The only place Zed is overpowered is...

Nausicäa ·Feb 22, 2015·8 votes·3,936 views

In the minds of people posting on this forum.

47% Solo queue win rate
Nowhere near 100% pick/ban in competitive (p/b is in the single digits in Korea, low in China, something like 25% in NA)
Ultimate is hard countered by Zhonya's, Exhaust, and QSS.

What is your evidence that hes overpowered?

You're too stubborn/bad to build Zhonya's, QSS or take Exhaust
You're bad and stay in lane with no HP against a level 6 Zed.
You're ignorant and think that Energy/cooldowns arent resources.

In short all relevant evidence points to him being balanced/in a good spot. If you think hes overpowered you're bad at this game and need to L2P so stop crying on the forums and get better at this game.

43 Comments

stuartk11Feb 22, 20155 votes

Honestly, my only problem with Zed is being able to waveclear so effectively and from a distance. His shurikens should work like Veigar's new Q, so that clearing waves wouldn't be so simple. He can be mobile and deal tons of damage to his target, but shouldn't be very effective at clearing minions to defend towers.

Also, feel I need to chime in something here. Zonya's and QSS do counter majority of abilities in the game. I know that Zed is quite reliant on his ultimate for assassination, but you should usually be building these items anyways (All mages should build Zonyas early anyways, and against Zed should consider building it first). Even considering that these items can be used counter a lot of champions, Zed's reliance on going deep and using his ultimate for most of his damage does mean it counters him harder.

ForgiveColourFeb 22, 20152 votes

Ahri Fizz Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Lissandra

much wave clear problem wow such mana

SouL1essFeb 22, 20152 votes

180 + 0.6*AP as a single waveclear spell is an effective waveclear?...

ForgiveColourFeb 22, 20152 votes

...

SouL1essFeb 23, 20152 votes

Because needing 300 AP to waveclear when Zed only need 60 bonus AD to clear a wave just as fast is great right...

With that said, you probably should have included thresh flay as one of the best waveclear spells in the game.

ForgiveColourFeb 23, 20152 votes

you basically just told me you don't even know what you are talking about. you just compared zed 3 ability to one ability of those ap champs. Did you know that you can press other buttons for mage too?

TheBestFalconFeb 22, 20154 votes

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In the minds of people posting on this forum.

win rate is not indicative of balance, especially very popular champions cough lee sin cough

Nowhere near 100% pick/ban in competitive (p/b is in the single digits in Korea, low in China, something like 25% in NA)

almost everyone is hard countered by Zhonya's, Exhaust, and QSS.

What is your evidence that hes overpowered?

You're forced to build Zhonya's, QSS or take Exhaust no matter how bad it fucks your build path while zed will rush his core every time

You're bad and stay in lane with 80% hp against a level 6 Zed.

I am ignorant and think that mana in its current state is not infinately more confining than energy atm and dont realize 99.9% of champions of cds .

In short all relevant evidence points to him being overbearing in lane with no clear weaknesses. If you think hes overpowered you're normal and I need to stop crying and get better at this game.

Here you go OP i re wrote this for you, my treat

Nausicäa Feb 22, 20151 votes

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Here you go OP i re wrote this for you, my treat

His winrate is consistent at all elos
I wouldnt qualify 13% as 'very popular'
47% means he loses more than he wins in solo queue. Meaning that if you're opponent picked Zed statisitically ou have a higher chance of winning than if your opponent had picked another champion

** 4. You completely failed to address the fact that he is not a priority pick in competitive play. Clearly the best players in the world dont think hes overpowered. I guess we should just take the word of the worst players (bronze zed whiners) and assume hes OP though right?.**

Clint OrrisFeb 23, 20154 votes

Guess what other champions zhonya, exhaust and QSS counter,

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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Guess what other champions zhonya, exhaust and QSS counter,

If you're honestly suggesting that all of those champions are hard counter in the same was as Zed you're either a total moron or utterly clueless.

You truly embody the utter ignorance of the average forum poster.

KeltulisFeb 23, 20151 votes

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If you're honestly suggesting that all of those champions are hard counter in the same was as Zed you're either a total moron or utterly clueless.

You truly embody the utter ignorance of the average forum poster.

Zhonyas does counter all if not a majority of champs. 2.5 second invulnerability gimps the enemy quite well ya know?

And you're guilty of a severe case of confirmation bias, generalizing an in-depth argument, and ad hominem.

At this point you are just playing King of the Hill by labeling opposition to your point as moronic, ignorant, and just stupid. Simply because it differs from yours. Although I have to say you have refuted some arguments quite well. Good.

But when faced with a undeniable, UNEQUIVOCAL fact (i.e., the person you replied to.) that is beyond reproach, you have to resort to personal attacks on a person's character, or in this case, mental capability.

That isn't cool bro.

I personally think Zed is indeed overpowered (Not in damage, nor in mobility, but in his safety issues, waveclear, and exceptional poke potential for an assassin) in the current meta but that is out of the purpose of this comment. I can continue the discussion with you in a civil manner if you want.

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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Zhonyas does counter all if not a majority of champs. 2.5 second invulnerability gimps the enemy quite well ya know?

And you're guilty of a severe case of confirmation bias, generalizing an in-depth argument, and ad hominem.

At this point you are just playing King of the Hill by labeling opposition to your point as moronic, ignorant, and just stupid. Simply because it differs from yours. Although I have to say you have refuted some arguments quite well. Good.

But when faced with a undeniable, UNEQUIVOCAL fact (i.e., the person you replied to.) that is beyond reproach, you have to resort to personal attacks on a person's character, or in this case, mental capability.

That isn't cool bro.

I personally think Zed is indeed overpowered (Not in damage, nor in mobility, but in his safety issues, waveclear, and exceptional poke potential for an assassin) in the current meta but that is out of the purpose of this comment. I can continue the discussion with you in a civil manner if you want.

Most of Zed's power is in his ult. You have a 3 second window to activate Zhonyas to completely negate his ult damage. You cannot say the same for the other 120+ champions in this game. Therefore the other 120+ champions are not hard countered in the same manner that Zed is by the item.

I will continue to appropriately chastised moronic comments born from total ignorance or refusal to accept basic facts.

KeltulisFeb 23, 20151 votes

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Most of Zed's power is in his ult. You have a 3 second window to activate Zhonyas to completely negate his ult damage. You cannot say the same for the other 120+ champions in this game. Therefore the other 120+ champions are not hard countered in the same manner that Zed is by the item.

I will continue to appropriately chastised moronic comments born from total ignorance or refusal to accept basic facts.

Late and mid game Zed with his % attack damage increase is more than enough to outduel most champions in League with the exception of dedicated duelists (i.e., Fiora, Jax, Tryndamere, etc. Which let be honest, are not very popular in the current meta) without his ultimate proc.

Zhonyas counters Zed's burst to a strong degree yes, but not as strong of a degree to someone... Let's say Talon. The item hurts the latter way more than the former.

If someone Zhonyas'ed Talon's combo which is ridiculously easy to do ever since his silence was removed, Talon becomes unable to fight back and is put in an unfavorable situation due to his lack of escape when committing to a kill.

Meanwhile Zed may still port back to his ultimate shadow, almost always ensuing a clean getaway, or choose to fight back with his lower cooldown, % AD enhanced basic abilities and % AD enhanced autos.

Zhonyas counters Zed stronger than the norm, but he nowhere near completely screwed-over unlike other champions. I can bring up further examples but I think I proved my point.

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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Late and mid game Zed with his % attack damage increase is more than enough to outduel most champions in League with the exception of dedicated duelists (i.e., Fiora, Jax, Tryndamere, etc. Which let be honest, are not very popular in the current meta) without his ultimate proc.

Ya no, Zed isnt going to 1v1 most champions with equal items without an ultimate, sorry.

Zhonyas counters Zed's burst to a strong degree yes, but not as strong of a degree to someone... Let's say Talon. The item hurts the latter way more than the former.

If someone Zhonyas'ed Talon's combo which is ridiculously easy to do ever since his silence was removed, Talon becomes unable to fight back and is put in an unfavorable situation due to his lack of escape when committing to a kill.

Except its not ridiculously easy. Because you have to predict when Talon is going to use his spells or otherwise have inhuman reaction time. The thing with Zed is that you have a whole 3 second window in which to Zhonya's perfectly telegraphed for you.

Meanwhile Zed may still port back to his ultimate shadow, almost always ensuing a clean getaway, or choose to fight back with his lower cooldown, % AD enhanced basic abilities and % AD enhanced autos.

Zhonyas counters Zed stronger than the norm, but he nowhere near completely screwed-over unlike other champions. I can bring up further examples but I think I proved my point.

So he can escape with his ult having not killed the target and losing all his kill potential? So an assassin that meant to kill other champions is completely denied his ability to do so, how exactly in your mind is this not significant or hard countering?

Grats he escaped, now he cant kill you but you most likely can kill him.

KeltulisFeb 27, 20151 votes

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Ya no, Zed isnt going to 1v1 most champions with equal items without an ultimate, sorry.

Except its not ridiculously easy. Because you have to predict when Talon is going to use his spells or otherwise have inhuman reaction time. The thing with Zed is that you have a whole 3 second window in which to Zhonya's perfectly telegraphed for you.

So he can escape with his ult having not killed the target and losing all his kill potential? So an assassin that meant to kill other champions is completely denied his ability to do so, how exactly in your mind is this not significant or hard countering?

Grats he escaped, now he cant kill you but you most likely can kill him.

Yeah... no. this is pointless.

I'm not even gonna try to sway you from your opinion anymore. Whole thing seems pointless. You think Zed is balanced? Fine.

But you don't have to force your opinion into the majority who disagree with your views.

ForgiveColourFeb 22, 20153 votes

they think zed is too safe...meanwhile they think ap champs like Ahri Fizz Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Lissandra item 3157 have risks

Sailor MintFeb 22, 20158 votes

Because this thread is trying to kill a circle jerk doesn't give you the right to try to spread yours.

Nausicäa Feb 22, 20151 votes

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Sailor MintFeb 22, 20153 votes

I'll assume that you're using Chronological view and can't see that my post is a reply to LangMo's post.

Nausicäa Feb 22, 20151 votes

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I'll assume that you're using Chronological view and can't see that my post is a reply to LangMo's post.

I am, my bad.

vIbvdOwbkoFeb 22, 20153 votes

Don't even take 95% of the people on these boards seriously.

They're so dumb and braindead that they just repeat dumb, pointless arguments like "two gapclosers and 200% bonus AD scaling!11!!"

It gets incessant really quickly and there's nothing to be gained by arguing with these guys. Monkey see, monkey do. And it's pretty hard trying to reason with a monkey.

Nausicäa Feb 22, 20151 votes

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Don't even take 95% of the people on these boards seriously.

They're so dumb and braindead that they just repeat dumb, pointless arguments like "two gapclosers and 200% bonus AD scaling!11!!"

It gets incessant really quickly and there's nothing to be gained by arguing with these guys. Monkey see, monkey do. And it's pretty hard trying to reason with a monkey.

You're absolutely correct.

IcyPepperFeb 22, 20152 votes

I see so many midlaners take ignite into lane against Zed... you do realize that exhaust lowers movement speed, attack speed, damage, AND defenses?

Why.

Nausicäa Feb 22, 20151 votes

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I see so many midlaners take ignite into lane against Zed... you do realize that exhaust lowers movement speed, attack speed, damage, AND defenses?

Why.

This.

OperationDEEZ1Feb 22, 20151 votes

Because Blind? And in Draft he's usually banned anyway.

IcyPepperFeb 22, 20151 votes

Blind, I can see yeah.

Though, it really gets me wondering sometimes. People are so, well, lonewolf in these games. Like, I'll see five people on one team with ignite (yes, I've seen this). I've seen an adc take barrier/ignite while his/er support take heal/exhaust.

It just gets me thinking that people don't realize that "selfish" summoner spells are less powerful than teamwork orientated ones. Say a team with ignite and a team with exhaust get into a teamfight at full health. The team with ignite can "tickle" their enemy with ignite for .1-.25 of their max health total (whether they use it for the kill, be dumb and use it at the beginning, or use it to limit healing is disregarded for this situation), while the team with exhaust can basically half the enemy's burst damage, lower their defenses and movement speed, and lower all sustained damage to a 1/3.

With this in mind, I say that exhaust... might be better than ignite.

But there's other spells. I see top laners use teleport to get into lane to farm (for the first time, yeah, but after that it gets...) but NEVER use it to join teamfights or help another lane, then blame the team when they never get kills or lose.

Heal is better than barrier in bot lane because it heals almost as much, heals two champions instead of one, the shield is temporary but the health stays if you're not hit, and gives a speed burst useful for that little extra range for a last hit kill.

Blah blah blah, team-orientated spells might be better than "selfish" spells designed for a single champion to benefit from.

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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Blind, I can see yeah.

Though, it really gets me wondering sometimes. People are so, well, lonewolf in these games. Like, I'll see five people on one team with ignite (yes, I've seen this). I've seen an adc take barrier/ignite while his/er support take heal/exhaust.

It just gets me thinking that people don't realize that "selfish" summoner spells are less powerful than teamwork orientated ones. Say a team with ignite and a team with exhaust get into a teamfight at full health. The team with ignite can "tickle" their enemy with ignite for .1-.25 of their max health total (whether they use it for the kill, be dumb and use it at the beginning, or use it to limit healing is disregarded for this situation), while the team with exhaust can basically half the enemy's burst damage, lower their defenses and movement speed, and lower all sustained damage to a 1/3.

With this in mind, I say that exhaust... might be better than ignite.

But there's other spells. I see top laners use teleport to get into lane to farm (for the first time, yeah, but after that it gets...) but NEVER use it to join teamfights or help another lane, then blame the team when they never get kills or lose.

Heal is better than barrier in bot lane because it heals almost as much, heals two champions instead of one, the shield is temporary but the health stays if you're not hit, and gives a speed burst useful for that little extra range for a last hit kill.

Blah blah blah, team-orientated spells might be better than "selfish" spells designed for a single champion to benefit from.

It depends. Its mostly situational but Ignite, Exhaust, Barrier and Heal all have their place in the game and are all viable in different situations.

There are cases where Ignite is the superior summoner spell. That being where you're playing an aggressive champion and you know you have a good chance of getting kills to snowball your lane and the game. This is better for 'skill match ups' or match ups you should win.

There are cases where Exhaust is superior. You're playing against a champion with huge all in burst and long cooldowns and you need the Exhaust to survive the match up and or nullify your opponents all in ability. This ability is better against melee champions for obvious reasons.

Barrier/heal. You're playing a long range champion or you're playing in a match up where you know your opponent can kill you. This is generally better against AP champions.

IcyPepperFeb 23, 20152 votes

True, very true. Exhaust isn't useful against Leblanc, for instance, if you're trying to kill her to snowball because she'll just hop away.

It just perplexes me that people choose the same spell over and over with little disregard to the matchup. It's ALWAYS ignite midlane, even when it's Zed or something.

And barrier on the adc is just selfish. Usually.

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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True, very true. Exhaust isn't useful against Leblanc, for instance, if you're trying to kill her to snowball because she'll just hop away.

It just perplexes me that people choose the same spell over and over with little disregard to the matchup. It's ALWAYS ignite midlane, even when it's Zed or something.

And barrier on the adc is just selfish. Usually.

Its because most people dont think for themselves and just copy what they see other players do. People are also just stubborn in their beliefs, they think they 'need' ignite for kills.

Ignite can certainly help you get a kill, it is by no means necessary to get a kill. Worse yet when you're in a situation where you're in a bad match up and UNLIKELY TO GET A KILL ANYWAY, ignite hurts you, as another summoner can help you survive, denying your opponent kills/gold and even perhaps baiting them into giving up a kill by trying to kill you.

For instance, its actually quite common for an opponent to get barrier baited, tower dive you when you're low only to get denied by the shield and die to the turret.

Sinister AnubisFeb 22, 20151 votes

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In the minds of people posting on this forum.

47% Solo queue win rate

Nowhere near 100% pick/ban in competitive (p/b is in the single digits in Korea, low in China, something like 25% in NA)

Ultimate is hard countered by Zhonya's, Exhaust, and QSS.

What is your evidence that hes overpowered?

You're too stubborn/bad to build Zhonya's, QSS or take Exhaust

You're bad and stay in lane with no HP against a level 6 Zed.

You're ignorant and think that Energy/cooldowns arent resources.

In short all relevant evidence points to him being balanced/in a good spot. If you think hes overpowered you're bad at this game and need to L2P so stop crying on the forums and get better at this game.

As much hate as you will get on this thread due to defending zed i do agree i dont have problems with zeds at all.

ZydinFeb 22, 20151 votes

The problem I have with Zed , is the game i have with LB and Fizz they can go in use their full combo and get out in a few seconds.

Fizz has his pole, only thing with this he uses it as a skill to go in quite often if he uses it he has no escape.

LB can use both her W and R to get in and out with the same cast of the spell.

Zed has the same problem that LB has. His ult gives him an easy way out by leaving the shadow behind.

Give LB a delay between when she can recast a skill and between when she casts a skill and can cast her ult..so much better

Have Zeds ult no long leave a shadow behind for an easy escape.

Nausicäa Feb 22, 20151 votes

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The problem I have with Zed , is the game i have with LB and Fizz they can go in use their full combo and get out in a few seconds.

Fizz has his pole, only thing with this he uses it as a skill to go in quite often if he uses it he has no escape.

LB can use both her W and R to get in and out with the same cast of the spell.

Zed has the same problem that LB has. His ult gives him an easy way out by leaving the shadow behind.

Give LB a delay between when she can recast a skill and between when she casts a skill and can cast her ult..so much better

Have Zeds ult no long leave a shadow behind for an easy escape.

How exactly does Zed have the same problem as LB?

Death Mark COOLDOWN: 120 / 100 / 80

Distortion COOLDOWN: 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10

Leblanc can dash in and drop half your HP multiples a minute. If Zed ults you and doesnt kill you his kill potential plummets and he cannot use it again for a long time.

Dont even try to compare Zeds W with leblancs harass combo. Leblancs combo does way more damage and is more reliable.

ZydinFeb 22, 20152 votes

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How exactly does Zed have the same problem as LB?

Death Mark COOLDOWN: 120 / 100 / 80

Distortion COOLDOWN: 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10

Leblanc can dash in and drop half your HP multiples a minute. If Zed ults you and doesnt kill you his kill potential plummets and he cannot use it again for a long time.

Dont even try to compare Zeds W with leblancs harass combo. Leblancs combo does way more damage and is more reliable.

I compared the fact that they both have really easy ways out when they go all in on someone. I never compared Zeds W with LeBlancs harass.

If you read and understood what I wrote you would know that What I am saying is that Fizz, LB, and Zed are all really safe when they go all in, and that LB and Zeds safety stems from the same thing, they have an ability that gives them a way in and out with out having to use a second skill or wait for any type of CD.

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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I compared the fact that they both have really easy ways out when they go all in on someone. I never compared Zeds W with LeBlancs harass.

If you read and understood what I wrote you would know that What I am saying is that Fizz, LB, and Zed are all really safe when they go all in, and that LB and Zeds safety stems from the same thing, they have an ability that gives them a way in and out with out having to use a second skill or wait for any type of CD.

Ok they can go in an out, so what?

You realize that for Zed to kill a full HP target the cant simply R then instantly R again. He has to attack the target for several seconds in most situations.

Do you know why he can do this? Because hes an assassin that specializes in killing a single other champion.

Zed is a melee champion who is also very squishy. He relies on burst and long cooldowns to kill targets.

Do you know what would happen to an assassin if they werent at least somewhat slippery?

They go in get a kill, die to the enemy team right after
They go in dont get the kill and die immediately after

Why would anyone play a kamikaze champion?

The point i was making is that Leblanc has repeated 'all in harass' that she can easily escape from every 10+ seconds

Zed can only all in you once every 1.5 minutes +. Zed is balanced because his 'all in' has a long cooldown. Without it all he can do is poke you for generally small amounts of damage.

ZydinFeb 23, 20152 votes

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Ok they can go in an out, so what?

You realize that for Zed to kill a full HP target the cant simply R then instantly R again. He has to attack the target for several seconds in most situations.

Do you know why he can do this? Because hes an assassin that specializes in killing a single other champion.

Zed is a melee champion who is also very squishy. He relies on burst and long cooldowns to kill targets.

Do you know what would happen to an assassin if they werent at least somewhat slippery?

They go in get a kill, die to the enemy team right after

They go in dont get the kill and die immediately after

Why would anyone play a kamikaze champion?

The point i was making is that Leblanc has repeated 'all in harass' that she can easily escape from every 10+ seconds

Zed can only all in you once every 1.5 minutes +. Zed is balanced because his 'all in' has a long cooldown. Without it all he can do is poke you for generally small amounts of damage.

Yes LB is more broken never denied that. Just saying that they can both go in and get out while using their full combo fairly safely.

Both are assassins, both burst down targets, both are super safe when doing so. Both can take a target from full health to 0 in a couple seconds and get out no problem.

They both need this safety reduced/removed.

Oh and zeds Q does 235 (+ 100% bonus AD) and being on a 6 sec CD from the start, and most Zeds build item 3071 or item 3142 this cuts it to 5.4 sec. This is a fairly good amount of damage on a low CD with no cost at all. He can spam it with out ever having to worry about running out of mana.

KeltulisFeb 23, 20151 votes

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How exactly does Zed have the same problem as LB?

Death Mark COOLDOWN: 120 / 100 / 80

Distortion COOLDOWN: 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10

Leblanc can dash in and drop half your HP multiples a minute. If Zed ults you and doesnt kill you his kill potential plummets and he cannot use it again for a long time.

Dont even try to compare Zeds W with leblancs harass combo. Leblancs combo does way more damage and is more reliable.

While this may be true applied to the skill floor of their harass combos (As I will admit, Leblanc's does take less skill than Zed's), what you said about the damage is NOT correct.

I will bring in the math if I have to, but Zed's combo actually deals more damage than Leblanc's. And don't forget Leblanc, after the mana regeneration gutting, often blows a good portion of her resource bar after trading with her opponent. But Zed's energy regenerates quickly and he can (and almost always will, even more reliably than Leblanc can harass, since his shurikens are AoE) restore his resource by hitting ANY target with two abilities.

I will get to your other points later as I don't exactly have the luxury of time right now.

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20151 votes

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While this may be true applied to the skill floor of their harass combos (As I will admit, Leblanc's does take less skill than Zed's), what you said about the damage is NOT correct.

I will bring in the math if I have to, but Zed's combo actually deals more damage than Leblanc's. And don't forget Leblanc, after the mana regeneration gutting, often blows a good portion of her resource bar after trading with her opponent. But Zed's energy regenerates quickly and he can (and almost always will, even more reliably than Leblanc can harass, since his shurikens are AoE) restore his resource by hitting ANY target with two abilities.

I will get to your other points later as I don't exactly have the luxury of time right now.

Leblanc players usually rushed DFG rather than Athenes or Morellos prior to the mana regen nerf so no, mana regen has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Leblancs combo is not dodgeable. Zeds combo is fully dodgeable.
Zeds, Q damage is reduced by 50% when passing through targets, so standing behind minions mitigates damage.
Leblancs ult costs 0 mana and has a trivial cooldown, so can be included in her harass combo. When u take this into consideration is clear that Leblancs harassment does significant more damage
Lets assume both champions are level 5 Zed can do 338 damage with +20 bonus AD at level 5 with a W Q E combo.

Leblanc can do 365 damage with +50 bonus AP at level 5 with JUST and Q W combo. This is not even including her E or the fact that she can also get off a free auto attack during this period, whereas Zed cannot.

So you're wrong, Leblanc's harassment does more damage then Zed AND is more reliable, as i previously stated.

Sciaphobia23Feb 22, 20151 votes

I main mid and Zed is still less of a problem to me than Akali.

I really don't see the problem.

Fizz however...

2000boxesFeb 23, 20151 votes

zed is balanced if you wanna win lane against zed just xerath yasuo syndra or azir any of these people can either out range zed or out damage him and in syndra's case both at the same time

DirewolfiezFeb 23, 20151 votes

Or, you know, people could have a problem with his near-manalessness and amazing waveclear that he gets to have while simultaneously giving up absolutely no damage or mobility in return.

FirancilFeb 23, 20151 votes

I'm K with Zed honestly. I mean I've played against some good and some shitty Zeds, my only issue with him is counter building against him. Lets say you're playing Talon against him and you decide to buy a item 3140 great, his ult is worthless, but now you have magic resist against an AD mid laner, not exactly useful, meaning the only item that lowers his overall damage on you while still stopping his ult is item 3157 , great, his ult does nothing and his skills do less damage thanks to the armour, oh wait, talon doesn't build AP so it's also useless to build on him.

If QSS had more options it would be great, playing against a Lissandra ? here's a QSS with magic resist, against Zed ? here's one that gives some armour. It could do what jungle items did, have 2 QSS items, one with armour and one with magic resist, then for a bit more gold you can enchant it to give AD/AP/HP, something like that to make it a better purchase overall.

WullfFeb 23, 20151 votes

Although I agree with you I kinda believe that his lasthitting is too easy, if you where to compare it to other champions. Does not make sense to me.

ZeeWolfZJan 14, 20161 votes

Exhaust doesn't counter 5.24 Zed. NO MID LANER counters Zed at this very patch. He has INSANE SAFE range and farm, free melt mode. Oh, Zhonya's? have fun putting 3.5k into defensive item while Zed already has 2 cheap items on you.