If you dodge in ARAM because of who you got, you completely missed the point of the game mode

JavelinJoe··20 votes·1,611 views

For 1, it s a fun game mode, not a competitive one. 2, (and while there are issues with it not pulling from the full champion pool) it is supposed to be random. You are not supposed to just only play the top 10 OPs. It is where you can have fun, try fun builds, or play champions you normally don't in ways you might never do in SR/Ranked.

The only exception is if it is like your second or third time in a row on the same champion. Then I can justify the reason for your dodge.

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grug8 votes

might as well dodge if you get a champ that you dont own because you can only get key fragments from owned champs.

JavelinJoe1 votes

But you only get chests at a 1 chest / champon rate, so wouldn't playing unowned champions would give you more chests overall than if you only played owned right?

grug5 votes

what? why on earth would i waste RP buying the randomed un-owned champ in champ select?

chests are unimportant when you've got 20 stacked up and they refresh every season so most people probably have more chests than they will ever be able to open without spending rp on keys.

i believe if people could get key frags without owning the champ then there would be less dodges.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

What possessed them to ever make that a thing in the first place? Why can't we get keys on champions we don't own? Especially in a random mode. Who thought that was a good idea? Why isn't this fixed yet?

Komoriri4 votes

For 1, it s a fun game mode, not a competitive one.

Not for me. It's a gamemode with a random component. I still try to win and I still do my best and most effective.

JavelinJoe3 votes

Yes, as most would in any game. When I said it was not a competitive game mode, I meant that there is no risk involved like losing LP, and that it is more acceptable to have fun and try things.

Ethan Allen3 votes

Maybe I don't want to play boring melees into multiple ranged champs. Makes you feel useless.

JavelinJoe2 votes

into multiple ranged champs.

How would you know until you are in the game?

Disulfiram1 votes

Probably because many others think the same way, so a multiple-ranged enemy team is pretty much guarenteed. This is imho a problem that won't be solved until it is fixed systematically, by for example having your assigned ARAM champion saved in your account and only rerolled when you win or lose any game (this way on the one hand dodging won't reroll it, but on the other hand you can just play a normal game if you don't have rerolls and absolutely don't want to be stuck with it)

JavelinJoe1 votes

So every game you have a pre-selected champion which you determin? And you can only play another champion by rerolling it? What if more than 1 player in the lobby chose the same champion? And that would kinda defeat the "random" part of the name.

Disulfiram1 votes

No. Explanation: you enter ARAM. You are assigned 1 random champion. You have to play one game; until you do, your champion won't change. If you dodge, you'll still get that same champion. If you truly absolutely don't want to play the random champion you were assigned in ARAM and don't have rerolls left, then just play a normal game (with wathever champ you prefer).

Scary Door2 votes

Hey, that's cool.

I'll get Lux, I'll dodge, I'll wait to get a team comp of all ARAM friendly champs and then stomp the other team.

You come up with a system, I'll come up with a way around it.

OR... MAYBE... we could just keep what exists now.

I'm not going to play melee (with a couple of exceptions) in ARAM, it's as simple as that.

Disulfiram1 votes

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Hey, that's cool.

I'll get Lux, I'll dodge, I'll wait to get a team comp of all ARAM friendly champs and then stomp the other team.

You come up with a system, I'll come up with a way around it.

Ok, let's play. ><

Mmm... alright, in addition to the above change, matchmaking takes in consideration champion's winrates with each other.

Explanation: out of the 10 players selected for the game, 4 had been assigned Ziggs, Lux, Jayce, and Zyra. The game knows they do well in ARAM with each other, so it places 2 of these players in a team and 2 in the other one.

(Since this would alter these same winrates after some time, the system could apply an ELO system to champions, - which means something similar to what Ranked is for players but without promos)

Scary Door1 votes

... and congratulations you have just increased queue times significantly. Additionally, the amount of man hours required to program such a convoluted system would be extensive and I would suspect buggy.

Of course, which group of people is more likely to be affected by the above? Is it individuals like me? The ones that circumvent your system by dodging with good champs and forming a super team? Or is it the casuals that would just like to play the game but now queue times are dramatically increased? Spoiler alert: It would ruin it for everyone. So you see? No beuno.

Disulfiram1 votes

... that's not what I wrote. The idea is: 10 people are selected the way they are now. Then, AFTER the matchmaking system found 10 suitable players, it assigns them to each team. How could it increase queue times? It's just rearranging the players it found using the current system!

JavelinJoe2 votes

Ah I see. I would make one change where if you dodge, you get a new champion, but it is one which you have a low mastery score on or one which you do not own. That way you at least dont get "stuck" all day and forced to play x champion, you get to play a likely worse one who you have no experience with.

That, or every additional RR after the free ones costs something like 300 IP.

Disulfiram1 votes

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That, or every additional RR after the free ones costs something like 300 IP.

Good idea!

GamblerOfLives2 votes

so..am i supposed to play a champion i don't like, just because it's a different game mode??? how is it fun for me, if i can't enjoy the game? If i dodge, i do it on my own account, not yours..i suffer the consequence of time penalty ques..not you:)

JavelinJoe3 votes

so..am i supposed to play a champion i don't like

Why did you get them then?

Valderis Vandala1 votes

Maybe he didn't? Maybe its the free rotation? Or maybe he regrets buying certain champions but has no way to get rid of them.

JavelinJoe1 votes

while that is sometimes the case, you have 3 refunds. And if you used them already, then reroll. Also, if your team has good champions who could help you out or even carry you, then the game likely would end quickly too and you might have fun. You also can do unusual/off-meta builds if you wanted to, such as AD Janna, attack speed Lulu, and full crit Garen.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

Lol yeah cus Riots refund system isn't utter garbage right? Fuck Riot's 3 shitty refunds, that is no way to manage your champions and account. They really need to separate the stuff you buy and refund with RP from the IP stuff, once they fix that they can give as many refunds for IP as we want/need without it affecting their profits.

Oh and the reroll system is also so wonderful. Who's bright idea was it to make that stuff rechargeable over how many games you play and how many champions you have? All we do with rerolls is hoard them until we really need them, when we have no other alternative then to reroll. And if that doesn't work, well, I hate seeing people dodge games, but I can't pretend to not understand or sympathize to some degree. If they just made 2 rerolls per match the standard we wouldn't have to deal with nearly as much of their shit as we do now.

But even if you've made an aram account you still end up with shit from the weekly rotation, there is just no getting around Riot's idiocy. Dodging is the only thing that "works". Not that I'm defending or endorsing that behavior, dodge-ing sucks for all involved and it should never be done. Not like they could implement some limited form of white/black listing of champions or just give us the option to turn off the rotation.

You know damn well Riot could solve most dodging problems if they wanted to. Riot just needs to update their bullshit and fix this stuff, once they have the new client finished they'll have no excuse not to.

None of this stuff has anything to do with off-meta builds, why would you even mention that?

EDIT:

Why did you even ask why he bought his champions? As if that matters any. What you should have pointed out is that he as the one who dodged a game isn't the only one affected by it. All people involved wasted their time, who cares that he was the only one who got a penalty, penalties aren't the problem people have with dodgers.

Bisaknosp1 votes

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Maybe he didn't? Maybe its the free rotation? Or maybe he regrets buying certain champions but has no way to get rid of them.

Aatrox DrMundo Draven Ekko Galio Fizz Garen Gragas Illaoi Kalista Kennen LeeSin Malphite Mordekaiser Nasus Nocturne Nunu Olaf Rammus RekSai Renekton Rengar Ryze Shen Singed Skarner TahmKench Talon Tryndamere Udyr Urgot Volibear MonkeyKing Yasuo Zed Zilean

i dont have any fun playing one of these champs impossible for me

JavelinJoe1 votes

Try full AP Nasus Malphite Nunu Galio. It is so much fun to just delete champions with 1 combo.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

And you are sharing that with me why? XD

Is there a point to your post?

Dokkaebi2 votes

Have you ever tried to get in to a game fast and then someone dodges 4 times in a row?

Çhåryzård1 votes

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so..am i supposed to play a champion i don't like, just because it's a different game mode??? how is it fun for me, if i can't enjoy the game? If i dodge, i do it on my own account, not yours..i suffer the consequence of time penalty ques..not you:)

If you don't want to play someone you don't like then why the hell are you playing a gamemode that picks your champion at random

Like OP said, you're missing the point

Lauchmelder2 votes

Offtopic: I'm actually considering making a seperate ARAM account where I only buy Marksmen.

It's great kiting and teamfighting practice.

PlsCheckThisBush1 votes

Posting as someone that mainly plays ARAM's nowadays. I'm usually matched with (https://na.whatismymmr.com/plscheckthisbush) anywhere from Platinum -> Challenger players (got to play against GCU's Rikara on Fizz, was hilarious and fun!: http://imgur.com/a/eCzbq ), and the amount of dodges I encounter on a daily basis is rather confusing, mainly because there's so much freedom to play off-meta builds and have a gold income that would otherwise be very difficult to achieve. But that's the fun of it - facing teams of exclusively Lux/Sona/Morgana/Caitlyn/Nautilus every game sure isn't super fun, and neither is sitting in queue for >20 minutes while the guy that got Urgot dodges 15 times and relogs into his other "perfect ARAM accounts" to dodge again. I'd much rather have 5 melee vs. 5 melee brawling it out in the middle of the map.

I don't own Varus, Lux, Sona, Caitlyn, Zyra, or many other incredibly common ARAM champion simply because they are very boring to see and turn the game into a one-sided match rather quickly. With that being said, however, I find that these champions are nearly always in a game, and tend to boast some of the highest winrates around. I'm always VERY excited to see 2 teams actually fighting and defending one another making the best of what they have. We have 5 AD Champions? Looks like I'm going AP Rammus full Sonic mode into their team. We have 5 AP Champions? Sick, AD Annie looks fun to try.

The ONLY time I ever dodge is if something pressing immediately comes up in real life during champion select (has only happened once over many years of playing) or (as OP has said) playing the same champion several times in a row - and even then it's extremely rare, as I'll likely have a reroll or can trade with someone. I'd imagine I dodge a total of 1-3 times a month at most, usually when I'm burnt out of playing said champion over and over. I don't mind playing Rek'Sai a few times, as she will always be my main and best grill/bae, but after 3-4 games in a row I'd like to try my hand at something a tad more mechanical. I don't want to play Sona 10 games in a row and pubstomp the enemy team into pulp rolling my face across my keyboard and building 6 tears because I can, that's just boring and counterproductive to the game mode. I'd much rather play Tank Janna and spam "AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A HARMLESS BREEZE" as I dive into the enemy team. That's much more fun.

In short, I feel that while the ARAM penalties are already much steeper than Summoner's Rift (15 minutes 1st dodge, 30? for the 2nd, no idea after that) I don't think the lack of "you have to be a team player at some point" is enforced. I believe the problem is compounded by ARAM-only accounts playing only the top champions for the mode.

Hopefully, in the future, Riot will implement something of the nature of "keep X champion until you play it" for ARAMs, or unlocking a larger champion pool for the player-base while limiting the ability for players to relog to their umpteenth account for 30 minutes to only play "OP Champions." The only problem I see with this is players who tend to play together in ARAM could create accounts with only ARAM-based champions, and dodge specifically when they have a great champion just to hold onto it and stack their teams in the future with others that do the same. Also, this would be very awkward for 2 people who dodged while both having, say, Urgot. At that point I'm not sure how the priority would go to who gets the free reroll, however I'm sure they could have some sort of matchmaking protection against placing those players together - although that would likely require a moderate-to-large amount of resources devoted to only coding it, and I don't believe ARAM's are as high priority as their main map/mode - Summoner's Rift.

Raoul1 votes

Dude, we talk about the community where ARAM accounts are a thing... (Accounts where they only unlock champions that are OP in ARAM)

KoggyStyle1 votes

i get really tired of tank streaks.

desertcroc1 votes

I thought ARAM was practice for teamfighting?

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

but i thought free ip, keys, and masteries were the point of aram?

hhaavviikk1 votes

the real problem is ARAM accounts, when facing the top OP champions in ARAM so very often due to ARAM account I don't feel like playing some bad champion in ARAM because if I'm facing ARAM accounts I will not be able to even have any fun

Knoyle1 votes

I got Riven and my friends said I can dodge. I replied with a build leading to this

Riven item 3143 item 3065 item 3047 item 3742 item 3068 item 3053

Never underestimate the power of my Raid Boss Riven Support

I have NEVER played Riven in a real game before this.

warpenguin5551 votes

Unless it's singed. I hate him in every mode XD

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