Pushing it back a minute farther into the game just IMMEDIATELY revived a bunch of top lanes who couldn't deal with having to have level 1 priority and fell out of playability for it. Now they're good to strong again, jungle isn't crawling up my butt at level 2 near as often, and top lane is already feeling way less stifling
Bless you, Riot, you done good
jordon123439 votesI like the change. However can the jungle get a fucking exp buff, we are legit 2 lvls under all the laners by the time im say lvl 5 mid and top are lvl 7. its frustrating as fuck to play jungle.
Sir Saltarin5 votesNo more Junglers ganking at lvl 6 while we are lvl 5 down there on Botlane feelsgoodman
Jng nerfs have been the best decision Riot has done this season
BigFBear1 votesThat nerfs were just a needed but ugly option until they find a better way to prevent lvl 2/3 ganks.
Now they found a smarter way to achieve this goal so they can actually revert at least the last nerf because jungling feels very odd right now until lvl 9-10 (that's the time you catch up to the rest of the team).
Sir Saltarin3 votesNah, keep it like this better.
BigFBear5 votesbetter for who?
Maybe it is better for you as laner. But if we go that way i could say: Pls gut all roles to the ground except junglers so i can dominate. is it helpfull? no?
Have fun with long queues and autofilled junglers because no one wants to play this role anymore if they continue like that.
Sir Saltarin3 votesI have to be honest, the last thing that I saw last year on the Boards when my mains were gutted was any kind of empathy.
We were told to shut and adapt, well, now who's laughing.
SuperTopLFBottom3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4PUJwgd7,comment-id=000500000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-03T08:22:14.255+0000)
I have to be honest, the last thing that I saw last year on the Boards when my mains were gutted was any kind of empathy.
We were told to shut and adapt, well, now who's laughing.
U mean just like the entirety of reddit adc mains when bruisers were unplayable for over a year? And i mean actually unplayable not the adc kind of unplayable were adcs were still the best class in their position with sometimes a vlad played here and there?
I remember very well the "meta changes get used to it or find a new game". "adapt or die". That was just payback and honestly should have been expected by u guys. Unfortunately adcs are back again.
Sir Saltarin1 votesAh yeah, I also remember how bruisers were actually unplayable when 
where the best toplaners
Doozku2 votesGP barely qualifies as a brusier, leaving Camille as the ONLY viable bruiser at the time because she was one the few that actually had a good keystone for her (comet).
Moody P2 voteswasn't Camille a jungler in preseason 8?
GP is pretty far removed from anything resembling a standard fighter
Saevum2 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4PUJwgd7,comment-id=000500000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-03T15:20:09.422+0000)
wasn't Camille a jungler in preseason 8?
GP is pretty far removed from anything resembling a standard fighter
Both statements are correct. And no Camille victorious skin btw.
Abibyama II1 votesNo in preseason 8 she maxed w and spammed comet+scorch
Poke were insane back then
Haze972 votes[deleted]
Sir Saltarin1 votesWe live on a society
AlstonxIg7 votesWhat game are you playing lad? Cause it sure aint league of legends
Ephixus2 votesI like the change. However can the jungle get a fucking exp buff, we are legit 2 lvls under all the laners by the time im say lvl 5 mid and top are lvl 7. its frustrating as fuck to play jungle.
Exactly, no matter how hard I am farming, I can't get higher than 2 levels behind this is fking stupid.
Mártir4 votesWell, just like us (Supports). So I dont see where's the problem.
hewhodoesnotcare18 votesJunglers are having too much of an impact? Nerf xp
Junglers are having no impact in game and farming only? Nerf xp
Junglers existing in league? Nerf xp
Phreaktastic8 votesNext few patches will be making jungle creeps just visual. Sitting in the jungle grants a predetermined amount of XP and gold. Leaving the jungle gives you a 10 second debuff preventing you from dealing damage. Typing /highfive to a team mate while in their lane gives them 50g, 1 minute cooldown. Losing a ranked game now calculates all LP loss and applies 80% of the loss directly to the jungler. 20% is divvied between the rest of the team.
Balance.
Ekitaih17 votesI agree that it's better for lanes, however it's worse for jungle.
Ragnaveil4 votesHonestly its a start. Considering Jatt made the scuttle changes is a good thing, and since he's seen the pro and casual side of jungle, I have alot of faith he might not only be able to fix Jungle, but fix toplane soon after.
Abibyama II14 votesWe're all struggling to carry our silver team meanwhile Jatt is carrying his silver balance team
Ekitaih3 votesHonestly its a start. Considering Jatt made the scuttle changes is a good thing, and since he's seen the pro and casual side of jungle, I have alot of faith he might not only be able to fix Jungle, but fix toplane soon after.
It's just disheartening to get nerfed so much. I know they didn't intend on it being a nerf, but it was. That, coupled with the deleting of Hunter's potion, nerfed jg quite a bit. I don't really feel as if changing scuttle timer really changed anything much either.
14daysuspensionk2 votesIt's just disheartening to get nerfed so much. I know they didn't intend on it being a nerf, but it was. That, coupled with the deleting of Hunter's potion, nerfed jg quite a bit. I don't really feel as if changing scuttle timer really changed anything much either.
Hunters potion got deleted? RIP.
Karunamon1 votesIt's just disheartening to get nerfed so much. I know they didn't intend on it being a nerf, but it was. That, coupled with the deleting of Hunter's potion, nerfed jg quite a bit. I don't really feel as if changing scuttle timer really changed anything much either.
Nobody used hunter's. That's why it was removed.
Ekitaih1 votesNobody used hunter's. That's why it was removed.
Statistically, it was a pretty unused item. I think it was a decent situational item. I used it when I was behind. It was in none of my must builds, but if I needed to stay healthier to avoid getting smacked in my jungle, it was nice to have, honestly. People used it though.
Raven Redeemed1 votesHow so? The way I understand it, it's only better. You don't have to be a good lvl 2 fighter to contest anymore and you get more gold and xp since the scuttle will be a higher lvl by the time you take it.
Moonscourge15 votesIt's so much nicer to not be forced into a 1v1 with early game junglers right after clearing your second camp. Scuttle fights were annoying and often had clear winners in champion select.
14daysuspensionk1 votesIt's so much nicer to not be forced into a 1v1 with early game junglers right after clearing your second camp. Scuttle fights were annoying and often had clear winners in champion select.
I miss those days, got lots of first bloods from competing the enemy jungler.
NaughtyWord1 votesIt's so much nicer to not be forced into a 1v1 with early game junglers right after clearing your second camp. Scuttle fights were annoying and often had clear winners in champion select.
This.
Level 2 pit fights over a crab was one of the experience of jungling that made it miserable. I'm glad they put that foolishness aside.
Haze971 votesForget the crab if you're up against an Udyr/Warwick.
Ambitious Minnow1 votesForget the crab if you're up against an Udyr/Warwick.
Now maybe. WW main, I almost consistently take both scuttles now that I get level 3 before them. I'm still behind the lanes by two levels till 10-ish, only catch up on successful ganks. Before, WW had to go level 2 fight to contest the first scuttle, it was the only real chance the other jgs had. At the beginning of this patch I spiked to 70% win rate because I play cg every game. Went up two divisions. Not because I carried all the games though, but because I sabotaged the jg out of those games completely. Dirty shit, not the same. Each of those games end in people harrassing the ever loving shit out of the enemy jg, having no clue it's because they never roam in the first place in silver. So sure I win, but game takes another stupid hit.
GodlyBane9 votesno xp compensation tho XDDDDDDDD
BlGFISH7 votesAs a jungler my early impressions are positive. It seems like a great change so far, having access to all 3 abilities for scuttle is nice. If you are finding yourself underleveled to your laners by more than a level you messed up somewhere. The only instance of being 2 levels under would be if you are close to hitting a level and your teammate just hit a level (for example you are lvl 4 95% and your mid/top just hit 6.
It bring out some interesting pathing options and brings back a lot of different junglers.
I just wish laners could play smarter around enemy jungler and their own jungler and not dying for nothing (but that's another issue with no end in sight)
The thigh guy4 votesAs a jungler my early impressions are positive. It seems like a great change so far, having access to all 3 abilities for scuttle is nice. If you are finding yourself underleveled to your laners by more than a level you messed up somewhere. The only instance of being 2 levels under would be if you are close to hitting a level and your teammate just hit a level (for example you are lvl 4 95% and your mid/top just hit 6.
It bring out some interesting pathing options and brings back a lot of different junglers.
I just wish laners could play smarter around enemy jungler and their own jungler and not dying for nothing (but that's another issue with no end in sight)
If you aren’t atleast 2 levels behind all your laners now as a jungler, you must be invading constantly. Because jungle xp is fucked.
Hethalean6 votesI agree even though I'm seeing a lot of whining posts referencing IWD or whatever how it's a dumb jungle nerf. lol
I agree with Scarra's analysis on this change.
Wolvahulk1 votesI agree even though I'm seeing a lot of whining posts referencing IWD or whatever how it's a dumb jungle nerf. lol
I agree with Scarra's analysis on this change.
Wait how is it a jungle nerf ? All it does is make late game junglers a bit safer when trying to get scuttler and makes early junglers like rek sai less safe since the other mid to late game champ actually has a fighting chance now. The only dumb change I see is the removal of the Hunters Potion which will make some niche jungle picks much less viable :/
Hethalean2 votesI'm not entirely sure, but my estimate is they see as pushing back the timer spawn for Scuttle as less camps available for taking thus less gold and experience because you have to wait.
Not entirely sure.
Raven Redeemed1 votesThere is in fact more gold and xp (if I understand it correctly). There still the same number of camps but you’re taking scuttle at a different point in your clear rotation; and since that point is later in the game, you get more gold and xp since the scutttle will have a higher level when you take it.
OMGSoAnnoying2 votesIt's not, tho. Because of the way jg monsters scale after the most recent nerf, the first scuttles are basically the same gold and exp. The whole map would need to gain two levels in 1:15. If the exp and gold do go up, it's by less than five.
Ifneth1 votesEven a 0 gold and XP buff would not be a nerf—just getting the same as before. The concern was that junglers would lose out.
OMGSoAnnoying2 votesBut they do. Just instead of the fight being at scuttle, it's now at the non-leashed buff. If your jg loses that buff and dies, they are boned. Now down levels and losing both scuttles (first will be taken while they are dead unless somehow the lanes respond, second they cannot contest), chances are your jg is still level two to enemy level four, and thus is now out of the game for 5-10 mins while they try to catch up, if they ever can because now they're under constant invade and tracked hard.
IP Masquerena2 votesEver heard of vertical jungling?
If they take your blue, you take their's, not too complicated you know, just requires one good ward.
BigFBear5 votesYeah i was lvl 2 ganking with Voli almost every game. Now its way harder because i will fuck my own route or go oom when i start red -> lvl 2 gank.
But i think with this change we could have our EXP nerf reverted. Often i am lvl 4 when mid/top is lvl 6.
iTaLenTZ2 votesAnd the obvious only took how many months?
Jennifer4202 votesthis is really interesting.
top and midlaners: finally i dont have to leave my lane at 2.10 to help for crab junglers: well this sucks gotta reroute again and hope team helps at 3.15
