Don't steal ward gold from your support

SnugglePuggle94·Sep 24, 2018·7 votes·3,016 views

This ticks me off time and time again. Not only if I'm just playing support, it happens with any role but especially when I play support- I'm clearing a pink ward, and I had been there clearing it for almost the whole time- 3 slots, and someone comes in behind me and takes it.

Like wtf?! That was mine, you ****. Supports are already at a gold disadvantage, so let them have that freaking 30 gold. You all can make it up in one minion wave for pete's sake.

Ugh. Don't steal stuff from people who clearly were there way before you and were about to get it for themselves. It's called being a sportsman like player. Sheesh.

[sg-shisa]

58 Comments

Quiet DudeSep 24, 20186 votes

Eyeball collection

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

Don't care. You can get your stacks doing it yourself on wards that your support is not trying to get at the time.

Sheesh.

Quiet DudeSep 24, 20186 votes

Good, I dont care either, I take eyeballs where I can get them

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

That makes you unsportsmanlike player. Be respectful of your teammates for pete's sake.

Quiet DudeSep 24, 20183 votes

I only need 20 eyeballs mang, then you can have all the wards you like

SwiftKitten88Sep 24, 20182 votes

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Eyeball collection

you only need the assist on the ward for "eyeball collection"

OleandervineSep 24, 20186 votes

I think if you use a sweeper to reveal a stealth ward, you get credit for the ward kill no matter who kills it - I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure this is the case. As for control wards, everyone can see them, so I consider them fair game.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

Again, if a teammate like a gold deprived support is ALREADY going for it, don't fucking steal it from them.

If you're all alone, then by all means get it but don't steal it from others.

OleandervineSep 24, 20185 votes

Ehh, denying the enemy team vision as quickly as possible so you can re-establish your own vision is a lot more important than 30g, in my eyes. Vision can make or break plays, so controlling it is immensely powerful for the game. I'm willing to not get upset that my ADC helps me kill a control ward in a timely manner for this reason.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20182 votes

If a 5 man team is barreling towards you then by all means let the team help you clear it but if you have time, and no one is near you, then don't fucking steal it from someone.

OleandervineSep 24, 20182 votes

All it takes is one jungler or a roaming mid laner bum-rushing you from the fog of war to ruin your day, and they can show up at any time, even if you think you're alone and have time. I still stand beside removing them as fast as possible, no matter the circumstances.

DearPearSep 24, 20183 votes

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Again, if a teammate like a gold deprived support

That's the thing. Supports function well without gold. No matter where the gold comes from it's better off feeding the carries. I don't get that "ward golds go to supports" kind of rule. That's plain dumb.

SaezioSep 24, 20184 votes

You do understand that gold is gold no matter it's origin? Carries scale better with gold, if you are a good support you surely understand that you need to let the carry get the last hit.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

Like I said, they can make it up in the tons of minion waves they will get after. Let the fucking support get a little gold when they can. Holy cow.

SaezioSep 24, 20186 votes

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Like I said, they can make it up in the tons of minion waves they will get after. Let the fucking support get a little gold when they can. Holy cow.

WHY? It is sub-optimal to let the support get the gold, check in pro games, supports get the first couple hits and wait for the adc to last hit. I am a support main and I want my carry to get as much gold as they can. You should even ping your carries to come take the last hit

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

I don't care about the stupid pro games. Carries get enough gold already. Supports don't and if supports get even more behind than they already are, they can't do squat to "support."

So let them get a mere 30 gold every once and awhile. Carries won't miss it, and you're still helping the team out no matter what.

SaezioSep 24, 20183 votes

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I don't care about the stupid pro games. Carries get enough gold already. Supports don't and if supports get even more behind than they already are, they can't do squat to "support."

So let them get a mere 30 gold every once and awhile. Carries won't miss it, and you're still helping the team out no matter what.

By your logic supports should get some CS too from the adc now and then. Like one per wave/2 waves. It makes no sense

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20181 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

No. Stop assuming things for the love of God.

I am saying 1-2 control wards max out of a game, let the fucking support take them. Carries, especially if the game gets to late game, already get over 100 cs and even more, along with kill gold as well so they get plenty.

Nowhere in my "logic" suggests that supports should take cs from the fucking adc too. Sheesh.

Rathar DashingSep 24, 20181 votes

Nowhere in my "logic" suggests that supports should take cs from the fucking adc too. Sheesh. ...

So let them get a mere 30 gold every once and awhile. Carries won't miss it, and you're still helping the team out no matter what.

If a carry wouldn't miss 30 gold, why should he miss 21 gold? or 14 gold even? After all, he'll make up for it with his 99 cs, right?

ForFoxSakesSep 24, 20184 votes

Not what I thought the post was about when I read the title. If you're crying about the gold for killing a ward it should realistically go to your carries.

"Stealing" gold from supports really only applies to:

Spamming abilities to last hit that cannon minion when their relic shield charge is up
Spamming abilities to full clear last hit a wave when multiple relic shield charges are up
When the person clearing the ward is also the same person who revealed the ward with a sweeper or pink (both killer and revealer get full credit)

Most of the time for strict ward clearing a support hits it twice and ADC hits it twice then you give it to the ADC

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20184 votes

Sorry but no. ADCs get enough gold already. I'm talking about when a support is ALL ALONE, no adc anywhere close, then a freaking jungler or other teammate comes up from behind and last hits it.

If someone is there first, don't steal it. I don't care about the fucking "carries need it more." Supports are a vital position and they need it too.

ForFoxSakesSep 24, 20183 votes

Supports need gold THE LEAST. All theyre really there for most of the time is for their innate abilities for CC, and vision. Even if they're 3 levels behind everyone else it's not a big deal because they dont use items to scale, theyre there to SUPPORT, where all other roles need the gold more to scale and carry.

I'm a support secondary so it's not just support hate. I always give gold to the ones tho can carry. Supports are the LEAST gold vital position and you also have a gold gen item to keep up where other positions dont. If you're crying about lack of gold then keep using your gold gen item to proc by staying by someone to support

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

Wrong. They need gold as much as anyone else. Some games are even won by a support's help.

Other players can catch up on gold quickly with one minion wave or jungle clear so let the fucking support get the gold when they can.

ForFoxSakesSep 24, 20185 votes

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SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20182 votes

Wow. You're bringing elo shaming into my post. Reported.

I'm not implying the supports needs ALL the fucking gold. But to just let them take a fucking ward every once and awhile. They already are behind enough.

I'm not even replying to any of the other stuff in there. You are just assuming things at this point now.

Not worth it. Good bye.

SaezioSep 24, 20183 votes

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Wow. You're bringing elo shaming into my post. Reported.

I'm not implying the supports needs ALL the fucking gold. But to just let them take a fucking ward every once and awhile. They already are behind enough.

I'm not even replying to any of the other stuff in there. You are just assuming things at this point now.

Not worth it. Good bye.

If you are behind the enemy support in gold it is either because your whole team is behind, thus funneling more gold onto your carry is way more likely to get you on even footing with the enemy team, or because the enemy support stole kills which means they are already playing suboptimaly and you should not try to follow their lead.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20182 votes

Supports are always behind no matter what.

I never try to take a kill if I can help it. And if the team is behind, that makes supports even more behind. One control ward doesn't make much of a difference in the carries game.

SaezioSep 24, 20181 votes

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Supports are always behind no matter what.

I never try to take a kill if I can help it. And if the team is behind, that makes supports even more behind. One control ward doesn't make much of a difference in the carries game.

You need to judge if you are behind compared to the enemy support. That is what I am saying. You can't compare your gold to your carry's gold. When the carry is struggling to get his spike to be relevant that 30 gold now and then makes them have a preferable back timing which in turn makes them miss less cs when they back because the wave will be in a better place. By all means if you need like 100g to get your redemption/solari/zeke's completed you should of course tell them that and that they should let you take the gold. But when you kill lets say 10 wards per laning phase that is almost a whole kill worth of gold. Gold is gold no matter where it comes from, when you are near an item threshold that will be impactfull even as a support sometimes you need to get some CS (better if you ping that you need the gold for X item). If you just want to get the 30 gold from the ward kill because you are a support it comes out as entitled. Same way when someone needs a bit gold to finish an item you just take a jungle camp and jungler won't be mad.

Pika FoxSep 24, 20185 votes

Support gets ward gold. End of discussion. Take the ward gold, ill gladly take lane farm.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20183 votes

Thank you. At least someone agrees and doesn't go on a rude tangent of replies.

SaezioSep 24, 20185 votes

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Thank you. At least someone agrees and doesn't go on a rude tangent of replies.

I like how you rate responses based on how much they agree with you no matter if they had 0 arguments over the matter, while you dismiss perfectly reasoned answers that happen to disagree with you. How are my answers rude?

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20181 votes

Because people like you are attacking me for my opinion and assuming things that aren't true either. I'm just asking for people not to fucking steal ONE control ward or so from a support.

SaezioSep 24, 20184 votes

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Because people like you are attacking me for my opinion and assuming things that aren't true either. I'm just asking for people not to fucking steal ONE control ward or so from a support.

Please tell me where I attacked you and I will sincerely apologize. I did not mean to offend you in any way. I was trying to provide my opinion on the topic of who should get the gold in a respectful way. Sorry for wasting your time mate. Cheers

ForFoxSakesSep 24, 20181 votes

You disagreed with his opinion while using facts, therefore to him that's offensive lul

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20181 votes

Not all of them were true. Be nice.

Rathar DashingSep 24, 20181 votes

Oh, how dare someone reply to a boards post. Simply unwarranted.

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20181 votes

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Fízz v2Sep 24, 20181 votes

then id gladly take the loss and int tbh LUL

Sir PrepuziusSep 24, 20183 votes

for me it's not that big of a issue, the problem is when they won't let you last hit a cannon when relic is up.. feelsbad or when you're farming scuttle mid/late game and someone comes from behind and ..puff

that's why i like to go pyke and go on a killstealing rampage! damn that's fun

SnugglePuggle94Sep 24, 20182 votes

Yea that cannon relic thing is annoying. Most of my ADCs don't do that, at least they didn't mean too so I don't get upset about it.

I don't like ksing either. Very rude.

Plat HardstuckXDSep 24, 20183 votes

When i play support i dont even care. I actually ready the ward to be taken by the ADC cause i want them to hit their spike early even if its only little amount of gold for them.

saltranSep 24, 20183 votes

Supports are already at a gold disadvantage, so let them have that freaking 30 gold. You all can make it up in one minion wave for pete's sake.

Why are supps the only role that doesn't get a resource income (a lane or jng)?

Because it's more optimal to give the resources to the carries, just that, it's not hate to the supps, I only play rankeds when I have my buddy supp to cover my back and I love him (half homo).

But we'll try to do our best to win, that means that I will get all the gold and resources for myself as I can.

FOR JUSTICESep 24, 20182 votes

imho, its best to just give it up anyway. sure as carries they get more gold then you, but funneling to the carry is the best strat.

and even then, its worth 30g, a tank support can make that up while the ADC farms out the wave with a targons stack (thats like, only 2 minions or 1 cannon), and an enchanter by simply landing a skillshot

ergo, no matter if they steal it or not, it doesnt exactly matter now does it?

seasaltcakeSep 24, 20181 votes

And then the adc uses an ability AND an auto to secure canon despite you walking towards it.

SaezioSep 24, 20181 votes

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And then the adc uses an ability AND an auto to secure canon despite you walking towards it.

just ping OMW on the creep to show the ADC what you are doing

SwiftKitten88Sep 24, 20181 votes

also this isn't the biggest issue i have.. the BIGGESt issue i have is when i back my ADC pushes the wave for solo exp and when i get there they freeze.

I'm like DUDE I'M LVL 4 AND YOUR LVL 7 CAN U FUCKING STOP THAT SHIT.

THIER BOTH LVL 6 THERE GOING TO WIN EVERY FUCKING FIGHT NOW.

sarii foxSep 24, 20182 votes

There is a reason for shoving and stalling other than solo exp, though. It's important to shove the wave into their tower before you leave so that the enemy loses farm, exp, and cannot shove back by the time you get back in lane. Just wait until your adc backs and back with them, simple as that.

And we freeze because it's safer for both the adc and support, we don't want to be shoved all the way to their side, that's just asking to get ganked. In this case you shouldn't be losing exp anyway because the wave is still being killed by the time the next wave comes.

SwiftKitten88Sep 24, 20181 votes

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There is a reason for shoving and stalling other than solo exp, though. It's important to shove the wave into their tower before you leave so that the enemy loses farm, exp, and cannot shove back by the time you get back in lane. Just wait until your adc backs and back with them, simple as that.

And we freeze because it's safer for both the adc and support, we don't want to be shoved all the way to their side, that's just asking to get ganked. In this case you shouldn't be losing exp anyway because the wave is still being killed by the time the next wave comes.

and the ADC's that know the strategical reasons are NOT the ones I'm having the issue with XD.

sarii foxSep 24, 20181 votes

Just realized that you're the same person I commented this same thing to. We're having the exact same conversations on two different board posts, lol.