I feel like Morellonomicon crowds out sustain champions

Smitemuffin··5 votes·483 views

As a mage main (where my Viktor mains at?), it seems pretty plain to me that item 3165 poses a huge roadblock to sustain champs by being both the most potent Grievous Wounds effect (it last sooooo loooooooonggggg) and by being basically the best AP item for DPS mages in the game. Sure, item 3089 is the highest AP item and eventually the "best" but item 3165 means near-endless mana, the highest CDR of any high-AP item, a massive amount of AP, plus Grievous wounds. And it's all on an item with an easy build path. It's practically a must-buy item for any AP champ looking to deal damage.

A few champs such as Vladimir and Aatrox get hard-countered by this item because they rely on being below half health to make their kits work, which means they have 15% max hp leeway to utilize their kit before even a stray item 3285 bolt totally screws them for 8 entire seconds. I think it's silly for my must-buy all-purpose best-in-class item to totally shut them down without any trade-offs suffered on my part. I don't see any great reason for it to work this way. At least an AD champ has to pass on up to 15% bonus damage from item 3036 to get item 3033.

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hunterspec3 votes

we need it. I always get the retards on my team I yell at 50 fucking times to buy exe calling for some champ and they never do so this is the last line of defense I have.

DrCyanide1 votes

There's DrMundo Vladimir Soraka on the enemy team, why would I want to spend 800 gold to make them useless? Best to try to beat them down to 35% HP and let the mid laner handle the Grievous Wounds, so I can buy another two longswords! /s

Dreadlocks2 votes

Yeah they took an item that competed with athenes and just basically deleted athenes and put it in with morellos... I liked how it was set up before, you went athenes if u wanted to play it safe or were vs hard ap.. and u went morellos if u really wanted to kill stuff early.. Now practically every1 just gets morellos.. because like you said, there is no downfall for doing so.. You dont lack anything except maybe health.. which isn't really saying much at this point.

Troll for Trump2 votes

At least an AD champ has to pass on up to 15% bonus damage from

But the AD application of Grevious wounds is unconditional, while Morello requires a certain %maxhp threshold. It can ignore so much armor as well, in addition to the other pen items Phys. Dmg Champs have, while APs basically just have Void Staff (Liandry is a joke).

It's much easier to apply grev wounds with Mortal Reminder than Morellos.

In addition, Mortal Reminder has a component item, Executioner's Calling that you can get for just 800 gold to shut down sustain champs not just in teamfights, but also in laning. Basically makes them useless, and you get it after your first back.

Bonus dmg is pretty conditional, too.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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But the AD application of Grevious wounds is unconditional, while Morello requires a certain %maxhp threshold. It can ignore so much armor as well, in addition to the other pen items Phys. Dmg Champs have, while APs basically just have Void Staff (Liandry is a joke).

It's much easier to apply grev wounds with Mortal Reminder than Morellos.

In addition, Mortal Reminder has a component item, Executioner's Calling that you can get for just 800 gold to shut down sustain champs not just in teamfights, but also in laning. Basically makes them useless, and you get it after your first back.

Bonus dmg is pretty conditional, too.

Not to mention that item 3123 item 3033 are applied on auto attacks which is basically only limited to "As long as you are not CC'd or dead" while item 3165 is only applied on spells which is restricted by CDs and Mana (and obviously CC/Death as well unless you are Karthus lol).

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

800gitem 3123 = item 3070 Aatrox Fiddlesticks Galio Darius Maokai DrMundo Illaoi MasterYi Olaf Sona SorakaSwain TahmKench Vladimir Zac Warwick Volibear Graves Gragas item 3070

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

The mortal reminder screws over sustain champions more-so because it's easier to use. Simply because it has no limitation requirement to be applied.

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