Wasant the goal of the assassin rework to make assassins more healthy?

RexSaur·Mar 15, 2017·13 votes·1,250 views

So how come they are even worse to play against now?

Talon/Katarina were given absurd amounts of damage early game and can 100-0 you starting lvl 2, and if they get a single kill lead you might aswell not even come back to lane anymore, atleast before they were actual bad laners pre 6, now they have more damage early game than release darius with no items and they snowball even harder with a single kill advantage.

Not even going to talk about the rengar/khazix/LB mess.

Even fizz was made worse both in power level and to play against...Can we just revert everything? Lethality is alright but the kit changes from the update were complete garbage to the game.

25 Comments

AhristocatsMar 15, 201713 votes

wait, why is this upvoted?

old talon killed you in 0.5 sec and new talon CAN IN NO WAY DO THAT, old talon had no counterplay and was balanced by the fact that he fell off after 30 min in the game

you have the possibility to outplay talon now, at the expense of him doing more damage deal with it

or give me old talon i'm completly fine with that, i hate the parkour mini game and would love to get my old assassin's creed back

AnhartaminMar 15, 20171 votes

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RalanrMar 15, 20171 votes

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Talons damage on lvl 2 is actually insane and it's getting addressed I think, not sure tho. It's easy to counter tho, just freeze in front of your turret and your fine. Talon is nothing more than a cheesy laner who punishes people who don't respect his all in potential. After getting a lead he fucks up your sight lanes.

Well you should get what's coming if you don't respect it.

AviSolusMar 16, 20171 votes

I really don't see how people think Talon's lvl 2 is so OP. I can only get the squishy mid laner down to 50% hp -_-

Then again, I run Stormraider's and Movespeed Quints so take it with a grain of salt.

Critmaster GarenMar 15, 20178 votes

you know what immediately happened, as soon as assassins had more counterplay through delayed burst?

adc outbursted assassins with their own items. assassins were changed to need around 1 to 2 seconds to perform a full assassination combo.

meanwhile graves, cait, mf and other adc just burst the shit out of everyone in half a second.

RalanrMar 15, 20172 votes

Or just killed assassins before they could reach them. With crit.

The DegenerateMar 15, 20171 votes

Eyy Leblanc with 1.5 seconds delay you go mark them with the W chain your E and wait to die Especially when they have edge of night and maw

DuskDaUmbreonMar 15, 20177 votes

It did. They actually have some minor counter play. You actually have some time to react. Sure, it's more damage, but spread out over, at the lowest, a full second. Before, it was "Oh, Katarina hit Q to h-nope, I'm dead." Rengar could literately sit on top of you waiting for his cooldowns, and you couldn't know. Now you at least can see where he is before you're already dead.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 15, 20173 votes

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It did. They actually have some minor counter play. You actually have some time to react. Sure, it's more damage, but spread out over, at the lowest, a full second. Before, it was "Oh, Katarina hit Q to h-nope, I'm dead." Rengar could literately sit on top of you waiting for his cooldowns, and you couldn't know. Now you at least can see where he is before you're already dead.

lmao... he really daring say old kata and talon were more healty ^^

The only where we can argue if its more healty or not is Rengo... but globaly assassin rework is successful.

RalanrMar 15, 20172 votes

Lethality is not alright.

Katarina was given more flexibility to work with and Talon...kinda just became a lane bully with great roaming potential (which I think he already was).

ForgiveColourMar 15, 20174 votes

Complaining about lethality in 7.5 LUL

RalanrMar 15, 20172 votes

Was wondering when I'd get mocked by you again.

ForgiveColourMar 15, 20175 votes

Go ahead tell me how broken lethality is in 7.5 lmaooo

RalanrMar 15, 20171 votes

You're not worth my time.

ForgiveColourMar 15, 20174 votes

Aka im only following the circlejerk to complain about lethality to farm upvotes

PennsMar 15, 20172 votes

Average 60 AD from cheap items, which is only a bit less than the 3500-3700 gold AD items when their main stat is lethality + a ton of utility like a low cooldown spell shield, free ward sweep and 60 move speed ooc just to name a few :thinking:

Death by GlamourMar 15, 20172 votes

Like every one of the class updates, they created more problems than what they solved

ChaddyFantomeMar 15, 20172 votes

It did tho. Assassins now need more time and set-up to kill you, giving you a chance to avoid them or block their damage and even retaliate.

NarasimhaMar 15, 20172 votes

Not entirely. None of the major reworks are really themed around balance. They're based around making each champion unique in their role.

AeszarckMar 15, 20172 votes

They're healthier for the game. They now have more counterplay, a huge problem people had with old assassins.

RexSaurMar 15, 20171 votes

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They're healthier for the game. They now have more counterplay, a huge problem people had with old assassins.

Except they dont?

You know, you could actually bully and set the kat/talon behind early game because they had a weak lane, now they kill you with a long sword at lvl 2 from full health.

RalanrMar 15, 20172 votes

So try to not let them kill you and call mia?

Like every other lane bully?

AeszarckMar 15, 20171 votes

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Except they dont?

You know, you could actually bully and set the kat/talon behind early game because they had a weak lane, now they kill you with a long sword at lvl 2 from full health.

Assassins are meant to be lane bullies, because lane is a 1v1 situation.

Katarina got a stronger laning phase for more unreliable teamfighting skill and less instant burst. Talon got a stronger laning phase and roaming potential for less much less burst. Both he and Katarina also got much more skill in their laning phases. They're not so binary anymore. Katarina had hard times in many matchups, but in matchups where she had an advantage, or in losing matchups where she managed to win anyways, she could kill people easily with no counterplay whatsoever. Now it still takes skill on her part to defeat an enemy when she's fed, and there's more interplay between the Champions as well. Talon I think has less trouble than Katarina with matchups but still had some ones where he struggled. In those, he struggled hard. In others, he dominated easily. When he got a lead, he could get rolling really quickly. Being on the losing side was nightmarish. Now, it still sucks to lose, but there's more counterplay.

l Dárius lMar 16, 20172 votes

i remember when everyone thought the assassin rework gutted a shitload of champs i also remember a lot of people had no problem with assassins getting gutting i ALSO remember some people did not like the changes to their champ regaurdless of how op or shit they were when the rework details were released ( crit rengar being made shit, akali changes just being nerfs and unliked by akali mains are big ones) idk just some food for thought friends

zaire90Mar 18, 20171 votes

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i remember when everyone thought the assassin rework gutted a shitload of champs i also remember a lot of people had no problem with assassins getting gutting

The common answer from most of them was good