Bruisers can't use PTA like fervor because they need to individually AA each enemy champ 3 times

FalconPawwwwnch·Nov 22, 2017·29 votes·1,740 views

When you fully stacked fervor of battle you didn't have to re-stack it on a new enemy champ, it just refreshed the stacks

Right now if you proc PTA on an enemy champ, sure you get the 12% buff vs. them, but ONLY towards them. Whereas before, darius/riven etc who don't buy attack speed got the full benefit once they stacked it up and didn't have to AA each enemy champion 3 times

Jax/Irelia/ADCs don't have this issue as much because they buy attack speed

26 Comments

woodvsmurphNov 22, 20173 votes

Darius and riven shouldn't be using pta.

If you go ghost darius and commit entirely to snowballing lane, lethal tempo is the way to go. Combined with your w, you can easily lvl 1-3 all-in and pop your passive guaranteeing the enemy flash and/or a kill. Otherwise, grasp is probably the best.

As for riven, aftershock, grasp, aery (because you are melee, so you get more damage procs from it faster AND it buffs riven's shield), electrocute, or dark harvest would be ok. It really depends on team comps, how you want to build riven, and whether you want power early/mid or late.

EternalShockNov 22, 20171 votes

I can’t believe people think this is how riven should be played.

Go ahead and take electrocute or dark harvest vs any tank going tabis and bramble and tell me how much fun u have.

U will deal absolutely nothing

N o t h I n g

GayFluffyUnicornNov 22, 20171 votes

Yup ^ Didn't even mention in my comments how fervor was the only thing that kept bruisers viable against tanks in laning phase. Now tanks flat out win and you can't do shit. You basically waste three AAs without anything happening just to get PtA when everything you have is on cooldown and you need to back off. Overall a net nerf. Other champs like camille can't do anything to tanks without fervor.

woodvsmurphNov 22, 20172 votes

You know what the problem is? People playing riven and fiora last year got spoiled. Building tons of ad and lifesteal and no armor pen and getting away with it. That or going full armor pen and no lifesteal. FYI before last year, they had to build either last whisper and/or black cleaver to do damage. Build a freaking cleaver, then get your lifesteal. Combined with all the lifesteal/sustain options in runes, you should be able to do just fine sustaining in lane while building cleaver first. After you have this and lifesteal, that's when you start taking control of the lane; which is what was intended and historically been the case - riven doesn't win at 0 or 1 item unless her opponent screws up. 2+ items, she matches and eventually exceeds the enemy's damage output while sustaining herself with lifesteal. If darius or renekton can do it while being forced to go cleaver into full tank, then riven can certainly manage to deal with bramble vest while building lifesteal and armor pen.

If you go electrocute, it does nice damage at all points in the game and scales especially nicely with someone like riven or fiora who build tons of ad. If you go dark harvest, you are conceding the lane in order to scale very hard into mid/late game damage. You aren't meant to win lane with dark harvest; you are meant to outscale. It's like picking vayne - you shouldn't win early game, but you will become a monster mid/late.

JackMcSnipeyzNov 22, 20173 votes

Well fervor effected only you, while PTA makes the enemies take 12% extra damage from ALL sources. I'd say it's a fair trade.

JavelinJoeNov 22, 20172 votes

You can get like +30 something % attack speed from the runes itself. That is a heavy increase from the old 4% from masteries and most of the time no one went full attack speed on Riven or Darius

DreadlocksNov 22, 20172 votes

I see your point, but why would you want to go PTA on Riven anyways when you can take Electrocute, Aery or Arcane Comet.

And dont you think 12% dmg to every1 would be op?

SalronNov 22, 20173 votes

Because Riven needed Fervor before to win extended fights against a lot of champions

DreadlocksNov 22, 20172 votes

So she finally has some weak match ups again, god bless.

flibitydooNov 22, 20172 votes

auto'ing 3 times is way easier on champs with auto resets rather than innate attackspeed however

I'm seeing a lot of shyvana, and that's because you can auto-> reset with Q for an immediate 3 stacks of PTA so the rest of your damage is just amp'd up by 12% at the start of the fight.

darius and jax both can reset their auto with w, as can champs like renekton and irelia and yasuo who also have on-hit abilities for PTA.

really the only issue I see with PTA is it's basically single target, but none of these fighters were teamfighting spectacles to begin with even before the rune change, and that was more connected teamfight kiting.

SalamencęNov 22, 20177 votes

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none of these fighters were teamfighting spectacles to begin with even before the rune change

Darius wasn't / isn't a teamfighter????? LOL

flibitydooNov 22, 20174 votes

darius was front line fodder in teamfights

hell that's what he is still

that's also why he's been in such a bad spot winrate wise for the past year

Troll for TrumpNov 22, 20177 votes

He isn't supposed to be, playing like that is just doing it wrong; you're supposed to dive the backline.

Ironically, the frontline fodder build is much stronger by using Grasp. It's actually not even that bad with Titanic and cleaver, but it still doesn't feel satisfactory

Regarding press the attack though, it only lasts for 6 seconds. What will Darius do during that time. He used his W to trigger it, the AA doesn't proc the % dmg increase (which got nerfed), he probably used E to hook the targets in. So maybe it'll amplify Q, one AA and some bleed dmg. That's not really enough to justify it.

SalamencęNov 22, 20172 votes

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darius was front line fodder in teamfights

hell that's what he is still

that's also why he's been in such a bad spot winrate wise for the past year

well yeah he isn't supposed to be frontline. He's a juggernaut, they follow the tanks and dive the backline. He should be right behind the tank(s), not engaging himself.

AmazoXNov 22, 20172 votes

And here we are ladies & gentlemen, Someone's complaining about how PTA isn't as strong as Fervor & I THOUGHT the Boards hated the last masteries for their insane damage, Haha, Boards is a joke.

hhaavviikkNov 22, 20175 votes

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And here we are ladies & gentlemen, Someone's complaining about how PTA isn't as strong as Fervor & I THOUGHT the Boards hated the last masteries for their insane damage, Haha, Boards is a joke.

that's because for some champions the mastery was a necessity to stay viable, some have even been balanced around the old masteries and some now don't even have any mastery to choose anymore

GayFluffyUnicornNov 22, 20172 votes

Sorry that some people acually enjoy to play fighters and kinda don't like that the only bandaid fix that kept them viable got removed. More than half the bruisers roster can't use PtA and the other half are narrowed down to only splitpush since they can't teamfight properly without fervor.

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20173 votes

Boards are divided between assassins.mages and juggernauts.

One of these 3 groups are always complaining about something.

Mainly that's it's unfair that their main (champion, not the class) is nonviable and it's unfair because the marksman class as a whole always has at least 2 good champs.

And there is a huge amount of Darius mains that want him tankier than cho gath with more damage than Fiora.

Also impossible to kite, and more resistant to harass.

Juggernaut mains who are finding their champs unreasonably squishy following the changes (probably justified in some cases)

Assassin mains that want to be able to kill 3 people all at once,under a second with no warning, or at least somehow get past all those pesky lulu´s (the last one i can actually understand)

oh they also want to 1v5, or at least 3v5.

Mages want more items,fun items, situational items and more AP, also some way to deal some manner of damage to tanks.

Explosions and implosions are also high up on the wishlist, along with mana potions.

Marksmen mains are far and few between on the boards, supports do exist but they are a diverse bunch.

I myself? I play all the roles to some degree.

My top 3 are as follows, 1 mage, 1 diver, 1 marksman.

Then.....i think number 4 is a support?

Jack of the trades^^

The Yetii RiderNov 22, 20171 votes

Darius's W resets his auto, stacking 3 autos is easy even with only the 18% AS from the tree.

Besides, why would you want Press the Attack on a bruiser, you would rather have the flat AD in lane, right? Grab Phase Rush, Electrocute, Summon: Aery.

PB4UAMENov 22, 20171 votes

For one target sure, thats not taking into account anything about what we are actually discussing here.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 22, 20171 votes

Jax, irelia, camille feel really clunky without the attack speed since all of them (not sure about irelia) ran attack speed runes and didn't get compensated for it. It's a joke i have to take summon aery on camille to have something like a laning phase. Darius, jax want extented fights and beat you there you know sustained dmg and such? That doesnt work with electrocute or phase rush. Camille wants fast and short trades. Good luck with domination. Yes you get some AD but lose out about 2 AAs in the early game which is more than one electrocute and the flat ad.

The Yetii RiderNov 22, 20171 votes

Lol. If you're struggling in the early game, just jungle. The early game stops existing. You can farm for the first six minutes, the first eight minutes, the first ten minutes, only ganking when you see an opportunity.

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20171 votes

.....You do know that you get attackspeed just for using the precision page right? And it's pretty much the same amount as before with a mixed page of attack speed and AD?

Right?

And there is even a mini rune that gives you attackspeed or lifesteal or tenacity for farming and takedowns?

And the ability as a melee to just go in, deal a massive chunk of damage and go back before the opponent can retaliate is pretty much exactly what Riot want's gone, if you want to do some real damage then 3 autos are the new minimum deal, at least early.

SohleksNov 22, 20171 votes

Maybe it should work differently for melee.

Just staying in the fight as melee is pressing an attack.

Remove target pickiness for melee. Might have to do something about the 12% damage amp maybe reconsider it in general.

Or just make it melee switch with 1 attack once maxed out in combat

FeathermaneNov 22, 20171 votes

Working as intended.

NoblewindNov 22, 20171 votes

While that's true, the new one does allow for increased damage from all sources.

Also people need to stop comparing the new runes to their comparative old mastery. You need to compare new runes to other new runes and find a new way to play