Can we get some buffs for Guinsoo's Rageblade?
Maybe try that one buff where you actually get the attack speed that you paid for when you bought the item
Or just pretend attack speed fighters don't exist i guess that works too.
Mimy10 votesI hate dealing with attack speed fighters when they're in meta... ;-;
Especially this guy 
.....
Plogging annoying.. gotta buy 
so he can't 1v5 your team just ALWAYS HEALING...
They took the double stack from rage blade because they basically added the sated passive to it..
#Repressed horrible memories begin flooding back from the sated jungle meta..
I agree melees can use a buff but..
http://img.pandawhale.com/86822-not-like-this-gif-perfect-loop-pD6b.gif
VexingRaven2 votesI hate dealing with attack speed fighters when they're in meta... ;-;
Especially this guy
Plogging annoying.. gotta buy
They took the double stack from rage blade because they basically added the sated passive to it..
#Repressed horrible memories begin flooding back from the sated jungle meta..
I agree melees can use a buff but..
http://img.pandawhale.com/86822-not-like-this-gif-perfect-loop-pD6b.gif
Somewhat off-topic but my god do I hate the new Xin icon.
Hyperiön4 votesThe whole purpose of nerfing Fervor was to nerf on hit builds.
Meep Man38 votesI thought it was because Fervor was warping the power curve of ADCs and was becoming picked on nearly anyone that attacked at least once per second, silly me.
Hyperiön2 votesNope, the new fervor scaled with AD now, and its half the dmg, and blocked by armor.
Last fervor was on hit, unavoidable, which is why it was so highly contested.
Meep Man8 votesWhat do you mean by unavoidable?
Hyperiön1 votesOn hit affects are only negateable by magic resist. I should have worded it different, that was my bad.
Big Lincoln13 votesits physical damage lol
Hyperiön1 votesIts magic damage applied physical damage.
Big Lincoln15 votesno, it was just bonus physical damage lol.
It was supposed to be exclusively for auto attackers with low AD scaling; that's why it was physical on hit and not AD. But ADCs abused it so for some reason riot is making it better for them and worse for almost everyone else
Ariel the Cruel4 votesBecause Masteries are supposed to revolve around ADC's (See Resolve tree). Just like the meta (see S1). And everything else (see everything else).
If ADC's want them, then they damned well better get it! Imagine what this game would be like without them. You know . . . "fun".
<Insert troll here.>Meep Man27 votesOn-hit effects don't have specific mitigation. Physical on-hit effects are reduced by armor and magic on-hit effects are reduced by magic resist.
PermabannedGaren11 votesOn hit affects are only negateable by magic resist. I should have worded it different, that was my bad.
On-hit effects that are physical damage aren't negated by magic resist.
PermabannedGaren5 votesThe whole purpose of nerfing Fervor was to nerf on hit builds.
But why?
What on-hit champion is too strong?
Master Yi, Jax, Xin Zhao (though at least he does crit on every third auto), Warwick, Shyvana, Aatrox, and Kindred are not too strong right now.
So who is this supposed to nerf?
Irelia?
Irelia is the only on-hit champion who is arguably too strong right now, and the AD ratio on her ult is so big this will barely affect her, or it could be a buff.
Same with Yasuo. Though he isn't too strong atm, this is a net buff on him. It's also a buff to Tryndamere, possibly as early as level 1 if he is lucky.
So who is this meant to nerf? That's what I want to know. Which on-hit champion needed a nerf?
The Yetii Rider2 votesKayle and Teemo. Literally the two on hit champs you didn't mention. Both of them are going to be much less annoying now.
AirKingNeo6 votesExcept Kayle and Teemo didn't need nerfs.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesThey don't. But let's be honest for a moment.
Is there ever a good reason not to nerf Satan Teemo? ;p
Dracocrash2 votesteemo didn't even use fervor of battle 50% of the time.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesSounds like a good reason to nerf the mushroom planter to me! XD
PermabannedGaren3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=49AtAROu,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2016-11-02T16:52:52.512+0000)
Kayle and Teemo. Literally the two on hit champs you didn't mention. Both of them are going to be much less annoying now.
I'm sorry, do you live in a fairy fantasy land where a champion being annoying makes them strong?
Or are you trying to tell me that fucking Teemo is overpowered right now?
And as much as I hate Kayle, nerfing Kayle is not worth nerfing literally every other on-hit champion who wasn't even kind of a problem.
The people at Riot are cowardly morons. If they want on-hit champions and builds to be weak they should just grow out of their tiny kitty cat balls and say so.
The Yetii Rider1 votesYou mean like they came out and said "We are suppressing farming junglers"? Like you took that so well?
PermabannedGaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=49AtAROu,comment-id=00000002000000020000,timestamp=2016-11-02T23:56:51.085+0000)
You mean like they came out and said "We are suppressing farming junglers"? Like you took that so well?
Yeah you're right, I wouldn't take it well.
I don't like that Riot is full of stupid subhuman morons, you're right.
Critmaster Garen1 votes{quoted} Or are you trying to tell me that fucking Teemo is overpowered right now?
check out his stats right now. i dont know if he already qualifies as overpowered, but hes definitely not just a joke anymore.
hes doing better than most top laners.
PermabannedGaren1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=49AtAROu,comment-id=00000002000000020001,timestamp=2016-11-03T10:45:12.707+0000)
check out his stats right now. i dont know if he already qualifies as overpowered, but hes definitely not just a joke anymore.
hes doing better than most top laners.
Teemo almost always hovers around a 51% win rate with good stats on champion.gg.
Because he's a cheese champions. And plat and diamond players (who make up the bulk of the playerbase used in that data) are still at the skill level where they get dumped on by cheese champions. He also tends to counter a few popular top laners (Riven and Darius for example) pretty well, which helps his win rate.
I'm not even saying Teemo is "bad". I'm saying that he didn't need a fucking nerf, nor should a bunch of champions who are balanced or weak be nerfed just because of fucking Teemo.
ArnoldSchwarzens4 votesNot a nerf, just a change. Everyone who scales really well with AD and can stack it fast will profit from it. I mean, just imagine 
and similar champions or imagine it on basically everyone who buys crit.
The only champions on which it actually is a nerf are 
, the champions who make more use of attack speed and on-hit damage and have relatively shitty AD ratios.
Currently I'm in a love-hate relationship with the change. On one hand, A TON more champions can use it better but those who can't have no other real option to go to. For and this really is just a straight out nerf, the damage they get from Fervor in the late game is pretty much halfed.
GULAG 4 U1 votes
AirKingNeo2 votesStill a nerf. I'd rather have 70 more damage EVERY HIT than 30 more healing every THIRD hit.
ArnoldSchwarzens1 votesDon't think it's a nerf. You also have to consider that the extra damage you get is mitigated by armor while the healing isn't. The heal also doubles when you're low. And you have AD ratios on your Q, E and the damage part of your W. And you profit more from your lifesteal build.
Actually, probably a buff.
AirKingNeo2 votesE and Q have cooldowns, autos don't. Fervor isn't gated by third hits either.
AirKingNeo1 votesThis is also a 
nerf.
I mean Kayle builds some crit so expect Hurricane PD Kayle to be meta next season, toss on Maw for CDR and AD, and this more hybrid build works.
ArnoldSchwarzens1 votesKayle only has a mediocre AD ratio on her Q. Jax on the other hand has 2 AD ratios on Q and E and then there's the fact that your ult gives you bonus armor based on your AD. I'd say Jax is still better off than Kayle.
DorkunedAuras2 votesJax generally doesn't Q while beating the shit out of someone, only to be sticky. Add in that his E, while having a good ratio, is typically used for stun, not dodging in most situations, and He loses a shitton from this. None of the abilities that actually go off regularly scale with AD.
Penta Penguin1 votesTeemo can for sure just go to Deathfire or TLD, Teemo with TLD is pretty sick, maybe Stormraiders could even work, or just run Fervor anyway...
I mean do Teemo and Kayle of all people REALLY need current Fervor?
Mistress Madoka1 votesI run Teemo with Deathfire already, I never even considered Fervor on Teemo
Grimspeake2 votesFervour was always kinda meh for the past while. I think warlords has been much stronger for laning.
Critmaster Garen22 votesFervour was always kinda meh for the past while. I think warlords has been much stronger for laning.
cant tell if joking.
Grimspeake2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=49AtAROu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-02T14:37:15.517+0000)
cant tell if joking.
Sorry i dont play lucian
Rebonack2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=49AtAROu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-02T14:37:15.517+0000)
cant tell if joking.
You were here for the last pre-season patch, yeah?
The sustain-on-crit Warlord's was quite a bit stronger and Thunderlord's was pretty absurd. It wasn't until Warlord's got remade and TLD got dialed back that people started running Fervor in earnest.
It's almost as if people will use the strongest option whenever Riot plays whack-a-mole nerf.
This is exposing systemic issues with the Keystone system. Riot set out with the goal to make a selection of Keystones meant to alter the way you play a champion. What we have instead are a bunch of highly specialized Keystones where there's usually only one viable option on any given champ.
kile1472 votesI mean fervor was more broken than all of them at first, since it procced on any ability cast or auto, regardless of if it hit an enemy champ. Brief time there where you ran Fervor on Riven because you could literally have 100% uptime on max stacks, even out of combat.
Pre-season man... good times...
Auz the Ripper4 votesAh, that one patch when aatrox was usable
kile1473 votesWas he? I feel like every other laner/jungler would still have been stronger since Aatrox couldn't even abuse that mechanic as much as some with his long CD spells.
Auz the Ripper2 votesThe fact it could stack on minions was what was important to him
ForgiveColour2 votesWarlord is better fervor on non casters adc. Have you been playing bot lane?
ømg3 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=49AtAROu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-02T14:37:15.517+0000)
cant tell if joking.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=tpfroms5 http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=skteiecomt1bang
Clearly he's joking, two of the best ADCs must be joking as well. The fact that you have 16 upvotes speaks volumes about what people on these forums know about balance.
LadyRenly1 votesFervour was always kinda meh for the past while. I think warlords has been much stronger for laning.
fervor was what enabled bruiser yasuo
EndlessSorcerer2 votesDon't forget about the current iteration of tank Ekko (Trinity Force + Fervor of Battle -> Tank).
TwinkiePro2 votes
+ 
and Fervor. We looking at A jhin that goes from 400 AD to over 600 in 6 autos and will kite the ever living fuck out of a voli or garen. Fervor isnt bad.
Penta Penguin17 votes"6 autos" "Jhin"
TwinkiePro2 votesAre you implying reload does nothing on Jhin? I mean, you can say what you want, but it works fairly well in pbe plat elo.
not to mention fervor stacks to ten, but I stated 6 for the sake of rageblade.
Joquan2 votesThe fact that you are silver 4 and plat in pbe should be enough evidence that you shouldn't use pbe gameplay as balance.
