Why I hate adcs.

option paralysis··10 votes·2,344 views

First of all, they're AA based, and in this retarded "die in 0.2 secs" game, they either have to be broken with AA's or they just die doing no dmg and make the game 4v5.

When they're in the game, they warp the whole fucking game around them, keep the adc alive or we lose, kill the adc or we lose, yo support be my slave always by my side, gib me all the cs and kills derpppp. No other fucking role does that.

People are sheeps and they don't play mages bot anymore, because lcs doesn't anymore. Like what the fuck. Every game one adc is feeding and is useless for the rest of the game. But if they played heimer/swain/vlad/brand/fiddle etc, they would always be useful.

90% of the time adcs can't do shit on their own, you always have to hold their hand to win the game. I feel like a fucking babysitter. And again, swain/heimer/vlad/brand/fiddle are always useful and can do shit on their own.

They make the game unnecesarily hard. Every lane can feed, but when your adc feeds, unless you're 15/0, you won't win the game. When they're OP, they make the game stale and you can't ban them out, because you can just pick another adc. See season 7

But the thing that bugs me the most are the people who are such meta sheeps that even when they get autofilled, they play adcs because that's the meta duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh, and then they're 0/10, when they could of easily went any champ bot and be useful.

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Daddy Tie Me Up7 votes

When they're in the game, they warp the whole fucking game around them, keep the adc alive or we lose, kill the adc or we lose, yo support be my slave always by my side, gib me all the cs and kills derpppp. No other fucking role does that.

So when people played swain bot, you guys split cs evenly? Didnt know about that one. Perhaps you can enlighten me to the more advanced strategies such as feeding gold to a fucking Janna and how she can carry with her incredible scalings. It is almost like bot lane itself was balanced around two players, one playing gold hungry damage carry that has to get spoon fed currency to be relevant and the other taking care of the most fucking fragile champion on the team. Dont get me wrong, I really wish all Adcs would get reworked so I could play Caitlyn mid, but pretending that adc on bot is somehow different from anything else on bot that isnt support is literally a delusional claim. Most popular and efficient champions that occupy bot lane and arent ADCs are Swain, that builds expensive items, Yasuo that itemizes literally as adc, Heimerdinger which deserves more nerfs that Irelia ever did, Vladimir that also itemizes expensive builds. Please tell me which duo on bot lane could afford going double bruiser and split gold without being dog shit. Tell me how many times did you support tank and won the lane? You dont hate ADC, you hate supporting.

People are sheeps and they don't play mages bot anymore, because lcs doesn't anymore. Like what the fuck. Every game one adc is feeding and is useless for the rest of the game. But if they played heimer/swain/vlad/brand/fiddle etc, they would always be useful.

Maybe, just maybe, people who played heimer swain vlad brand, played them because ADC was so dog shit they had to change their champion roster from their favorites to something that wasnt absolute dog shit. And now, when they can play their favorite champions again, they play them again. How about that? Do you seriously think that all mid mains suddenly started going bot lane just because their champions were relevant there? Mid lane is fundamentally different from bot lane, the play style doesnt fit at all.

90% of the time adcs can't do shit on their own, you always have to hold their hand to win the game.

Uhm yeah, last time adc was capable of solo play, forums were full of same shit. Can you just decide what you want?

I feel like a fucking babysitter.

Yea. Thats the point. Of support. But what ever.

And again, swain/heimer/vlad/brand/fiddle are always useful and can do shit on their own.

Sounds more like they should be nerfed than praised. Especially when you realize that you can then swap supports for champions that can afford building cheap items like tanks or mages with high base damages. Or they should just remove 5th role from the game all together and balance adc around solo play. Thats what I would prefer. Every solo laner for themself + jungler. No more support, no more freelo for "playing" janna.

They make the game unnecesarily hard. Every lane can feed, but when your adc feeds, unless you're 15/0, you won't win the game.

Yeah thats why duo lane was designed around playing fucking duo. If you play solo que as support or adc with no premade, thats on you. Quit complaining that you are so antisocial that you cant find reliable and carriable premade. Want to win your lane as solo? Play top. Play mid. Play jungle. All of these roles can give you more agency over lane than playing 1v3. And nah dont give me that bullshit "but I enjoy supporting". No you dont. There are utility mages on mid that can play as any controll support. Swap your lulu for Orianna, swap your alistar for sion, swap your fucking pyke for lee sin. You are doing same thing as before, just not relying on your lane partner. Cant handle solo lanes you say? Then quit complaining at fucking all.

When they're OP, they make the game stale and you can't ban them out, because you can just pick another adc. See season 7

So meta where Swain was 100% ban pick and only 3 carries on bot were swain vlad and brand was not stale. OKAY.

But the thing that bugs me the most are the people who are such meta sheeps that even when they get autofilled, they play adcs because that's the meta duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh, and then they're 0/10, when they could of easily went any champ bot and be useful.

Any champ you say? Even tanks? Champion class that relies on base damages and solo experience from lane to get ahead? A champion class that builds cheapest item builds in the game? A champion class that cant even clear drakes? A champion class that cant push because it builds no damage? Sounds very viable.

Daddy Ants5 votes

Their "AA Based"

Cute coming from an Udyr Main.

What's the matter? Being kited by too many ADC's?

OtterlyLost4 votes

I hate Top Laners.

I can leave lane 5/0 as an ADC and it won't matter because my top is 0/5 and their laner is perfectly designed to shit on me; now I have to play absolutely perfectly in order to carry and I have to rely on my random, not premade support to also play perfectly to help facilitate this. Because all it takes is one fucking flank and no one turning to help me in time for for me to die to this 5/0 top laner. And sometimes, even if they do turn, its too late; I'm already dead. Because the 5/0 top laner gets to do as much damage as I do while also being infinitely tankier; because Riot cares about what's fair and balanced and designed a class that they actively nerfed away from doing the most damage in the game but they also don't want to have any solo priority or any capabilities to protect themselves or any defenses to make solo laning and carrying feasible. No, they should only do the same amount of damage as the fed top laner but be so indisputably easy to kill that a stiff breeze can take half their health.

Here's a scenario; I'm trying to farm my bot lane. I'm with my support. I'm only at the half way point of lane and its only 7 minutes into the game. I'm doing okay with myself, maybe one kill maybe none but definitely no deaths. And then suddenly, a TP comes in from the tri bush behind us(that is warded) and before we can back off, from the lane bush(that we can't always keep warded because we also need a ward in river; gotta love not being able to get a sight stone early anymore. Thanks Riot.) comes the enemy Jungler. And by the time we've managed to try and disentangle from him, there's their midlaner also for a slice of the pie. There are five fucking people bot. Fine. Whatever, I'm sure my solo laners and my jungler are doing something worth a damn since they're either A. About to dive us, B. have already killed us and are going to take the tower, or C. my support and I managed to get away unscathed or at low health but we can't really stay to defend 2v5 so they're going to take our tower. I look top laner. Sitting under his own turret last hitting. I look mid, not pressuring for their tower at all. I look at our Jungler; just taking chickens.

Great. Glad that their entire team can poor all their resources into destroying bot lane and not get punished for it because my solo laners and jungler are bunch of potatoes.

On that note, I hate Junglers.

They have the most agency and freedom in the goddamn game. They get to, basically, decide which lane lives or dies. They are the sole control we have around buffs and neutral objectives. If you have a good one, he has phenomenal pathing and is at every lane seemingly simultaneously; he's counter ganking, ganking, getting objectives, and counter jungling somehow all at once. If you have a shit one, you will never get a dragon because he doesn't ever want to apply pressure mid or bot; he'd rather jerk himself off in his jungle. He will never gank, even lanes where the enemy jungler couldn't possibly be because he can see the enemy jungler bot. He will never track the enemy jungler and know exactly where he is. He doesn't understand trading objectives; for example, when they five manned me bot, there's no excuse that he shouldn't have rallied the top and mid together, after making them push their lanes, and taken herald and then a turret somewhere else on the map. If he's actually doing that, my support and I will do what we can, without dying, to keep them bot so we can at least trade something objectively.

No, I fucking hate junglers. Literally have the entire game in the palm of their hand; you talk about the game warping around ADC's? No, fam. The game has always wrapped around the jungler. Its been like that forever and its just gotten progressively worse. And worse. And worse.

URFAVEBOI2 votes

we get it you hate everything stop complaining

ExpStealer3 votes

You don't hate ADCs, you hate supporting. And probably because as a support you have to be kinda in the background, babysitting the most fragile champion on any team.

"The quiet ones are those who change the Universe; the loud ones only take the credit." - Centauri Emperor Londo Mollari, Babylon 5

In the same way as in the quote 99% of the times an ADC performs at an S+ level and "carries" the game it's because their support spoon-fed them kills by providing the correct setup and keeping them from biting the dust even at the expense of their own life if need be. It's the ADCs who get the Pentakills and the credit so they can spam their meaningless Mastery 7 badge while the support quietly chuckles in the background full well knowing that they carry that same ADC on their shoulders and made it the 1v5 beast it turned into.

Daddy Ants2 votes

Oh cry more.

I hate tanks and assassin's and I'm not making a cry thread about them.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

If you're defining being a good teammate by:

Having to be unequal to a toxic player that runs an extremely dependent ADC toward a lane with a stranger. Having to support someone who spends no effort into learning their own role. Having this enforced by the noobs that don't even comprehend roaming in the first place. The concept of solo queue low elo having low skilled ADCs, but you're not allowed to carry any of the rest of your team. Having to be called a griefer or troll because you don't want to lane with someone directly and explicitly being an asshole to the support as a habit.

I don't want to be a good teammate.

SociaI Justice1 votes

this is the first time in 10 years i have seen someone say derp

Siyther1 votes

sheep not sheeps

Ashe mage AD1 votes

'Go die for me so I can melt them' - me every other game xDD

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

First of all, they're AA based

So are a great deal of other champions Jax Fiora Kayle Olaf MasterYi Tryndamere Udyr Trundle Volibear Warwick XinZhao Yasuo

I'm also all for diversity, but the one we had basically made all marksman unable to go in the one lane they were viable in. Each of them were designed to be paired with a support as a 2 person Bot Lane.

If the Marksman were made into Solo Laners, Supports would begin to lack purpose besides roaming to each and every lane to help out, or become a secondary Jungler for all we know (Like on Nexus Blitz).

Alzon1 votes

Instead of hating a role, why don’t you try playing it? I’m a firm believer that no one understands how to play the game until they have every role under their belt. Bot lane haters can pick some champs like Lucian, Varus, Janna, and Braum and just spam them out for several dozen games. Top lane haters can do the same with Darius, Sion, Fiora, etc. So on and so forth. You WILL be on the other end of those experiences that made you hate the role. You WILL learn what players of those roles want to do, and how they’ll typically go about it. And you WILL be able to use this knowledge to play your preferred role more effectively.

PhoneAbuse1 votes

You do have some points for example how they feel everything revolves around them, this and is true and yes very frustrating. As I jungle main I usually get flamed a lot and most of the time it's either the top laner or adc. For example if I gank and then "steal" a kill from the adc they will constantly ping me away when I try to gank for the reason "When I get a kill you can steal it" even when they're getting crushed by the enemy laners.

OtterlyLost2 votes

Firstly, if you take the kill, I'm going to be internally frustrated. Assist gold is honestly garbage; they could lower the gold gen on support items if they actually made assists worth real money. Just to put it in perspective for people out there who don't understand: An assist is half the amount of gold the person who got the kill got. Early game, the first kill on a target is 300. So divide that by 2. That's 150. That's if there were only two people involved in killing the person. If there were more, you have to divide that 150 between however many people helped kill the person. So guess what? You gank bot lane, you got the kill, its safe to assume that both the support and ADC just got an assist. You know how much gold you actually just gave your ADC by taking the kill? 75 gold. You gave them enough gold to buy a pink ward. I'm sorry, I'm going to be a little angry and frustrated if you take the kill.

Secondly, if I'm getting smashed in lane, I'm going to ping you away regardless. Why are you ganking a losing lane? Go somewhere else. Be useful somewhere else. Get the mid ahead. .-. Don't come into my lane and make it worse by giving the enemy ADC a triple kill.

Edit: And to add onto my second point, we just pointed out that assist gold is garbage. The only way a gank made by you on a behind bot lane would, in any way, help the behind bot lane is if the ADC(who is probably desperately starved of gold) actually got the kill. Which, if you've previously taken the kill, they have no reason to believe that will happen for them and it would still be better for you to take the lead you have somewhere else.

Alzon1 votes

Learn to manage minion waves. You can profit far more off of the enemy laner being dead than just 300 gold. Sure, not getting the kill feels bad. But when you use the enemy’s spawn timer and return to lane to gobble up two waves and deny them three, losing only a couple melee minions during your own recall and walk back, THAT is a huge win. Blowing up the enemy turret ASAP is not always ideal - getting your items and denying the opponent theirs is bigger. Then you can use that lead to smash them AND their turret.

Alternatively, you can force a fight at or just straight up take the dragon in some cases.

Also, looking for a shutdown is not a bad thing if the one carrying the gold gets cocky. Typically, a 3/0 ADC past the river with no flash is a VERY juicy gank target.

OtterlyLost2 votes

I do know how to manage the minion waves; I just also know that if I can manage the waves, they can too. Also, does that mean you don't take any of the farm after you get a kill bot lane? You literally just help push the wave so your ADC can back? Also, let's do some math. Assuming I do come back to a double stacked minion wave; I'm still only getting a full total 210 gold if its two normal minion waves. And that's if I get every single one. It doesn't even add up to the kill you took. And it doesn't even help because if I'm coming back to it, then its gold I just got after I backed; I can't make an immediate advantage out of that. Unlike if I'd gotten 300 gold off a kill and backed. I would have gotten an immediate advantage over my laner.

And looking for a shutdown isn't a bad idea. But looking to shut them down in lane is. So you're looking at bot lane because you know the enemy AD is fed, you know they have no flash, and you know they're push. Guess who else is probably looking at bot lane for similar reasons? The enemy Jungler. And guess what, he knows if he counter ganks your gank, there's a good goddamn chance he's gonna win because his ADC is 3/0 and yours is probably 0/1/1(because, you know, you took that 300 gold kill early on). You would lose that 3v3. Or worse, it would be a 3v4 if the Top laner or Midlaner decide to join the fray.

Paintchip1 votes

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saltran1 votes

Do you play non ADC botlanes?

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