Sightstone on Riven?

Bouncemaster Zac··1 votes·872 views

Bare with me here because I'm fairly certain most people would think that's dumb but I had a thought. I don't really play Riven much but I played a few matches the past week or so because I do find her fun from time to time and I just had a match where I noticed I spent a lot of time thinking "I could do this, but the map is dark there and my trinket is down." So I played with the idea of getting a Sightstone. Didn't actually do it, but considered, and I think Riven has a surprisingly strong case for building it on what is usually considered a carry Champion.

There's no arguing that having an infinitely refreshing supply of wards is good on everyone, it's a matter of "is it worth it to drop an entire other item for this weird rock with an eyeball in it" and I think on Riven in may be a yes. Consider: Riven is a fighter/skirmisher and flanking is important, and wards make flanking significantly easier and safer. 500 hp (once upgraded)helps make her more survivable which is great since her big weakness is being very squishy for a fighter, and even Cleaver only gives 300h. There's also no arguing SS is one of the most cost-effective items in the game. On top of that, Ruby also gives that unique CDR for item actives, and item 3074 and item 3142 are standard items on her.

I think a 6-item build with RSS in it would look something like item 2045 item 3074 item 3142 item 3158 item 3036 item 3071 . Am I on to something or is it not worth giving up the 6th slot?

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Weathered6 votes

Sightstone on any champion isn't bad. Isn't good, but isn't bad.

FurretHasAGlock3 votes

I just started maining riven recently, and i already am able to get mastery 6 once i get the blue essence.... The reason this buy is bad is the fact that riven has near to no reason to ever build items just for tankiness. While yes, you can, its just not efficient. She gets tankiness from her shield, which scales with AD, and all of her abilities base damages are kind of iffy so going tank isn't that great, despite the CC. Her abilities also have pretty nice ratios with AD so it is much more efficient. The only tanky items that she has real synergy with is black cleaver, and steraks gage, (and if you think of them as tanky, bloodthirster and deaths dance.) She really is better just going flat AD and bursting entire teams rather than going tank and just bursting nobody. EDIT: I forgot about wards, but the reason for that is riven's flanks, while good, don't need wards. honestly as long as they are either pushed or the laner baits them, its an easy kill.

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I just started maining riven recently, and i already am able to get mastery 6 once i get the blue essence.... The reason this buy is bad is the fact that riven has near to no reason to ever build items just for tankiness. While yes, you can, its just not efficient. She gets tankiness from her shield, which scales with AD, and all of her abilities base damages are kind of iffy so going tank isn't that great, despite the CC. Her abilities also have pretty nice ratios with AD so it is much more efficient. The only tanky items that she has real synergy with is black cleaver, and steraks gage, (and if you think of them as tanky, bloodthirster and deaths dance.) She really is better just going flat AD and bursting entire teams rather than going tank and just bursting nobody.

ok so the OP stated what if you build item 2045 1st and i said i would love for a Riven 1st item to be a item 2045 going against her in top lane... explain to him why that would be a horrible idea.... and why the person in lane vs a Riven would welcome that

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3vOiGanK,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-08-28T23:19:29.907+0000)

ok so the OP stated what if you build item 2045 1st and i said i would love for a Riven 1st item to be a item 2045 going against her in top lane... explain to him why that would be a horrible idea.... and why the person in lane vs a Riven would welcome that

Amazing, you can't even reply directly to me and would rather pick random people to fight your battles for you. You've also demonstrated a great lack of reading comprehension. At no point did I say anything about building it as first item, or even building it during laning. It's pretty obvious why it would be horrible first item. I posted a thread asking for input on an idea I had (which is building item 2045 at some point ) because I wanted to know what people more experienced with the Champion involved thought. You'll notice I've replied to those who addressed what I posted and given valid reasoning, even if they disagreed with the initial idea. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but be a smug asshole. Congrats on being what's wrong with the Gameplay section of the Boards.

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Amazing, you can't even reply directly to me and would rather pick random people to fight your battles for you. You've also demonstrated a great lack of reading comprehension. At no point did I say anything about building it as first item, or even building it during laning. It's pretty obvious why it would be horrible first item. I posted a thread asking for input on an idea I had (which is building item 2045 at some point ) because I wanted to know what people more experienced with the Champion involved thought. You'll notice I've replied to those who addressed what I posted and given valid reasoning, even if they disagreed with the initial idea. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but be a smug asshole. Congrats on being what's wrong with the Gameplay section of the Boards.

You could get it after your first item but I wouldn't upgrade it and I would sell it when you have enough for your 6th item. I would also only get it if your support is being bad about warding. A good support should be able to cover it. If another sightstone is really needed it is better on the jgler.

That makes sense, but I'm not really fond of buying an item just to sell it again if it doesn't give gold gen or have "Doran's" in the name.

this is a discussion you had with someone else on this thread about getting it after your 1st item which would still be laning phase...

and any time i disagreed with you cuz you cant see how absurd it is to get a item 2045 on Riven you down vote me

the fact that you think its a viable item on a champ that scales totally on nothing but ad and cdr and is meant to be a damage carry...

not a tank... not a support... not a cc machine a damage carry

and i asked someone who made a post about being a riven main of how and why it would be bad for you to build it in lane or at all...

and now you wanna insult me by calling me a smug asshole and say im whats wrong with the boards... the fact that you result to toxicity and verbal abuse and vulgar language is what is wrong with the community as a whole.

i simply stated " no just no" would be enough for someone with any sense of the champ of Riven would then realize how idiotic it is

as a Riven how does an item that provides no ad no cdr that cost 1600 gold viable at all? you can get more hp stats from other items that provide better stats for your champ . it would be a waste of gold... a waste of an inventory slot and seriously handicapping your champs damage output and chance to win in lane or out of lane..

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3vOiGanK,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-29T00:04:28.988+0000)

You could get it after your first item but I wouldn't upgrade it and I would sell it when you have enough for your 6th item. I would also only get it if your support is being bad about warding. A good support should be able to cover it. If another sightstone is really needed it is better on the jgler.

That makes sense, but I'm not really fond of buying an item just to sell it again if it doesn't give gold gen or have "Doran's" in the name.

this is a discussion you had with someone else on this thread about getting it after your 1st item which would still be laning phase...

and any time i disagreed with you cuz you cant see how absurd it is to get a item 2045 on Riven you down vote me

the fact that you think its a viable item on a champ that scales totally on nothing but ad and cdr and is meant to be a damage carry...

not a tank... not a support... not a cc machine a damage carry

and i asked someone who made a post about being a riven main of how and why it would be bad for you to build it in lane or at all...

and now you wanna insult me by calling me a smug asshole and say im whats wrong with the boards... the fact that you result to toxicity and verbal abuse and vulgar language is what is wrong with the community as a whole.

i simply stated " no just no" would be enough for someone with any sense of the champ of Riven would then realize how idiotic it is

as a Riven how does an item that provides no ad no cdr that cost 1600 gold viable at all? you can get more hp stats from other items that provide better stats for your champ . it would be a waste of gold... a waste of an inventory slot and seriously handicapping your champs damage output and chance to win in lane or out of lane..

How about "just no" to all the bullshit you just spouted? You've contradicted yourself so much I'm not even sure where to start, but I guess I'll go with the part where you continue to not address anything I said in my original post, so congrats on that. You've also made it clear that you didn't even read the initial post or you'd know why I felt the item was viable. I even addressed the part about her being a carry Champion, but you weren't aware of that since you decided to just respond to the title. You gave smug one-liners that addressed nothing because (and you admit now) you thought I was an idiot and wasn't worth giving a real answer. You're riding on such a massive sense of superiority that you think thinly veiled mockery is a valid response, and when I call you on it you call me toxic? I thought hypocrites this big were all on tumblr. You've made it very clear that you came into this thread for no other reason than to inflate your own ego, so I'm done responding to you.

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How about "just no" to all the bullshit you just spouted? You've contradicted yourself so much I'm not even sure where to start, but I guess I'll go with the part where you continue to not address anything I said in my original post, so congrats on that. You've also made it clear that you didn't even read the initial post or you'd know why I felt the item was viable. I even addressed the part about her being a carry Champion, but you weren't aware of that since you decided to just respond to the title. You gave smug one-liners that addressed nothing because (and you admit now) you thought I was an idiot and wasn't worth giving a real answer. You're riding on such a massive sense of superiority that you think thinly veiled mockery is a valid response, and when I call you on it you call me toxic? I thought hypocrites this big were all on tumblr. You've made it very clear that you came into this thread for no other reason than to inflate your own ego, so I'm done responding to you.

no i responded to your inquiry about whether or not getting a item 2045 on Riven is viable and i gave points on how its not...

now you are upset cuz i assumed that you are smart enough to figure out how its not a good idea thats my bad ... next time i wont assume

ill just know that you arent.

and i have no ego here, i came to your post read your original thoughts on it and simply replayed " no" i didnt call you stupid or names or anything to put you down. you sir or child... yes child... is the one who resorted to being toxic and name calling and you continue to do so...

and plz explain how i contradicted myself... ill wait for an intelligent response... i have faith in you

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just no

Serevas2 votes

It's a poor item choice for anyone who isn't a support or a competitive jungler. Riven finds it an especially poor choice as she's a champion that depends heavily on her stats and ability to snowball, adding an item that has nothing to offer aside from hp, wards, and eventually CDR on active items, doesn't fit in well.

Additionally the cooldown on active items is negligible especially when you're only looking at 2 seconds on Hydra and about 9 seconds on Ghostblade. The reason the cooldown is really good for supports is that most of their active items carry a minimum of a 60 second cooldown, some as much as several minutes.

chippy5122 votes

Its certainly not meta and probably never will be lol. Honestly though who cares about the meta, if you find it good/ fun who cares what anybody else thinks. Meta sheep are scrubs anyways ;p.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

If you mean in terms of just warding in throughout the game in general, its up to personal preference.

As a legit 6th item, this is a serious mistake to do.

OurLestrade1 votes

500 health with no resistances isn't worth a thing I'm afraid :P

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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500 health with no resistances isn't worth a thing I'm afraid :P

I would disagree. Drain/sustain tanks have been a lot stronger than conventional tanks this season, and stacking raw hp with low resistances is a major part of an entire subclass (juggernauts, of course).

Fondling Gems1 votes

You could get it after your first item but I wouldn't upgrade it and I would sell it when you have enough for your 6th item. I would also only get it if your support is being bad about warding. A good support should be able to cover it. If another sightstone is really needed it is better on the jgler.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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You could get it after your first item but I wouldn't upgrade it and I would sell it when you have enough for your 6th item. I would also only get it if your support is being bad about warding. A good support should be able to cover it. If another sightstone is really needed it is better on the jgler.

That makes sense, but I'm not really fond of buying an item just to sell it again if it doesn't give gold gen or have "Doran's" in the name.

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That makes sense, but I'm not really fond of buying an item just to sell it again if it doesn't give gold gen or have "Doran's" in the name.

plz as riven get sighstone 1st in lane ... OMG I BEG OF YOU TO GET item 2045 in lane

Fondling Gems2 votes

It isn't that it is a bad item, it is just that late game the stats on it aren't good. Think of it like a 50 gold item that gave 200 health, 30 AD and 30 AP. That is a really powerful item, but you wouldn't want it as a 6th item.

Sightstone is the same in that it gives a good value for the gold it costs but the raw stats on it are just too meh late game.

Of course that being said I personally still wouldn't buy it on Riven.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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It isn't that it is a bad item, it is just that late game the stats on it aren't good. Think of it like a 50 gold item that gave 200 health, 30 AD and 30 AP. That is a really powerful item, but you wouldn't want it as a 6th item.

Sightstone is the same in that it gives a good value for the gold it costs but the raw stats on it are just too meh late game.

Of course that being said I personally still wouldn't buy it on Riven.

That's fair. I guess "good but not good enough" is probably why nobody but support and like 3 junglers get it. And LeeSin , but he gets an extra stat out of it.

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i must be downvoted by the OP for not agreeing.... hmmm

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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i must be downvoted by the OP for not agreeing.... hmmm

Sure, that makes sense what with me hearing out and replying to multiple people who have disagreed.

Tea Enthusiast1 votes

Lemme fight Irelia and Darius with Sighstone. That will show them. jk When game goes late, i'd sell even boots for a defensive or ad item for Riven. Sometimes feels like there's not enough slots

Calabok1 votes

yea get it. the more dead Riven laying on the ground, the better.

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