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Spent the last 24 hours wrinkling my brain trying to remember how i usually deal vs skilled Fiora's

Valhalla Rising··5 votes·796 views

Ok so exaggerations aside, I finally recalled the way I managed it(from an AP Tank perspective).

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It was my only option, and as I type this It's occurring to me that Garen Chogath and Darius have been much harder to deal with this patch, I mean crazy hard for a full ap tank.

But above all Fiora is becoming a huge problem for me, because 200+ armor and 4-5k HP doesn't stop me from blowing up like a glass cannon, minus the cannon...

I always hated true damage, especially % of my own hp, but it was just tolerable enough with GA as an option on my Tank supps.(note that it was still a struggle to survive long enough to make enough gold to spend on my starting items/vision/boots/cdr/mana etc.etc.....and then finally ga)

But , not anymore, and now Im honestly terrified of true damage.

My predictions, full damage meta again because of GA changes making True damage cheese unmanageable for Anything that can't build GA.

yesterday a full tank cho ulted for roughly 1350 true dmg.. k rito, k...

at least I can retain 20-30% dmg reduction with enough stats vs armor/mr shred.

13 Comments

dominusx2 votes

Vs fiora i do the old special.

Pick Rene rush excutioners shit on her life in lane procced to snowball. When she scales i simply ignore her and try to force big objectives if that deosnt happen i just rely on my team to blow her up while i keep her backline busy. ( Yes fiora counter rene but i'm a really strong renekton player so it doesnt matter how good she is i WILL make her fall behind unless camped.)

She is like Vayne no matter how shit the player is the champ will find a way to become obnoxius due to their kits and the true dmg.

AstroFerrari 2 votes

Learn Tryndamere or Swain. A good Fiora can't touch a good Swain, and Tryndamere has advantages at essentially all points of the game thanks to his heal, his passive, and his ult.

420 grams2 votes

That's her speciality; dealing with CC tanks. I get it sucks getting caught and counter picked, but then the jungler or support have to be tanky to make up having a fighter top lane.

Although I agree the Guardian Angel changes are dumb. Ad doesn't fit the item as well as resistances do.

FYI: investing 800 gold for executioners calling works really well to blow her up quick in team fights.

Chalizard2 votes

The problem is that she is aspecially good against tanks, mages, bruisers, divers, assassins, adcs and supports.

Joxcab2 votes

She is good against any one of them, if the player is good at Fiora. As a duelist should be.

Chalizard2 votes

But she is the best duelist in the game that can solo carry if fed. My problem is that if a champion is great in 1 vs 1 and strong in lane, it should not be also even more powerful in late game. Renekton, pantheon, Camille, they are supposed to be great on lane so their power fall in late game, Fiora's power only rise and shine.

Joxcab1 votes

She can only solo carry if her enemy team is made up of idiots. Her early isn't as strong as people meant to be strong in early like Pantheon. If she wants to get any sort of strength in laning, she needs to work a lot harder for it, nor can she avoid retaliation like the other 3 you listed. Renekton can do his entire mini combo within the stun duration, Pantheon pokes at range with Q and avoids AAs with passive and has a targeted stun, Camille would engage with E stun and W slow at the end to escape.

She scales because she still has to work hard to beat anyone. She has to duel every person she fights. For instance, if Renekton catches someone out of position, he will probably kill them in one rotation within the stun if they're squishy which takes 1-2 seconds maximum. Fiora still had to duel and most likely use her ultimate, and either way with or without ultimate, it will take 4-6 seconds.

Renekton has a lot more AoE and can afford to go a lot tankier than Fiora, but doesn't have any way to counter CC which is why he falls off late. Fiora is still single target and has only one way to counter CC which is her last maxed ability with a reasonably long cooldown.

Why would you 1v1 her lategame? Would you 1v1 Trynd lategame? Would you 1v1 a lategame Yi? Would you 1v1 a lategame Jax?

That's the whole point of having a team.

Chalizard1 votes

Pantheon was created to counter champions early game but he is easy to gank, he has no mobility, only dash to enemy champion and can Block aa but most CCs are not aa so it's No that big problem for jungler.

Trynd has much weaker early, he has no passive to poke you plus his dash doesn't have 2 sec cd and also he is kinda vulnerable for ganks, he is also countered on lane by 50% of topers.

The same with jax, he has only dash to minion or champion or Ward but can be cced and ganked by jungler and it's easy to counter him aswell. Also he can't dodge spell nor burst you in a few seconds after lvl 6 cause you can run from him.

I won't defend master yi, Imo he is even worse, cause except being extremly strong he is also extremly easy.

Renekton can't burst you unless feed, if you counter him he will be screwed, he doesn't scale that good, after his combo which can deal maybe 50% of squishy tatget hp ( unless fed in mid game!) he can't do much within next 10 seconds. Also one good gank before lvl 6 and he will lose against most champions.

Camille is a Little bit stronger lane bully but she scales much worse if not fed than fiora. Plus her job is to be like pantheon or renekton strong in early and weaker in late game or if lost her lane. Fiora can lose lane which is pretty hard aspecially if she knows how to use her ability Block but even without it she is extremly strong in late game not only 1 vs 1 but also in teamfights.

Not to mention her win rate that is much higher from renekton or Camille (fiora has the same win rate as master yi) and lower than pantheon but people pick him to counter champions, so he plays in 90% of games against champion he can destroy easly not like fiora that is often first or second pick.

Joxcab1 votes

That's what wards are for. And whenever the jungler isn't there, he can poke with Q and short burst trades in which they can't effectively retaliate because of his passive, and eventually towerdive given the crit passive he has on Q and autos after they go low health.

Trynd... weaker early... no. He has up to 35% crit chance level 1 and once he gains his full Fury, you're not going to have an easy time getting it to go back down. Once he goes Statikk Shiv, he'll vaporize the wave and he can just ignore you and splitpush for the rest of the game and still be a massive threat. If he gets a single kill, you might as well be done.

Jax is Jax, he's outdated.

Yi is literal trash-tier outside of stomping pub games.

Renekton can easily delete any squishy he jumps on just like any other damage champion. There's almost no one that counters him in lane, because he is literally one of the king lane bullies of said laning.

Camille isn't worth playing. She's just bad.

Fiora has one parry. With a long cooldown. An enemy team has more than one thing she's going to want to parry. If they're not stupid, they're going to force it out first and then hit her with the more important one.

You missed the point. Fiora isn't the top lane bully. She has several matchups where she is forced through hell.

Also, if you try to duel any one of the lategame champions I just listed as someone who isn't equally good at dueling, you're going to die. That's that. It's just that simple.

I Ban Freelo

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Pantheon was created to counter champions early game but he is easy to gank, he has no mobility, only dash to enemy champion and can Block aa but most CCs are not aa so it's No that big problem for jungler.

Trynd has much weaker early, he has no passive to poke you plus his dash doesn't have 2 sec cd and also he is kinda vulnerable for ganks, he is also countered on lane by 50% of topers.

The same with jax, he has only dash to minion or champion or Ward but can be cced and ganked by jungler and it's easy to counter him aswell. Also he can't dodge spell nor burst you in a few seconds after lvl 6 cause you can run from him.

I won't defend master yi, Imo he is even worse, cause except being extremly strong he is also extremly easy.

Renekton can't burst you unless feed, if you counter him he will be screwed, he doesn't scale that good, after his combo which can deal maybe 50% of squishy tatget hp ( unless fed in mid game!) he can't do much within next 10 seconds. Also one good gank before lvl 6 and he will lose against most champions.

Camille is a Little bit stronger lane bully but she scales much worse if not fed than fiora. Plus her job is to be like pantheon or renekton strong in early and weaker in late game or if lost her lane. Fiora can lose lane which is pretty hard aspecially if she knows how to use her ability Block but even without it she is extremly strong in late game not only 1 vs 1 but also in teamfights.

Not to mention her win rate that is much higher from renekton or Camille (fiora has the same win rate as master yi) and lower than pantheon but people pick him to counter champions, so he plays in 90% of games against champion he can destroy easly not like fiora that is often first or second pick.

Camille's weak as shit early lol.

Chalizard1 votes

You do realise that she was meant to be lane bully or duelist. After lvl 6 she can fight almost anyone, she has decent poke plus sustaine and long dash with stun or knock up honestly Idk what is it. But I admit that she is now kinda weak or at least seems to be.

AL0001 votes

Real Issue is her ult give her much speed plus slow you down... which is not funny.

Foria should doesn't have any cc since she has highly mobile and damage.

Parry is most annoying ever... but not hard to avoid.

My simple tip to play against her... pay attention on her casts... make sure she wastes a lot of casts... or watch her movement that will give you some opportunity to burst the damage then away as trading until it's safe to kill her. Pretty similar to Darius' style.

Shuyin1781 votes

Only 1350 true damage from Cho? He must not have been using Gargoyle then.

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