Why is Viktors early game getting insane nerfs?

SwapShadows·Aug 6, 2015·6 votes·1,108 views

It's like you can't be immobile and meta at the same time.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/85-pbe-update.html#more

59 Comments

xJLx MCHammerAug 6, 20157 votes

It's because he is too strong

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20153 votes

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It's because he is too strong

lol

xJLx MCHammerAug 6, 20151 votes

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lol

Lol i know right, it's not like i only have 90% winrate with him. He needed it

I think it's a bit TOO much, but w.e. he will survive

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20152 votes

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Lol i know right, it's not like i only have 90% winrate with him

Lol it's not like you're in gold 5.

oh wait

xJLx MCHammerAug 6, 20151 votes

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Lol it's not like you're in gold 5.

oh wait

Exactly, only in gold 5 and i can already tell

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20154 votes

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Exactly, only in gold 5 and i can already tell

No actually that's the problem, a lot of golds or silvers/bronze try to "tell" a lot of things about champions meanwhile you're playing at an elo where enemies have no idea how to play against most champions.

source: I was bronze/silver/gold

CreationFlawAug 6, 20151 votes

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lol

I mean his perfect hexcore got a slight AP buff full completeion and a 50 mana nerf, so that's something

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20153 votes

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I mean his perfect hexcore got a slight AP buff full completeion and a 50 mana nerf, so that's something

Yea but early game his hexcore is literally non-existant with its shitty AP per level and practically useless mana per level.

333lomAug 6, 20154 votes

Why the hell are people downvoting you, Viktor will have serious trouble in early game if these changes go to live

LuggAug 6, 20154 votes

Insane nerfs? You have to be kidding.

It's a nerf for the first item on AP, but you get mana in return so you can spam spells more. The second nerf is a slight nerf on AP, but an even bigger mana buff. After that it's all buffs. Victor will be stronger mid and late game now.

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20151 votes

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Insane nerfs? You have to be kidding.

It's a nerf for the first item on AP, but you get mana in return so you can spam spells more. The second nerf is a slight nerf on AP, but an even bigger mana buff. After that it's all buffs. Victor will be stronger mid and late game now.

Learn to read, im talking about his early game.

also he's getting less mana.... wtf are you posting nonsense for?

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

Of course they are nerfing his early game because they really buffed his late game. But the nerf isn't that big. Victor mains should be celebrating since it's an overall buff to his game.

Sightless66Aug 6, 20151 votes

This is not a buff. The early and midgame strength of his hex core items is significantly weaker, both in AP and mana. Not only does that make Viktor just a bit passively weaker, but it also delays the point at which he can efficiently buy his midgame hex cores, which delays his ability augments. The very small increase in late game AP is not worth the early and midgame loss. The loss of stats represents a higher percentage of his power at that point of the game than the lategame increase represents at that point of the game.

I mean, this is a good change and a justified nerf, but it is a nerf. Viktor mains should be happy that this is all that happened, but it's still gonna sting.

Vistha KaiAug 6, 20151 votes

+12 AP and -50 mana at level 18.

You really have no idea, do you?

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

That's 180 AP and 450 mana for one item. Name any AP item that is that awesome. The closest is item 3048 and you would have to have 3k mana just to equal it for AP.

Besides, who has mana problems after level 10 anyway.

Vistha KaiAug 6, 20151 votes

item 3089

You say that as if they were about to give Viktor the Hexcore for the first time.

No. They are about to remove it from him for over the half of the match length.

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

Yes, it won't be his first item bought now in the majority of games. But you are forgetting the value of the passive buffs his gets to his abilities when he upgrades them. The 40% damage increase to his Death Ray alone is huge.

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20151 votes

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Yes, it won't be his first item bought now in the majority of games. But you are forgetting the value of the passive buffs his gets to his abilities when he upgrades them. The 40% damage increase to his Death Ray alone is huge.

NO YOU ARE FORCED TO RUSH HIS PERFECT HEXCORE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE LEFT WITH CRAP STATS FOR THE ENTIRE GAME

thats 3k gold you have to sink into getting perfect hexcore and before that you are literally shit.

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

Victor is going to be somewhat weaker early and slightly weaker mid, but still awesome late.

No one is forcing you to build hex core first. You could completely ignore it until mid game and build your other items first. I think this is good for the game since it makes the player use more strategy on what to build.

Victor is still going to be a great champ with these changes. I think you are overreacting is all.

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20151 votes

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Victor is going to be somewhat weaker early and slightly weaker mid, but still awesome late.

No one is forcing you to build hex core first. You could completely ignore it until mid game and build your other items first. I think this is good for the game since it makes the player use more strategy on what to build.

Victor is still going to be a great champ with these changes. I think you are overreacting is all.

no you're forced to rush at least 2 upgrades currently and with the changes he now has to rush that 3rd upgrade.

learn about viktor before mindlessly typing.

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

People rushed the upgrades because there wasn't anything better you could build early. With the improvements to AP items, Victor is going to be ok building something other than core first. Just because you can't stomp lane early doesn't mean he is automatically a bad champion now.

SwapShadowsAug 7, 20151 votes

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People rushed the upgrades because there wasn't anything better you could build early. With the improvements to AP items, Victor is going to be ok building something other than core first. Just because you can't stomp lane early doesn't mean he is automatically a bad champion now.

please stop trying to act like you even know viktors playstyle, it's so fucking annoying.

people rushed upgrades because aftershock helps him clear waves 2x better and Q gives him decent mobility, also how many times do I have to tell you that the new changes FORCE him to get perfect hexcore as a first item because his first 2 upgrades give him piss poor stats.

LuggAug 7, 20151 votes

Evidently you never played Victor before his hex core got reworked. Yeah, aftershock is great, but if you build any good AP item, it will still get the job done. So you definitely aren't forced into anything. Riot is just making it so that you are more likely to buy other AP items first and upgrade core later. Yeah, he's been nerfed early, but it isn't near as bad as you are making it out to be. Victor will still be completely viable.

SwapShadowsAug 7, 20151 votes

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Evidently you never played Victor before his hex core got reworked. Yeah, aftershock is great, but if you build any good AP item, it will still get the job done. So you definitely aren't forced into anything. Riot is just making it so that you are more likely to buy other AP items first and upgrade core later. Yeah, he's been nerfed early, but it isn't near as bad as you are making it out to be. Victor will still be completely viable.

You're ignorant as fuck.

also his old kit has nothing to do with his new one considering it's different. Also you just said viktor doesn't need aftershock? lol that is literally the best upgrade which gives him his insane burst/waveclear.

LuggAug 7, 20151 votes

If he was able to waveclear before aftershock even existed, why wouldn't he will be able to without it. Because the waveclear is where it is useful 90% of the time since players (unless they are idiots) are going to avoid it unless they are CC'd.

We will just have to wait and see how it works. If I'm wrong, i'll be the first one to say so. Can you say the same?

SwapShadowsAug 7, 20151 votes

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If he was able to waveclear before aftershock even existed, why wouldn't he will be able to without it. Because the waveclear is where it is useful 90% of the time since players (unless they are idiots) are going to avoid it unless they are CC'd.

We will just have to wait and see how it works. If I'm wrong, i'll be the first one to say so. Can you say the same?

His aftershock allows him to 1 shot waves at level 7.

also viktors deathray has no cast time.....you can't really avoid something like that most of the time.

LuggAug 7, 20151 votes

I don't think it will with the new changes. You will probably have to wait at least a couple more levels. You would be able to clear with it if you have item 3089 item 3285 . So that may be the better start items. Plus, if you do hex core 3rd, it will hit even harder due to Deathcap being completed. Like I said, we will have to wait and see how it pans out.

As for dodging death ray, you can do it if he doesn't hit you at the start of the cast.

Vistha KaiAug 6, 20151 votes

Which he is forced to buy to not get stuck under the tower for the remainder of the match.

SyndrarellaAug 6, 20152 votes

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LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

He's pretty damn powerful right now and his late game is going to be even better now.

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20154 votes

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He's pretty damn powerful right now and his late game is going to be even better now.

wtf are you smoking, early/mid game is a huge deciding factor if you can even get to late game.

you have to spend 3k gold to get shitty stats just to upgrade your abilities, that's a lot of gold that he's wasting on useless stats.

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

3k gold for possibly the best AP item in the game is shitty? I think we all know who is smoking.

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20154 votes

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3k gold for possibly the best AP item in the game is shitty? I think we all know who is smoking.

oh boy bronze with 0 game knowledge trying to teach me a thing or two about the game and my main champion.

LuggAug 6, 20152 votes

Zero game knowledge, yet I have 4k more lifetime upvotes than you. Wow, you must actually be in the negative for game knowledge then.

BTW, your main champion is Zed. you have about 3 times as many games on him compaired to Vic.

Vistha KaiAug 6, 20151 votes

Zero game knowledge, yet I have 4k more lifetime upvotes than you.

I have over 10 thousand lifetime upvotes and I say you have no game knowledge.

LuggAug 6, 20152 votes

This is an A-B conversation, so C your way out of it.

SwapShadowsAug 6, 20151 votes

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Zero game knowledge, yet I have 4k more lifetime upvotes than you. Wow, you must actually be in the negative for game knowledge then.

BTW, your main champion is Zed. you have about 3 times as many games on him compaired to Vic.

omg stfu, you're trash.

you're in the lowest of elos, my god.

go play club penguin and worry about who has more upvotes elsewhere

LuggAug 6, 20151 votes

Lowest of ELO's on this account.

Just saying.

INoSc0pedJFKAug 6, 20152 votes

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Lowest of ELO's on this account.

Just saying.

If you weren't Bronze, you wouldn't be going negative in your ranked games on that account. So unless you got elo boosted, fuck off.

INoSc0pedJFKAug 6, 20153 votes

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Zero game knowledge, yet I have 4k more lifetime upvotes than you. Wow, you must actually be in the negative for game knowledge then.

BTW, your main champion is Zed. you have about 3 times as many games on him compaired to Vic.

Stop acting like you're good. You're Bronze for a mother fucking reason. Viktor's early game is receiving HEAVY nerfs. Sure, he might be receiving an extra 80 AP at level 18, but that doesn't necessarily make him stronger. If you don't reach late game, this is still a major blow for Viktor's damage. Don't bother replying to me unless you reach Gold or higher. Thanks, nublet.

LuggAug 6, 20152 votes

Well I've had guys ranked way higher than you say i'm good, I'm just wondering how you can say i'm not good considering you have never seen me play.

As for Victor, the nerfs aren't HEAVY. You will just have to build another item or two first before building hex core. Yeah, it's an early game nerf, but Riot did that because he was very strong and this puts in line with most other mages. His mid game will be fine and his late game will be great.

I'm sure you going to go on about the B5 thing since you don't have anything constructive to say, but too bad this is just my fun account.

INoSc0pedJFKAug 7, 20152 votes

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Well I've had guys ranked way higher than you say i'm good, I'm just wondering how you can say i'm not good considering you have never seen me play.

As for Victor, the nerfs aren't HEAVY. You will just have to build another item or two first before building hex core. Yeah, it's an early game nerf, but Riot did that because he was very strong and this puts in line with most other mages. His mid game will be fine and his late game will be great.

I'm sure you going to go on about the B5 thing since you don't have anything constructive to say, but too bad this is just my fun account.

How can I say you're NOT good? You're Bronze. Please link proof of an account HIGHER elo LMFAO. And yes, the nerfs are heavy. And btw, you just ADMITTED THEY ARE NERFS. WAY TO GO! Step 1 is always admittance (:

SwapShadowsAug 7, 20151 votes

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How can I say you're NOT good? You're Bronze. Please link proof of an account HIGHER elo LMFAO. And yes, the nerfs are heavy. And btw, you just ADMITTED THEY ARE NERFS. WAY TO GO! Step 1 is always admittance (:

This guy knows what he's talking about!

LuggAug 7, 20151 votes

Hey, I'm not too proud to not admit when I was wrong. After talking with a few different people with convincing arguments, they are nerfs. But I still say they aren't as big as everyone is saying. Victor will still be completely viable if you know how to play him.

333lomAug 6, 20152 votes

He spends 1k gold on first augment, and gets what, 3 ap per level? In early game? Riot is making a big mistake here.

LuggAug 7, 20151 votes

I think Riots line of thought is to make Vic buy other items early and make hex core a late item.

Vistha KaiAug 6, 20152 votes

AP changes break even at level 17 with Perfect Hexcore.

So he's nerfed for the first 16 levels.

LuggAug 6, 20152 votes

Would you call that an INSANE nerf?

SyndrarellaAug 6, 20153 votes

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SwapShadowsAug 6, 20152 votes