Since you buffed two toxic lane bully Daruis and Rene, Can we have TP CDR back ?

ValiantKiller·May 8, 2019·27 votes·10,320 views

Like very please atleast give us something that we can use to get back in my lane after a dumb toxic champion like and dive us under tower with ignite and run all over other champions in the lane cause we can't get back easily due to huge CDR on TP.

Like right now just can use ignite + PTA not even Conquer plus full combo under our tower and it either result in death under tower or survive with 10% hp left depend on champion.

It not hard to do that right ? Since it all about lane bullies that can abuse Ghost or Ignite or anything due to their huge sustain and damage in lane, atleast give us a legit chance to make a come back in lane by short down the TP CDR.

37 Comments

GalaxyburstzMay 8, 20198 votes

Don't forget Dorans Shield HP Regen Buff / Revert : D

ValiantKillerMay 8, 201912 votes

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Don't forget Dorans Shield HP Regen Buff / Revert : D

And remove item 3161 on the way too if possible

The thigh guyMay 8, 20197 votes

That’d be great. But riots current stance is “but but but. Muh snowball?”

ValiantKillerMay 8, 20195 votes

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That’d be great. But riots current stance is “but but but. Muh snowball?”

There people who defend that Rene and Daruis buffs lol even

FOR JUSTICEMay 8, 20191 votes

i can stand behind renekton buffs actually. not the current buffs he actually got, but that he actually needed buffs.

ValiantKillerMay 8, 20192 votes

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i can stand behind renekton buffs actually. not the current buffs he actually got, but that he actually needed buffs.

And i don't care about buff, i care about lane bully running over me over and over due to short ignite CDR while TP having fat CDR

Z3SleeperMay 8, 20192 votes

TP outscales ignite, just don't feed them.

Simply survive laning phase to deny the enemy snowball until you move into mid game where you can make macro stuff happen with TP advantage.

Additionally, the TP disadvantage means that kills on them puts them very far behind if you shove in after and especially if you take plates.

Ignite is risk/reward. The last nerf it got knocked it down to a reasonable level.

Also PS: PtA is a way better laning burst option for Renekton, so it makes sense that that's what he's running when he's diving you. They run Conqueror for late game survivability and potential 1v3s with Spear. A Conqueror Renekton won't be attempting dives almost ever in lane until they have ult or even until Spear.

The thigh guyMay 8, 20191 votes

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There people who defend that Rene and Daruis buffs lol even

Right!?

There’s a thread going on atm about how Darius isn’t strong enough. Like really? He auto wins from melee. How is that not strong enough?

ValiantKillerMay 8, 20191 votes

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Right!?

There’s a thread going on atm about how Darius isn’t strong enough. Like really? He auto wins from melee. How is that not strong enough?

So bad honestly

BeatzBoyFTWMay 9, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3osrcRT0,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-05-08T23:04:47.151+0000)

Right!?

There’s a thread going on atm about how Darius isn’t strong enough. Like really? He auto wins from melee. How is that not strong enough?

Wins in-lane, but shit in teamfight.

He does win against most melee champions in a 1v1 duel, but becomes a helpless pitbull if he misses a bunch of Qs in teamfights. Although all Darius really need is just the heal buff, the damage buff was unnecessary.

CréamMay 9, 20193 votes

A little ad buff and some more healing makes darius broken now? LOL

ValiantKillerMay 9, 20191 votes

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A little ad buff and some more healing makes darius broken now? LOL

Look at tier champions

sliceruserMay 8, 20192 votes

jesus people grind my gears, renekton was compensated buff because they nerfed him when he already wasn't in a good spot, hes not any stronger then before, if i see one more complaint about him ima shoot myself. darius tho was overbuffed thats fine but that isnt a reason to fix tp, as the reason it was nerfed was mostly because other lanes abused it

SuicidePlankMay 8, 20193 votes

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jesus people grind my gears, renekton was compensated buff because they nerfed him when he already wasn't in a good spot, hes not any stronger then before, if i see one more complaint about him ima shoot myself. darius tho was overbuffed thats fine but that isnt a reason to fix tp, as the reason it was nerfed was mostly because other lanes abused it

How was Darius overbuffed? He doesn't get more resistances, his problems thus still remain and the only thing he got was a bit more healing out of a zone everyone should be able to dodge.

sliceruserMay 8, 20192 votes

darius was in a decent spot before the buffs and has now jumped to an insane banrate and good winrate with some declaring him s+ tier, he was overbuffed, not my opinion but fact

ValiantKillerMay 8, 20193 votes

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jesus people grind my gears, renekton was compensated buff because they nerfed him when he already wasn't in a good spot, hes not any stronger then before, if i see one more complaint about him ima shoot myself. darius tho was overbuffed thats fine but that isnt a reason to fix tp, as the reason it was nerfed was mostly because other lanes abused it

Wasn't in good spot ? Killing a champion under tower within 2 seconds and tank tower shots easily due to R wasn't enough ?

And other abused it ? You mean pro who abuse it not other lanes, let's be real nerfs come for pro play

Not to mention i don't care about their buffs,the post is about tp buff

sliceruserMay 8, 20192 votes

a lot of champions can do that, at least renekton has to be ahead, and renekton is strong early and falls off hard, and at his state before the buff he was getting lanebullied by to many champions even those he countered, he even reached 43% winrate before the compensation buff

ValiantKillerMay 8, 20191 votes

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a lot of champions can do that, at least renekton has to be ahead, and renekton is strong early and falls off hard, and at his state before the buff he was getting lanebullied by to many champions even those he countered, he even reached 43% winrate before the compensation buff

My god no other champion can dive someone under tower and cc them to death within seconds while tanking tower special with 1 item only which is item 3077

sliceruserMay 8, 20193 votes

renekton can only do that if your low hp, thats your fault for staying while low, and you are blissfully unaware of true terror of tower dives from stronger champions, i envy you

KingBlackthorn1May 8, 20192 votes

I truly dont know why they buffed either of them. they needed nerfs not buffs.

ValiantKillerMay 8, 20192 votes

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I truly dont know why they buffed either of them. they needed nerfs not buffs.

Cause Riot logic right now " We buff toxic champions to counter toxic op champions " Instead of "We nerfing toxic op champions so everything be balance and there not many damage output in game"

5StackUltOneShotMay 9, 20192 votes

I dont get these threads about Darius and Renekton. Like yah Renekton is over powered and extremely oppressive Ive faced him a couple of times,Id suggest toning down his W's damage and removing its interaction with Shojin.

Darius bullies tanks pretty well but when the fuck are you getting tower dived by a Darius?

I main this champion and hes relatively squishy until he has 3 items, how are you getting dived? Am I doing something wrong? All these threads mention an invincible champion that cannot be countered I want to know the secret lmao.

ValiantKillerMay 9, 20191 votes

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I dont get these threads about Darius and Renekton. Like yah Renekton is over powered and extremely oppressive Ive faced him a couple of times,Id suggest toning down his W's damage and removing its interaction with Shojin.

Darius bullies tanks pretty well but when the fuck are you getting tower dived by a Darius?

I main this champion and hes relatively squishy until he has 3 items, how are you getting dived? Am I doing something wrong? All these threads mention an invincible champion that cannot be countered I want to know the secret lmao.

Tower diving mostly happen by Rene but still there a big chance a good daruis will keep poking you down till he do that amazing flash q under your tower, you as daruis main you do it and you know you love doing it.

5StackUltOneShotMay 9, 20191 votes

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Tower diving mostly happen by Rene but still there a big chance a good daruis will keep poking you down till he do that amazing flash q under your tower, you as daruis main you do it and you know you love doing it.

Uh no, Im a Darius main in Diamond, I dont get matched with complete apes and they play around me. Im mostly useful Mid/Late game when I get my items and I either get ahead and act as the carry or I serve as utility, build cleaver and go for Flash E plays.

Maybe its difference in who we play against I guess :) (Also fuck me if I know why your trying to shame me for being a Darius main XDDD)

ValiantKillerMay 9, 20191 votes

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Uh no, Im a Darius main in Diamond, I dont get matched with complete apes and they play around me. Im mostly useful Mid/Late game when I get my items and I either get ahead and act as the carry or I serve as utility, build cleaver and go for Flash E plays.

Maybe its difference in who we play against I guess :) (Also fuck me if I know why your trying to shame me for being a Darius main XDDD)

I not shaming you buddy, i'm Urgot main after all ;)

But yah maybe in diamond but blow that in plat, gold and such i see people die to the ghost cheese q flash thing under tower many times.

Colton147147May 8, 20191 votes

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ValiantKillerMay 8, 20191 votes

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Worst lane bully right now, yah

njrk97May 9, 20192 votes

Honestly as a Illaoi , Kled and Yorick main, i wonder why i even bother when other champs just do what they do objectively better. I stepped away from the game for like a year or so, coming back recently but im just being reminded of how nothing is changed. Im tired of Bruisers being in this constant flux of having a handful of OP ones while every other bruiser is trash/ just shut down by whatever oppressive ranged champ is booted out of Mid and bot, or having the entire class be trash because Tanks damage gets buffed high enough to make them redundant until they get nerfed in the ground again and the cycle repeats, because god forbid that maybe buffing everything by giving it more damage is not the best solution 100% of the time.

Honestly it feels like 100% of the problems in this game right now stem from shortened game times screwing over power curves, and runes reforged just slapping some most damage onto specific champs because they wanted runes to feel 'meaningful'. Which as i have said before come from the fact League is exclusivity banking on Twitch and LCS dosh now, so everything must be fun to watch first, and actually balanced second.

ValiantKillerMay 9, 20191 votes

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Honestly as a , and main, i wonder why i even bother when other champs just do what they do objectively better. I stepped away from the game for like a year or so, coming back recently but im just being reminded of how nothing is changed. Im tired of Bruisers being in this constant flux of having a handful of OP ones while every other bruiser is trash/ just shut down by whatever oppressive ranged champ is booted out of Mid and bot, or having the entire class be trash because Tanks damage gets buffed high enough to make them redundant until they get nerfed in the ground again and the cycle repeats, because god forbid that maybe buffing everything by giving it more damage is not the best solution 100% of the time.

Honestly it feels like 100% of the problems in this game right now stem from shortened game times screwing over power curves, and runes reforged just slapping some most damage onto specific champs because they wanted runes to feel 'meaningful'. Which as i have said before come from the fact League is exclusivity banking on Twitch and LCS dosh now, so everything must be fun to watch first, and actually balanced second.

Yorick is useless when Rene dive and melt him under tower easily.

hiyaresMay 9, 20191 votes

well ren and darius are mostly bullies towards tanks which atm are not even viable or playable top lane in even the pro scene unless its a niche pick to counter an enemy strat. sooo yeah it makes them stronger sure yeah but wit hthe current meta pro play just has maybe 1 more pick into the lane top

XJ99999999999999May 9, 20191 votes

I personally hated the TP meta.

way too many swings in the game. cant do certain plays as a jungler due to it.

YaraUwUMay 9, 20191 votes

I mean you could take predator and run back to lane fast. but sense conqurer is in the game thats not an option in top.

Sewer SideMay 9, 20191 votes

As if the buffs were relevant to lane, lmfao

Holy shit you can’t just say “buffs” like they’re all the same power value.

General MattyMay 9, 20191 votes

Renekton is definitely OP right now but Darius still gets rekt by a decent amount of top lane champions since nobody plays tanks.

ValiantKillerMay 9, 20191 votes

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Renekton is definitely OP right now but Darius still gets rekt by a decent amount of top lane champions since nobody plays tanks.

Renekton is worst for me, i will be honest with you i banned him over any other top laner i would rather 1v1 daruis every game over seeing Renekton right now.