Last Whisper items and Black Cleaver passive should not be stackable

FalconPawwwwnch·Apr 28, 2017·6 votes·687 views

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LyingOnLineApr 28, 20172 votes

He's trying to say that they should be mutually exclusive.

TheJakeinatorApr 28, 20171 votes

They are, you cant build two BC or two LW lmao

ME UNGA ME SMASHApr 28, 20171 votes

They're all unique passives...?????

RenownedWheat42Apr 28, 20172 votes

I believe (may be wrong) that OP is saying they should all be the same unique passive, so no BC+LW.

ME UNGA ME SMASHApr 28, 20171 votes

I dunno. If someone has both Cleaver and a LW item in their build, they're sacrificing utility and sustain so they can shred. I don't really see anyone do it so it's not really that big of an issue imo.

SkiasApr 28, 20172 votes

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I dunno. If someone has both Cleaver and a LW item in their build, they're sacrificing utility and sustain so they can shred. I don't really see anyone do it so it's not really that big of an issue imo.

I'd argue that team wide shred + movement speed and grievous wounds is plenty of utility.

Elkington VIApr 30, 20171 votes

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I dunno. If someone has both Cleaver and a LW item in their build, they're sacrificing utility and sustain so they can shred. I don't really see anyone do it so it's not really that big of an issue imo.

Cleaver gives 20% CDR and LW upgrades into Mortal Reminder, which applies grievous wounds on ALL physical damage. That's a ton of utility right there and it's quite easy to fit sustain in there. Nearly every AD caster stacks penetration, which is probably what OP is frustrated about.

NahuiApr 28, 20171 votes

Different items. One stacks armor shred for the whole team, one is armor shred for an individual.

People don't usually build both, unless the enemy team goes heavy armor, which is the point of allowing these items to mix. Maybe if the pros adopted some BC/LW combo that was played every game would it be looked at, but otherwise, it's a rare sight and not all that effective anyways.

FalconPawwwwnchApr 28, 20172 votes

Lucian buys both every game

SkiasApr 28, 20171 votes

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Lucian buys both every game

So that you can decimate squishies and tanks without sacrificing anything.

SkiasApr 28, 20171 votes

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Different items. One stacks armor shred for the whole team, one is armor shred for an individual.

People don't usually build both, unless the enemy team goes heavy armor, which is the point of allowing these items to mix. Maybe if the pros adopted some BC/LW combo that was played every game would it be looked at, but otherwise, it's a rare sight and not all that effective anyways.

BC decimates low armor champs too. It's not bonus armor, its total armor shred.

NahuiApr 30, 20171 votes

The difference between cutting down 250 armor and cutting down 60 armor is massive. The armor shred isn't worth it for squishies for what you're buying it for. It works on all, as it should (Why should squishies be allowed to keep all their base armor just because they're not tanks?), but much worse against squishies.

The Lost MarblesApr 28, 20171 votes

The only way I can think of to make this work in a way that isn't just arbitrarily making the two unable to coexist in the same build (like the two Hydras, only here it wouldn't make any real sense because BC is significantly different from the LW upgrades) would be to make LW and its upgrades only apply the penetration to your basic attacks and have it scale the way Lethality does (as in, increases based on the target's level).

Essentially making LW and crew focused on letting the hyper-scaling AD/AS auto-attackers chew through tanks late-game_(which is what they're supposed to do, mind you)_, while Black Cleaver remains the go-to option for AD casters.

Just a thought.