lol at people saying that morde is weak

UdoIkOSc4u·Aug 21, 2015·51 votes·3,043 views

i got a penta against bots cause they stood next to me

61 Comments

LuggAug 21, 201522 votes

He is a monster if he is in melee range. The problem is that Riot is forcing him into a lane where he can't get into melee range against anyone who is even semi-competent.

KingsgraveAug 21, 20153 votes

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He is a monster if he is in melee range. The problem is that Riot is forcing him into a lane where he can't get into melee range against anyone who is even semi-competent.

His Q hurts so much.

Yeah I don't think Morde bot will ever work, just like how they tried to make Tahm go top and it still sucks and I doubt there is anything they can do to buff it without breaking Tahm as a support.

Honestly just the idea of his kit rework alone is actually pretty rad for Mordekaiser. If they made his W usable for half effects on minions it would make him incredibly interesting thematically and give him a unique dragon control niche as a Top Laner.

RetillinAug 22, 20153 votes

If I recall, Meddler (I think) said Tahm was supposed to be a top at first. And then was changed a bit to be a support.

Rew711Aug 22, 20151 votes

It all depends on who's playing who. If you know what you're doing and you're a support top, like me as Taric top, you will do fine (even if your foe is a OP Renekton).

Chicken SailorAug 22, 20152 votes

I main Tahm Kench and I love taking him top, obviously he's no Riven or anything but he certainly doesn't suck if you know what to do

Big LincolnAug 21, 20154 votes

i don't see why people think solo lane mord is unusable

he works 100% fine mid

Adrian UmbraAug 21, 20155 votes

85% fine mid since you're down 1/5 of his kit in the laning phase without a jungler gank.

This was mostly a joke, solo lane Morde is alright, but he's somewhat reliant on having someone around to access a significant part of his kit and has otherwise been largely nerfed from last patch in comparison.

Edit: I know that 4/5 = 80%. There's more to the game than just laning phase, so I added in a rough extra 5% for extra humor.

Big LincolnAug 21, 20153 votes

you don't need W at all, it's not that important to him anymore outside of helping a gank in a solo lane

E max is better than people are giving credit for because your naturally high AD makes up for some of the lost base damage

Adrian UmbraAug 21, 20154 votes

You're still effectively down a portion of your kit, like with Soraka and Leona whenever they're played outside of a duo lane. Not exactly encouraging.

Being one of the ones who did the math on it during the period where it hit the PBE, unless you build AD (and thus forsake potential AP), E max first is strictly worse for damage than last patch. Yes, you're not down an enormous amount of damage like the base numbers would suggest, but you're also not making it out ahead, even at level 18 (And especially not at level 9).

Which is why I've made it my habit to max Q first for the absurd ratios and burst and let the new AD ratios on E combined with the bonus shield for hitting champions carry that ability instead. Feel free to disagree, but that's where I've found a large portion of my success since so much power has been loaded there now.

The LovelessAug 21, 20151 votes

Yeah well, Kalista doesn't do damage on her W's passive without a partner, and she has no ult without a partner either. She still does just fine with her other tools when by herself.

Raid Boss MordeAug 21, 20151 votes

That's because of her passive and Rend. She also has a W active when she's not by her teammate.

7ballAug 22, 20151 votes

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Yeah well, Kalista doesn't do damage on her W's passive without a partner, and she has no ult without a partner either. She still does just fine with her other tools when by herself.

lol omg youre comparing morde to kalista LOL

BakedLotionAug 22, 20151 votes

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You're still effectively down a portion of your kit, like with Soraka and Leona whenever they're played outside of a duo lane. Not exactly encouraging.

Being one of the ones who did the math on it during the period where it hit the PBE, unless you build AD (and thus forsake potential AP), E max first is strictly worse for damage than last patch. Yes, you're not down an enormous amount of damage like the base numbers would suggest, but you're also not making it out ahead, even at level 18 (And especially not at level 9).

Which is why I've made it my habit to max Q first for the absurd ratios and burst and let the new AD ratios on E combined with the bonus shield for hitting champions carry that ability instead. Feel free to disagree, but that's where I've found a large portion of my success since so much power has been loaded there now.

problem is that you're never getting into melee range. But what do i know, every single time i play him im vs kalista and vayne

Salt Miner 49 ErAug 21, 20151 votes

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you don't need W at all, it's not that important to him anymore outside of helping a gank in a solo lane

E max is better than people are giving credit for because your naturally high AD makes up for some of the lost base damage

You're a damned fool if you think 78 health per cast is better than the 20/24 that his Q takes from him for sustainability in a solo lane.

Big LincolnAug 21, 20154 votes

good luck landing it vs anyone with ranged in mid lane?

terkmcAug 22, 20151 votes

And in there lies the problem. His new E is roughly the same as his old E. His new Q now basically never lands on the opposing mid laner. He lost his W as a midlaner. He has 3/5 of his kit in the midlane

UltraSceptileAug 21, 20152 votes

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85% fine mid since you're down 1/5 of his kit in the laning phase without a jungler gank.

This was mostly a joke, solo lane Morde is alright, but he's somewhat reliant on having someone around to access a significant part of his kit and has otherwise been largely nerfed from last patch in comparison.

1/5 is 20%, so you would only have 80% of his kit in a solo lane.

I'm sorry I just kind of get annoyed when people make mistakes with fractions.

ks916Aug 21, 20152 votes

He doesn't have the wave clear he used to for mid a decent mid, also its a lot more easier to get poked than before since you can't keep the shield up as much atm. I guess he would be a decent top vs melee, but than the problem is the same as before no gank assistance on him and no way to get out when u get ganked.

Big LincolnAug 21, 20151 votes

that's wrong, sorry

his shield generation is slightly worse vs minions, but you get way more shield than before with E because on top of the 25% of damage dealt, you get a 15% shield for hitting a champion, and you can't decay below 25% shield. mord counters mid-lane assassins extremely hard now, even more than pre-rework imo. I'd say the only real issue is Leblanc only because she's ranged. Zed Katarina Akali Talon Diana are all melee, and you have a bigger AA reach than all of them, meaning you can harass them through the waves with your Q and you will beat them in extended trades, which is what a lot of them are forced to do because you're too tanky to burst down with just your shield

top lane mord maxes Q, so you shouldn't have any issue at all with controlling the lane

JedenVojakAug 22, 20151 votes

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that's wrong, sorry

his shield generation is slightly worse vs minions, but you get way more shield than before with E because on top of the 25% of damage dealt, you get a 15% shield for hitting a champion, and you can't decay below 25% shield.

Except he actually has less total shield now than before.

mord counters mid-lane assassins extremely hard now, even more than pre-rework imo.

What about mid-lane everyone else?

Big LincolnAug 22, 20151 votes

maybe if you don't build any health?

but last i checked the majority of his best items now give him that exact stat that gives him more shield

He does well vs most anyone mid, he has the same struggling match-ups and I've been able to overcome them just the same

JedenVojakAug 22, 20151 votes

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maybe if you don't build any health?

but last i checked the majority of his best items now give him that exact stat that gives him more shield

He does well vs most anyone mid, he has the same struggling match-ups and I've been able to overcome them just the same

Traditionally (this was pre rework, mind) my early game buys were item 3145 item 3020 and item 3136 , and felt decent enough in terms of sustained fighting capability. He could do this because all of his abilities hit in AOE's for lots of collateral damage - so even 1v2 or 1v3 it was no problem.

He lost 2 of his AOE abilities, and his damage is all single target now, so I feel like he can't keep his shield going anymore.

7ballAug 22, 20151 votes

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i don't see why people think solo lane mord is unusable

he works 100% fine mid

lol for sure he is, all morde has in solo lane is his stupid Q that youll NEVER get 3 hits on anyone in solo lane E does 0 dmg and W as we know cannot even be used pls tell me how is morde supposed to beat any champ in solo lane

Big LincolnAug 22, 20152 votes

his E does 155 (.6 AD) (.6 AP) damage

that's more than 0 iirc

Meep ManAug 21, 20153 votes

He is really dependent on having a synergizing Support. If it isn't Leona, Nautilus, Thresh, Blitzcrank, or Zilean, it will be a harder lane. Nami can work as well. Zilean works because if he takes the experience mastery, the lane ends up having a huge XP advantage.

CasterGilgameshAug 22, 20151 votes

Braum

JustMyBassCannonAug 21, 20153 votes

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i got a penta against bots

"I got bullseyes on standing targets!"

Congratulations.

Avarosa Guide MeAug 21, 20152 votes

If you get an early drag at level 6 as morde you can take bot turret no prob. This is coming from a support main that has had to support these bastard morde adcs. If they can't take the first drag you are pretty screwed.

ArkenStormAug 21, 20152 votes

"against bots" Do you know who I got a penta with against bots? everybody in the freaking game, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO: Leona Thresh Nautilus Alistar Bard Blitzcrank Braum DrMundo Galio Janna Nami Soraka Taric

Against bots means nothing.

EDIT: boy am I an idiot. I missed the /kappa implied. EDIT 2: IDK if you could tell, but I'm a tad bitter about the rework.

KingopantsAug 21, 20152 votes

Seriously, You can Penta bots with Singed since when they get low they will beeline towards their base and you can just run in front of them.

ArkenStormAug 21, 20151 votes

IDK why I'm getting downvoted, but yeah. I have gotten a penta against bots with LITERALLY every champion in the game. Bots aren't hard....at all.

JedenVojakAug 22, 20151 votes

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IDK why I'm getting downvoted, but yeah. I have gotten a penta against bots with LITERALLY every champion in the game. Bots aren't hard....at all.

I think Annie bot has something to say about that.

Those bots are stupid in their decision making but they have inhuman reflexes.

CastmanAug 21, 20152 votes

Yeah I don't know why people say Twitch is weak either. I got a penta because they stood in a line

Troy242621Aug 21, 20151 votes

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Yeah I don't know why people say is weak either. I got a penta because they stood in a line

Anivia I don't see the problem, either. In other news, the enemy is JarvanIV , and he's helping.

FistOfSharkieshaAug 22, 20151 votes

I can see a Morde duo top. He either gets first blood or forces the enemy jg to lane.

7ballAug 22, 20151 votes

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I can see a Morde duo top. He either gets first blood or forces the enemy jg to lane.

I agree duo top lane is the only real option for morde, thats the only way he doesnt get massacred as in solo top vs any champ or duo bot vs real adc

ShénzhìAug 22, 20151 votes

They referring to his immobility as juggernauts were intended to be ... yet Garen and Skarner don't make sense.

JustBoneBrookAug 22, 20151 votes

MORDE WEEK HAHAHAHAHA his OP Q IS JUST BROKE (deal 900 damage lvl 12 or something whit a like 4 sec cooldown) it like a ulti whit low cooldown.

GorgannanAug 22, 20151 votes

I did a custom match me v 5 bots. Draven pentakill. If you don't get a pentakill against bots, I'd place you somewhere around s4.

ArkenStormAug 22, 20151 votes

s standing for silicon? ;)

Cloud PotatoAug 22, 20151 votes

Morde's W does 380 damage at level 1. Without any AP. On top of the heal and MS boost. You can't make this shit up.

terkmcAug 22, 20152 votes

Over the duration, if the enemy somehow is dumb enough to stay in the overlapping zone for the entire duration. Good luck every pulling that off

CasterGilgameshAug 22, 20151 votes

Leona Braum Thresh Blitzcrank help

MLDzXnRRRAug 22, 20151 votes

Morde lost 100 base dmg from his E. Most of your dmg comes from there. It's almost impossible to Q a carry (only if you blow a flash)...

ezreal stinksAug 22, 20151 votes

item 3153 item 3009 item 3053 item 3022 item 3742 item 3078

try this.

StoryDuckAug 22, 20151 votes

He is very powerful, almost too powerful with engaging supports like Blitz, thresh, and Leona. The amount of tankiness and the ability to just charge in is ridiculous. Had a game against a blitz mord combo and it was crazy. It wasn't just that blitz would hook, instead they used blitz W with Mord W allowing them both to charge right through the minions. you can't engage on them yourself, and if you kite back they will then get to the other side of your minions for a clear shot with blitz Q. All at the same time clearing the minion wave with the double damage W from mord. It was an insane level of pressure, every time Jinx and I (as lulu) tried to get farm they would repeat the tactic of just casting W to charge us. We got first blood as they tried that under turrent and killed the minions too quick allowing the turrent shots to do the damage but it didn't matter as jinx was 20 cs behind to the 40 of mord. Blitz rarely used his Q as it just kept the pressure on preventing jinx from farming when he did use it it gave us a small window to deal some damage and get some CS. True, the jungler could have helped earlier but...it was just insane how powerful mord is with engage supports.

Solari FortuneAug 22, 20151 votes

I just had a Morde Supp, it was pretty awesome. Especially when he would leave and the enemy thought he was warding then he would come back to lane with a Dragon in tow http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1926921545/213411324?tab=overview

Jarrito232Aug 22, 20151 votes

"Against bots" -Draveeeeeeeeeeen

kcdapimpAug 22, 20151 votes

I find his use better in the jungle. He farms easily ,and because of his experience share going to lane to push down early towers works really well.

LordKentravyonAug 23, 20151 votes

I actually though I was going to get a penta on him, earlier today when I played on a heavy tank team. Got a triple and there was no way the other two were getting away. Unfortunately our equally fed voli decided he wanted the last two and saved his bite to finish em. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1927466027/201274944?tab=stats