Twitch's most broken mechanic is his ability to delete the enemy carries from 850 range.

Aimléss·Feb 3, 2018·18 votes·2,727 views

Even the highest ranged ADCs like Caitlyn, Jinx and Tristana could be standing back AA'ing a tank who engaged on their team, but Twitch would just appear and 100-0 them instantly late game and there's nothing they can do about it. Now it's an instant 5v4, game over. The only thing a squishy can do when the enemy engages and Twitch is MIA is stand far away from the fight, so basically a Maokai could even get a free engage on your tank and his team is just gonna melt him while your carries have to stand back in fear of Twitch and your tank dies. Either way it ends up as a 5 v 4, a flat out win-win for Twitch.

The champion is unhealthy, no matter who stands at the top of the ADC meta, you can bet Twitch is at least somewhere near them, if not, he's the top dog, and it's been that way for years now.

39 Comments

MíelláFeb 3, 20188 votes

I can understand on why you think that its broken, but comparing Twitch's ult to Cait's auto range is kinda stupid. One is something a champ has from the beginning, the other one is an ultimate that is supposed to be impactful. Honestly I don't even understand why only Twitch is broken, when in reality every adc has the ability to kill everyone in a few seconds. Take Kog for example, that also can outrange Caitlyn by using his W, which deals % health damage. This whole meta is stupid as shit anyway rn.

AimléssFeb 3, 20183 votes

If Caitlyn could drop to 550 AA range, but gain stealth and a temporary bump to 850, I think she'll fucking take it lmao are you kidding me?

I don't see one champion that wouldn't want 850 range ult and stealth. Highest ranged AA's in the game coupled with maybe the strongest mechanic in stealth.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 3, 20182 votes

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If Caitlyn could drop to 550 AA range, but gain stealth and a temporary bump to 850, I think she'll fucking take it lmao are you kidding me?

I don't see one champion that wouldn't want 850 range ult and stealth. Highest ranged AA's in the game coupled with maybe the strongest mechanic in stealth.

if Cait did that then she would be one of the worst champions in the entire game. Sorry but a temporary buff to her range and some stealth that will break when she does anything is not something she wants. Her entire kit defies everything about her wanting stealth.

You can cry all you want about Twitch but don't come here saying dumb things like "X champion would take a hit to their attack range so they can get a temporary range buff and a pointless stealth that does not work at all with the kit"

AirKingNeoFeb 4, 20181 votes

yeah, anyone would because you didn't take into account the power budget of their kits.

Pierce The VealFeb 3, 201811 votes

The thing is 850 outranges all adc's, hence he basically gets an auto or two off before they can fight back, and by then the fight is over.

Basically adc's are experiencing with twich what melees experience with ADC's.

vgamedudeFeb 3, 20189 votes

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Basically adc's are experiencing with twich what melees experience with ADC's.

Lmao this is perfect

Pierce The VealFeb 5, 20181 votes

Yep :D

Jinx HunterFeb 4, 20184 votes

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The thing is 850 outranges all adc's, hence he basically gets an auto or two off before they can fight back, and by then the fight is over.

#**Basically adc's are experiencing with twich what melees experience with ADC's. **

Good, let them feel the burn for once.

NiceTryViFeb 4, 20182 votes

the issue is that it makes it doubly bad for melees too cause its even more range to cross to get on him

Pierce The VealFeb 5, 20182 votes

Doesn't make being melee suck any less.

Jinx HunterFeb 5, 20181 votes

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Doesn't make being melee suck any less.

Don't I know it. But makes me feel better to know that other ranged are getting dicked over too. Trist is also nearly the same bullshit too.

Pierce The VealFeb 5, 20181 votes

Yeah I can take solace in that as well.

I lit your babyNov 1, 20181 votes

when in reality every adc has the ability to kill everyone in a few seconds.

inb4 i check you at op gg and see gold/silver

UPD: How surprisingly

SHANK LUX MAINSFeb 3, 20186 votes

I lost to a fed twitch that 1 shot me so must be broken

AimléssFeb 4, 20182 votes

Actually, I beat the last Twitch I fought, I was Trist so whenever he popped up I immediately rocket jumped away, yet hilariously I was left with 10% hp every single time. If Safe-stana Tristana can barely escape then I don't think any other ADC stands a chance.

PS Even though I got away I was still forced out of the fight, it's seriously win-win for Twitch lol.

JackMcSnipeyzFeb 4, 20182 votes

Tris is just as cancer with her jump resets and knockback. At least when twitch pops in i can engage him without having him hop around and knock me all over.

woppaiFeb 5, 20181 votes

cant engage on him if your team is ded xd. even by the time you do notice him and decide to engage on him, you or ur team or whoever he was aiming for is prolly ded. and if twitch is smart, he would go in after you guys already went in so that you have no more engage/cc on to use on him :/

AimléssFeb 5, 20181 votes

That's the point I was making. If Tristana can barely escape from him, no one stands a chance.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 3, 20185 votes

but Twitch would just appear and 100-0 them instantly late game

no this is more the issue, not just his range.

IMO he shouldn't have stealth, AND 850 range. the combination of the 2 is really the main issue.

HowAboutWeNautFeb 4, 20181 votes

But the whole problem is with that is what else would you give him then? His stealth and his ult is basically his entire power budget as a champion taking up 90% of the power he's allotted. What would you want to upgrade his E so people complain about how they have no counter play to just get grey screened off his expunge or make his W slow on the same level as say a Graves smokescreen?

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 4, 20182 votes

he does not need the 850 range, that can Easily be removed and he would probably be just fine, half the time twitch appears within 500 range of u any way, the main issues is he blowing up ENTIRE teams while AAing the closest target.

But possible compensation buffs could be increased AS for the ult duration, or maybe allow his passive to stack up to 10 times during is ult, or double the damage of his passive, or increased damage per stack of his passive that is on an enemy, or maybe increased AS per stack on an enemy.

There are many solutions to compensational buffs if the removal of the range increase is to much.

His stealth and his ult is basically his entire power budget as a champion taking up 90% of the power he's allotted

This is the failure of RIOT and their balance/design teams. There is a reason champions have 1 passive, 3 basic abilities and 1 ultimate (Except rare cases like Jayce Nidalee Elise Udyr ) 90% of there allotted budged SHOULD NOT be in 2 Abilities, this is a MAJOR failure in design/balance and makes it virtually impossible to balance a champion. Usually resulting in that champion being in 1 of 2 extremes, broken strong or broken weak. For example if a bridge has 4 Columns, and you put 90% of your allotted steel into 2 of those 4 the bridge will fail. Take a look at champions who have their power all in 1 or 2 abilities and you will see that they are almost always problem child's.

The scary part is that Riot never learns from this and continues to make champions with ALL their power in 1 or 2 abilities Zoe

ShablagooFeb 3, 20184 votes

You are just realizing this? Twitch has been broken since season 7 honestly this champion has been beyond broken for a while now.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 4, 20182 votes

It's an adc so it's not a problem for riot. Also riot said he is only broken in soloQ so he doesnt need nerfs. SoloQ is not important anymore apparently.

Douglas FunnieFeb 4, 20184 votes

Just dodge his ult.

T4underboltFeb 4, 20181 votes

I hope it's sarcasm.

TheChamqionNov 1, 20181 votes

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Just dodge his ult.

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RatpieFeb 3, 20183 votes

Actually, his range doesn't annoy me half as much as popping out of nowhere with item 3124 item 3085 and killing a whole team with AA's in less than 3 seconds. There are a couple items I would not mind seeing gone, namely item 3147 . I find that champs I get most annoyed at are the ones that rely on one of those items.

AimléssFeb 3, 20183 votes

Stealth assassination is dumb, the fact that he gives no notification like Rengar and Eve is retarded, but it's not like those champs don't also one shot from stealth. It's the range that makes Twitch overtuned.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 4, 20181 votes

Already suggested it a few times, the main complain I see here on the boards is that you don't get a warning about an invisible approaching Twitch.

So I think they could add something to his camouflage: If Twitch is in x range around you in camouflage, your screen gets a green gas boarder. It would warn you that he is around, but without giving away his exact position. And it would fit thematically, you can't see him, but you can smell him.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 3, 20187 votes

Twitch doesn't build Rageblade, no idea how you came up with that. And I like Ruunan's, it offers some interesting kit interactions like Jinx' triple AoE rockets, Twitch' triple pierce or additional spear stacking for Kalista.

Just for the sake of Jinx alone I would already keep that item.

The Great DivideFeb 4, 20182 votes

Just for the sake of Jinx alone I would already keep that item.

No one, but jinx players, finds this synergy between rockets and runanns interactive, healthy, or fun.

AirKingNeoFeb 4, 20182 votes

Jinx got hurricane rocket synergy years after jinx was added to the game.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 4, 20182 votes

What you call interesting is cancer for everyone else.

AirKingNeoFeb 4, 20181 votes

Why would you want Hurricane gone?

Ahri BakaFeb 4, 20183 votes

That's why I can't believe that he has 51% winrate he wins 90% of matches I see him there I'm an Ahri main , she is half assassin kind of , so my mission is to assassinate the enemy's adc , but suddenly , he pops up and takes half of my ho before I realize ,when I try to dash to kill him , it's over , he just picks a position to assassinate the carries , not going for the tanks in the fronlines , it might be risky but it always works for him and I hate it how when I play Lux and my Q actually hit him , I'm supposed to be awarded for that , Then I ult but sadly it takes 1 second to activate , and I'll be dead in that 1 second

AS I LAY FEEDINGFeb 3, 20182 votes

We are in a meta where every adc kills everyone. Why do you only complain about twitch when you are supposed to complain about every adc. have a nice day.

MuzétFeb 4, 20182 votes

The most broken thing is his 450 stealth radius range while he is a 550 ranged champion.

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 4, 20181 votes

Twitch's most broken mechanic is how everyone seems to play like a retard against him.

You see a stealth champion missing, and you can't easily and with 100% certainty account for his location, and he's definitely able to kill you, what do you do? Do you:

A) Continue fighting, B) Push further, or C) Back the hell off?

If your answer was anything but C, you would have lost to anyone. Not just stealth-based champions. Anyone at all. From Aatrox to Zyra , Rakan to Zoe . AD assassin, AP assassin, tank, juggernaut, enchanter, ADC, AD caster, warden, diver, skirmisher, bruiser, artillery mage, battle mage, kiting mage, or even a sentient potato. You couldn't have beaten any of them if they played intelligently, because it's common knowledge to back off when someone that can kill you is unaccounted for.