Quinn, Ryze, and Graves top are awful to play against.

Pyrithegethon·Feb 6, 2016·14 votes·1,759 views

Just a reminder to anybody that encounters them top lane.

55 Comments

J EpsteinFeb 6, 201615 votes

atleast quinn has mana costs and has to build full damage unlike some other champs Fiora

LlaniteFeb 6, 20163 votes

You can poke Fiora with a ranged champ. Not the case with Quin.

MelledoneusFeb 6, 20161 votes

Fiora is almost as mobile as Riven. You can't tell me a ranged champion can poke her out of lane and get away with it.

LlaniteFeb 6, 20161 votes

Riven has 4 dash and a stun, Fiora has one dash and a slow. Not even a valid comparison.

I poke her just fine as Teemo and Swain. Those with dashes should have even better chance, shoot her if within range, dash if she dashes. Repeat as needed.

MelledoneusFeb 6, 20161 votes

A good Fiora never loses lane. Ever. Unless she was camped by the enemy jungler, and sometimes even then it's not enough.

LlaniteFeb 7, 20161 votes

Then must be rare, since most Fiora I met failed lane miserably against ranged champ.

MelledoneusFeb 7, 20161 votes

Hm... you would think you'd see one or two good Fioras in Gold...

I mean, I'm in Bronze and I've seen Fioras who know what they're doing. I've played this game for 3 seasons and learned its ins and outs, and I still can't wrap my head around beating Fiora in lane with a tank or anybody squishy. You need something ridiculously powerful like Darius or Renekton, who basically get shafted by her once she gets 3 AD items.

LlaniteFeb 7, 20161 votes

There are 2 key elements less experienced top tend to overlook:

1/ Fiora heals, a lot, if she hits your vital (plus undying keystone), if you fail to kite, she'll get half of her pool back while you lose your half. 2/ She has one slow and one dash to keep someone in combat, and her dash has its cd reduced when she hits you. In order word, once she starts hitting you, she'll become very sticky.

To sum up, the key is NOT letting her hit you at all, which is doable with a ranged champ, dash right when she dashes and you'll have 6 second to harass her at your convenient. If she starts hitting you and have her slow applied, your chance drops dramatically.

MelledoneusFeb 7, 20161 votes

Her ultimate gives her a massive speed boost towards her target, so good luck kiting that. Not to mention that her parry can easily help her catch up to an ADC because of its slow. Her Q's cooldown is very low, and if you get ganked you're good as dead.

Not to mention she can easily tower dive you at 6 because AoE heals.

LlaniteFeb 7, 20161 votes

You can simply dash away and it will fall off, no one fights with the opponent's ult on. It's common sense, do you fight Jax during his ult? Trundle? Yi? Why would you fight Fiora during her ult?

Her parry roots herself for 0.75s and you can sidewalk it. Common bronze mistake: try to outrun a skill shot, don't, really, just move out of it.

Her Q has 8s CD unless she hits you with it, which then has 3s CD. The thing has 400 range, while most adc has 500+, i.e. it should not hit you. Here's the tip: if she moves to the direction the vital points towards, she's going to Q and you should back off.

SHe cannot heal unless she hits all 4 vitals, i.e. you let someone move 360 degree around you, hit you 4 times, under your own tower. You are every Fiora wet dream.

MelledoneusFeb 7, 20161 votes

She can cancel her dash with a parry. You can't dodge something point blank if you're an immobile champion.

Dasdi96Feb 6, 20168 votes

As expected, we have a darius main who complains about champions who counter him.

TroiannFeb 6, 20168 votes

More like any melee champion.

Graves and Quinn are literally unkillable if you're melee without at least three dashes.

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 6, 20166 votes

Um, Quinn main here (ADC but still), and I have been killed by plenty of melee champions

Only Play DariusFeb 6, 20162 votes

So you're bad?

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 6, 20168 votes

No. It just means that other people can play better then me, and still get the drop on me.

Contrary to what everyone on this board seems to think, Quinn is not some invulnerable champion. She is a squishy champion with nearly entirely single target damage.

You want to win against her? You capitalize on those weaknesses, and stop trying to fight Quinn where she is strongest, 1v1 duels, unless you are an equally strong duelist or can burst her down fast enough

AHeroNamedHawkeFeb 6, 20161 votes

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No. It just means that other people can play better then me, and still get the drop on me.

Contrary to what everyone on this board seems to think, Quinn is not some invulnerable champion. She is a squishy champion with nearly entirely single target damage.

You want to win against her? You capitalize on those weaknesses, and stop trying to fight Quinn where she is strongest, 1v1 duels, unless you are an equally strong duelist or can burst her down fast enough

You know that top is a 1v1 lane right

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 6, 20165 votes

You know that you and your lane opponent aren't the only people on the map right

AHeroNamedHawkeFeb 6, 20161 votes

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You know that you and your lane opponent aren't the only people on the map right

"Have your jungler lane with you and pray you don't get 2v2'd" is pretty good counterplay yes

Only Play DariusFeb 6, 20163 votes

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"Have your jungler lane with you and pray you don't get 2v2'd" is pretty good counterplay yes

Hey that's how you beat old Darius and he was garbage back then

AHeroNamedHawkeFeb 6, 20161 votes

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Hey that's how you beat old and he was garbage back then

As it turns out Quinn is a ranged ADC that scales hard, while Darius was a steroidless tank that stole all the kills

RogueWillFeb 6, 20164 votes

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More like any melee champion.

Graves and Quinn are literally unkillable if you're melee without at least three dashes.

or you know.... Poppy

MhihnjFeb 6, 20161 votes

my solution: Diana jungle gank if its a good Diana then she gets at least 3 dashes

Phoenix Kotori Feb 6, 20161 votes

Poppy, Rene, and Wukong can all play into her fine.

Phoenix Kotori Feb 6, 20161 votes

They also play Illaoi, so it's like 'please pick melee into and suffer and give me my free lane, why don't you give me my free lane :('

J E B A ł T E DFeb 6, 20167 votes

Every time Quinn goes toplane, somebody gets cancer...

Pika310Feb 6, 20163 votes

Almost always her own teammates.

Shadow GilgameshFeb 6, 20166 votes

I'd believe Ryze and Graves with the permaroot and Graves being top in 3 roles, but take poppy against quinn top and you insta win

morris1Feb 6, 20166 votes

-Tried Quinn top -Got camped -Fed -Went tank with Deadmans -2000 MS That's the only achievement I got that game.

LithiumWednesdayFeb 6, 20165 votes

Darius Alright time to farm up those boots Graves Q :^) Darius Well, I had to back, but I can farm under my tower Graves Q :^) Darius Finally, I've grabbed him and can fight! Graves Q :^)

CalabokFeb 6, 20164 votes

ORLY??

Sire HippingtonFeb 6, 20163 votes

so are most ranged champions if you play a no-assasin melee...

KyrrionFeb 6, 20162 votes

See Ryze? Pick Galio.

MelledoneusFeb 6, 20161 votes

Ryze ults

Galio "Hey, thanks for the heal, man! I was low on HP, anyway!"

SeargentAnusFeb 6, 20162 votes

You think those are bad? Say hello to Heimerdinger / Teemo

ViashinoWizardFeb 6, 20168 votes

A good number of top laners can walk all over Teemo.

Yuumi or LoseFeb 6, 20161 votes

And not to mention Heimers turrets are paper. One trundle Q one shots the turrets.

Steel BlossomFeb 6, 20161 votes

Talon main here and Heimer is my favorite lane. When I all-in you, I oneshot you and your turrets at the same time. I also boiled these noodles in the tears of the last Heimer that I played against.

TaoistMasterFeb 6, 20161 votes

the donger made a huge mistake if he put his turrets too close to be AOE'ed by talon.

A smart donger should take a huge smelly dump on talon any day.

Steel BlossomFeb 6, 20161 votes

eh, if its out of range to be AOE'ed by me, it's also out of range to hit me. And a smart donger doesn't die to me, but a smart donger can't really kill me when I just let every wave come into tower and farm there.

TaoistMasterFeb 6, 20161 votes

you should just roam unless the donger is dumb

Steel BlossomFeb 6, 20161 votes

Lol most donger are overconfident in their turrets and actually want to be ganked for that double kill. So I burst him and his small turrets, and jungler smites his big one, and that usually gets us a free kill at least twice. Then I roam bot/top with two extra longswords and kill everything with one combo, effectively tilting everybody the enemy. I'm more evil than Teemo

Only Play DariusFeb 6, 20162 votes

Piss them off like they did you and play Irelia into them lol

Supreme Senpai69Feb 6, 20161 votes

Graves is toxic to the game in every lane. At least you never see jungle Ryze

SteelflameFeb 6, 20161 votes

Well, not like you have to worry about Ryze next patch. He just got his passive gutted to shit.

Chibi TemplarFeb 6, 20161 votes

Gangplank

I love watching my minion wave, and a third of my health disappear in 2 buttons.

NGNL AsianFeb 6, 20161 votes

I don't struggle with these guys at all. It's just Teemos and Rivens

FriusFeb 6, 20161 votes

what the problem with quinn? i only see her passive doing dmg rest is meh

J EevoFeb 7, 20161 votes

I ended up as Morde against a Graves top recently.

I spent most of the laning phase wondering why the hell would anyone pick Morde when Graves bursts just as hard but more reliably and from a distance.

Also found out that the ghost you get by using Mordekaiser's R on a Graves is somehow bugged and does way less damage than Graves himself yet at an abysmal speed, probably because he doesn't have the passive.