"SPELLVAMP IS TOXIC!" ... but lifesteal is super healthy!

Niyumi·Dec 18, 2016·10 votes·1,458 views

Yeah. A fucking Yasuo should win a 1v2 versus a full build Camille and Rumble (inside Camille's ult) who are both fed since he can lifesteal so much -- even when he was stunned twice by Camille. And keep in mind that this Camille has 160 armor and 4.6k health as well as a red potion for her own lifesteal.

But hey, Riot DEFINITELY doesn't make double standards! Nope!

... Gee, I seem to remember you nerfing Vlad because of his absurd sustain, and removing spellvamp from the game since mages could burst heal through things they shouldn't survive though... yet when any AD champ gets caught out, they just AFK and right click to win through their bullshit sustain.

EDIT: Here's a video of it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MizFECC51Qw&feature=youtu.be

33 Comments

JackMcSnipeyzDec 18, 20163 votes

No, no. Spellvamp was removed because it had core balance issues - ill explain. Only champs who built spellvamp were mages who already had life steal in their kit, like vlad and swain, that pushed them over the edge making them OP, or just oppressive wall of health and damags.

Now! On the other hand, regular mages, like say, vel'koz, or oriana, couldnt utilize that stat because it was so inefficient on them, that it was almost worthless.

So instead of balancing a stat only certian champs abuse, they removed it and balanced those champs accordinly.

Life steal (on AD) is built either on melee champs who need to get in your face, or squishy marksmen who need that sustain to stay relevant in fights and thr constant poke of mages.

NiyumiDec 18, 20163 votes

{quoted} [...] So instead of balancing a stat only certian champs abuse, they removed it and balanced those champs accordingly.

Yes, I understand why they removed spellvamp. But, thing is, Vlad and Swain were nerfed for their sustain, yeah? Then we have ADCs and melee clickers who sustain five times harder than they ever did, while doing far more damage, and often having a lot more CC. Tell me why that sounds wrong.

Life steal (on AD) is built either on melee champs who need to get in your face, or squishy marksmen who need that sustain to stay relevant in fights and thr constant poke of mages.

Okay, but the thing is, those ADCs are SUPPOSED to be weak to someone jumping in their face or a mage poking them down. They're not supposed to just sustain through it all because hur dur I can right click, they're supposed to position well and not die because of their positioning.

Or, at least, that's what Riot was saying when I started playing the game.

JackMcSnipeyzDec 18, 20161 votes

One major difference. Vlad and swain had damage, sustain (which is fine) but were also tanky, they were a wall of sustain and health.

ADC cant sustain the burst of an assassin, or a diver in their face, unless that said assassin/divef is waaay behind.

Dont tell me you can compare vlad being frontline+burst+sustain - to a squishy Adc (melee or ranged) that gets blown up by 1 rotation of a mage.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

"ADCs get blown up"

I wish replays were a thing then, but I was playing Illaoi, had ~350 AD, against an Ashe with full damage. Got a 6-tentacle ult, hit her with W three times, and she lived with half health as I died. She then went on to kill two more people before dying.

So, please don't tell me ADCs die easily, because with the absurd amount of healing they do with lifesteal, they definitely don't.

Titanium70Dec 18, 20161 votes

Uhmm... within the new client... replays are a thing already...

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

This was months ago. Long before replays.

TTK DreadnoughtDec 18, 20161 votes

did they have Mortal reminder? did you build executioner? without knowing the real/true context i feel you were just behind or played poorly in that situation against an low-mobility adc.

Dominick DestineDec 18, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Only champs who built spellvamp were mages who already had life steal

Kennen Mordekaiser Katarina Cassiopeia ???

CochoDec 18, 20163 votes

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NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

ADCs in general -- and Yasuo is a melee ADC.

Void NargacugaDec 18, 20162 votes

Record a replay using the new Replay system built in and post it then.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

You can't record the replays to a file. You just basically spectate the game.

Void NargacugaDec 18, 20162 votes

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You where saying?

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

Alrighty, give me a bit. I'll record it after my game.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MizFECC51Qw&feature=youtu.be

AHeroNamedHawkeDec 18, 20162 votes

> "Stunned twice by Camille" > "We executed it perfectly" > Posts replay wherein Camille misses both stuns and Rumble ults in the wrong direction

Nice meme dude

They were also up 6 dragons to your 0, and he had elder drake running

You got severely outplayed by someone very far ahead of you, regardless of the champion or stat's state

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

I hit both stuns, but Yasuo ignored one with his ult, and ignored the other with his E. That wonderful spaghetti code where you can keep moving with mobility even if you get CCd. Rumble did hit the ult, but Yasuo flew out of it instantly with his E.

Rumble and I were full build, Yasuo was full AD without his GA at that point. Both Rumble and I were ridiculously fed, while Yasuo was just starting to catch up.

And if you watch his health, he dropped below a quarter health several times, but instantly healed it back up thanks to Warlord's and Bloodthirster. No outplaying about it, he just won through bullshit alone.

Dominick DestineDec 18, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3alXTlEf,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-12-18T11:15:11.737+0000)

That's a lovely avatar, where is it from?

AHeroNamedHawkeDec 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3alXTlEf,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2016-12-18T22:53:21.028+0000)

That's a lovely avatar, where is it from?

http://goomrrat.deviantart.com/art/Elementalist-Lux-Storm-648609899

PrinceOfStormsDec 18, 20161 votes

did rumble miss his ult or something? While lifesteal is a retarded stat now that spellvamp is gone in this case it's an l2p issue.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

Nope! I stunned him in it with Camille, ulted onto him as he was standing in it so he couldn't get away, and kept him in it. We executed PERFECTLY, but he won because every auto healed for nearly a quarter of his health, and he just killed Rumble, then turned on me and sustained twice as hard as I could hurt him, even with my 600 true damage kick.

DynikusDec 18, 20164 votes

We executed PERFECTLY

well no, if you had, he wouldn't have 1v2d you.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

Well, he did, so...

PrinceOfStormsDec 18, 20161 votes

Why didn't rumble just ult and attack him from outside the Camille ult? Why didn't either of you have a source of Grievous Wounds? there are ways you could have played that better.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

He did, but Rumble is really short range, so he was in Yasuo's spam range. And with how much damage their team had, I couldn't afford to build a Mortal Reminder and not instantly die. My Sterak's shield was the only thing really keeping me alive.

Touch My BoxDec 18, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Why didn't rumble just ult and attack him from outside the Camille ult? Why didn't either of you have a source of Grievous Wounds? there are ways you could have played that better.

Becuase there are only two items with Grevious wounds, one is almost exlusive for an ADC and worthless without enemy team having armor, and the other is Morello, which is mana - worthless to Rumble.

In terms of GW and lifesteal, Lifesteal is way too fucking powerful given how easy it is to obtain, it stacks infinitely and theres only two niche items with grevious wounds.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

This. You can't build Mortal Reminder as a bruiser or tank and expect to do anything useful, and Rumble / Kat / etc can't build Morello and feel good about it.

Lifesteal is fucking retarded, so we need more ways to counter it, or for Riot to nerf it.

Athenes LuluDec 18, 20161 votes

Spellvamp is toxic because many AP champs have tools and sometimes range to peel from themselves.

On the other hand, things that build lifesteal are either melee, or have very unreliable/no self peel so lifesteal makes them actually sustainable in fights.

Just a general idea, of course, there's always outliers.

Nidalee SO NYAAADec 18, 20162 votes

Yes because Yasuo has no self peel

Lord MalpercioDec 18, 20161 votes

Confirmed, missed Camille Stun, Rumble missed ult.

Now I'm not saying you don't have a point with lifesteal being stupid, but you highly exaggerated and that doesn't help your case. Also, Yasuo is the criminal here, he wouldn't be able to build that much lifesteal if he didn't get 100% crit off two fucking items.

NiyumiDec 18, 20161 votes

He only had ONE, SINGULAR lifesteal item, plus Warlord's.

And we both landed our abilities, but Yasuo flew out of the Rumble ult before I could ult him, and then ignored both my stuns with his bullshit ult and E.