Can we remove bot lane mages from bot already?

RexSaur·Mar 5, 2017·6 votes·766 views

Rework spellthiefs, do something to stop this 1 item "support" mage 100-0 ppl.

12 Comments

Mira Arya EntheMar 5, 20173 votes

Spellthief's isn't the problem. It was the MYMU lowering all AP from items and making them cheaper but then raising all base damages. This made them viable supports since high base damage without items is what makes a support viable with low gold income.

Ark SorcererMar 5, 20171 votes

You mention that in your post if I am not mistaken. You are in this support thing a lot aren't you?

Anyway, what I want to ask is what is this MYMU you mentioned in this post? You don't have to go into great depths, just tell me the acronym and a short simple definition. I already got an idea from this and your other posts.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 5, 20171 votes

MYMU I think is refering to the Mage update that hit Vlad Swain Malz Syndra and Zyra I think one of the Ryze iterations was in this as well.

Mira Arya EntheMar 5, 20171 votes

Mid Year Mage Update. Along with changes to mages it changed AP items.

Ark SorcererMar 5, 20171 votes

In Season 6? The mid season mage class update? Got ya.

llIllIllIllIllMar 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3aZZMUda,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-05T05:27:33.912+0000)

Spellthief's isn't the problem. It was the MYMU lowering all AP from items and making them cheaper but then raising all base damages. This made them viable supports since high base damage without items is what makes a support viable with low gold income.

Spellthiefs is their revenue (from being aggressive) which turns into a cheap strong mid-game AP item. Without it they wouldn't get the mid-game powerspike and wouldn't be able to finance these items and they'd just run around with a coin and 30 AP for half the game

Poll: What was the best season in League of Legends?

Ark SorcererMar 5, 20171 votes

I don't think that in itself is the issue. I don't think the burst on mages is the problem, because in mid lane, spell thief to Frost Queens Reclaim would be nothing in comparison to a mid lane mage build, but rather actual supports can't do anything in terms of, well, supporting their marksmen.

Aside from tank supports, when you have Lulu, Janna, or Nami support, they now are not capable of doing much in game, at all. You want them to heal/shield you-- ehh nothing major. Something sure, but nothing major. They get caught out by the under fed, 0/22/0 Katarina? Kat now has her first kill, 300 gold, and is capable of picking things up because supports can't defend themselves.

I mean, I like supports, but after the laning phase, I dislike playing them because I cannot ever be by myself. Any champion can get a free kill on me if no ally is around and me having to body guarded to that point is annoying. The best I can do is heal/shield to delay my death in hope I can get to a turret fast enough but that aside... nothing I can do.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 5, 20171 votes

see you're basically touching on my point in my response without giving a quantifiable reason as to why, not knocking you just saying that ultimately our analysis of the situation is similar.

Ark SorcererMar 5, 20171 votes

What response, Chibi? If you are talking about your other one here, I was on this board when there was no comments (as you should know, posts don't load up on the go so I did not know you had made any kind of response)

Without giving a quantifiable reason. Please explain to me what I am doing wrong in this analysis. I was taking more of an example approach rather than a pure logical one but what exactly do you mean?

Chibi BronzlifeMar 5, 20171 votes

I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with your response, basically I was just saying that were were practically saying the same thing, just deferently. If that makes sense.

Ash LockheartMar 5, 20171 votes

You want mages to stop being bot? First thing that needs to change would be for the lane not to end up being 2v5. Right now most matches have 4 bot and not just a simple jungle gank. Because of the players wanting the gold from first tower or players just want to crap on the 2 players in one lane that is what making mages become a thing bot. You want normal supports to play? Well they need to buff supports, or make towers do more damage when it comes to divers. I won't stop playing mages bot til those things are adjusted.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 5, 20171 votes

The only problem here is only one set of supports has actually benefitted from the role updates, mainly the mage supports. Enchanters and Guardians have not gotten their role updates yet so they are under powered compared to the burst supports. When Guardians and Enchanters roll through we will likely see bot lane meta shift again.