Talon post-rework, currently sitting on 43-44% win ratio

Wukong Airlines··8 votes·1,206 views

So its been few weeks since the preseason patch and assassins rework, and I'm sure there's no need for anyone to say more time is needed to practice the assassins, since it's clear now which ended up being successful reworks and which werent much.

Talon had around 49% win ratio pre-rework, now he's sitting on 43%-44% and in the top 6 lowest win ratio champs in the game.

maybe its just me, but talon is weaker than he used to be, not that he should get a buff or two, but certain buffs in the right direction could help like increasing his W speed and apply slow from first hit, why does ekko get his Q apply slow both ways?
Considering talon is still an assassin, his ulti barely deals that damage, base damage been nerfed, it doesnt have no more 15% more damage since he lost his E passive so thats more damage reduction. we know you wanted to reduce his AOE damage, for a reduced aoe ulti it still deals insignificant damage to squishies when many other champs got a simple pointclick spells who take most of the hp bar lee sin, annie etc.

If talon could get his E passive back : ( wounded enemy champions take more 3%/6%/9%/12%/15% damage)

His old E not was only a blind that provided somewhat cc slow, it also had a passive. dont let his E just be a rock climbing spell only, every new champ benefits from overloaded kit. buff his lategame cause its nearly impossible to kill a full build marksman alone , let alone him/her getting peeled by tanks?

Edit: forgot to mention that Talon mains were complaining about his old autoattack passive, as it wasnt much satisfactory , and they ended up giving him another auto attack passive. adding to that his R has a delay for second recast, which means slower combos.

27 Comments

KoKoboto4 votes

I think damage-wise he isn't weaker at all, it's just the fact he has to engage by 'walking up to you' or by jumping over walls make his assassination a lot more difficult to pull off. When the rework first came out everyone was saying he was OP because of how damage he did but it doesn't take a genius to realize him being able to pull off the damage is a lot more difficult. All of his assassinations are highly telegraphed and delayed, it is VERY easy to stop him being he no longer has a blink.

ChaddyFantome3 votes

Talon doesn't need that many buffs. He needs something small and nice and a few QoL changes. That's it.

He isn't super weak or anything, but he could use a bit of love.

Imo, he does a bit too much damage early and not enough late for example.

Astôlfo3 votes

Except it's easy as fuck to dodge all the damage in early.

His W applying a weaker slow on the first rake and a stronger one on the second would've been nice.

Wukong Airlines4 votes

talon is strong early, and dropsoff post level 10. he just needs his W and R speed fixed and somewhat more base damage

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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talon is strong early, and dropsoff post level 10. he just needs his W and R speed fixed and somewhat more base damage

His ultimate is fine imo. The only change i would maybe make is that upon tagging someone to make the blades converge, it should deal more damage. not alot more, but more.

Wukong Airlines3 votes

I swear everytime I auto-Qspell after ulting the blades target the enemy and i dont see his hp bar dropping at all. it feels like it's scratching them. as if his ult doesnt do both way damage, only once.

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Couldn't agree more.

Astôlfo2 votes

His W applying slow only on second Rake back and his gapcloser being a dash instead of a blink (Can't dodge head-on abilities anymore) are what's sort of annoying to me.

Rivuo1 votes

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His W applying slow only on second Rake back and his gapcloser being a dash instead of a blink (Can't dodge head-on abilities anymore) are what's sort of annoying to me.

yeah but lets be honest that blink was completely stupid....

Astôlfo1 votes

Fair enough. Instant R-blink was a pain in the ass. At least you could pink-ward his old one.

So I guess it's fair since you can't pink the new one. So that they can at least try to skillshot you in it?

Rivuo2 votes

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Fair enough. Instant R-blink was a pain in the ass. At least you could pink-ward his old one.

So I guess it's fair since you can't pink the new one. So that they can at least try to skillshot you in it?

I mean your post is 100% correct not going to lie but I think the talon blink was pretty dumb yeah haha.

Wukong Airlines1 votes

Adding to that talon lost his silence, so anyone playing mage for example could zohnya you know? flash, and burn any other CC spell to chain talon down or escape.

Astôlfo3 votes

But the silence was stupid. There was literally no counterplay to R-E with the silence.

MyFootUrFace3 votes

annie talk about counterplay.

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Annie is strong without a doubt but you can flash away when she ults with stun ever since the mage update.

Leo10242 votes

he's fine, it's mostly due to a large amount of people trying him in the jungle which almost never works

NightmareAmazoX4 votes

Stop watching Redmercy,Pants are dragon etc...Only they will do that.

Leo10241 votes

he has a 1.97 playrate i game jungle making him a more popular pick than fiddlesticks and diana

1011001110001 votes

That's a pathetic playrate for all 3 of those champions. You do not seriously expect me to believe that statistic, especially when half the reason people play him jungle is because they didn't get mid or top in auto-fill fiesta?

Leo10241 votes

doesn't mean that it doesn't affect his overall win rate, gragas and rek sai have the same play rates but are around the 49% win rate mark, people need to stop going talon jg and his winrate should go up a bit, yeah he could be buffed a bit but as of now that's why his winrate is suffering

1011001110002 votes

His individual lane winrates are at 45% and dropping. He loses lane to almost every other midlaner except Katarina and Akali - the only two other assassins to get re-worked.

His winrate is suffering because the general philosophy behind these reworks - "delayed burst" - was conceptually flawed and stupid. The counter-play to assassins was good coordination. Squishy champions are, on average, NEVER supposed to be able to 1 v 1 duel assassins because an assassin's job is to kill squishy targets. Why should a Jinx that left her Alistar behind have the potential to live against a Talon because SHE made a stupid mistake? She SHOULD be dead, but now she has the potential to fight him and win. It's pathetic.

And all he gets for it is Parkour mobility.

Leo10241 votes

no he can still do well against squishies if played right, people just never learn to play against mages, they always engage when you have your cc up and complain that the assasins rework was a fail, i've had a talon engage on me as Cassiopeia and i ult and he complains the whole game

on the other hand i've had other talons dive me as Orianna as soon as they hit 6 because they know i used ult and they're able to pull it off

Maximum Morde1 votes

He's too annoying to get buffs though. His new dash puts him solidly in the can't be punished for messing up group.

Wukong Airlines5 votes

Just because he's annoying which I admit doesn't mean he should be gutted.

1011001110001 votes

The fact that you can actively counter him with Teemo is a bit sad in and of itself. Teemo

Divewing1 votes

I'd probably contribute it to pick/play rate. He's slightly harder mechanically before, but still not exactly rocket science, but the strategic difficulty is still there, and has somewhat increased. I haven't had much trouble on him, but I've also not picked him every chance I got. If you don't have reasonable AP damage, you are playing against time, he can't just be picked willy nilly, and I feel that there are a lot of people who don't realise this

forist1 votes

Just revert the move-speed nerf please. Make him feel a little less like a completely different champ.

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