"fighter rework" was just a excuse to nerf 4 champions and armor items

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Thank you riot. Stop pretending this changes are good because they are not

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Toothless Lion27 votes

Darius is hands down stronger. Only true nerfs are the wind up on his Q and the removal of his attack speed slow on W. For that he gets an ok heal on Q, an attack damage bleed, 200 AD and instant max bleed stacks for 5 seconds after killing a target with Ult or with max bleed.

Garen got hit hard.... passive nerfed, w mega nerfed (shit stacking mechanic with a cap... a LOW cap and no tenacity), E no longer crits but does more damage at higher levels. Ult and auto attacks gain situational true damage.. meh still no indicator for whether the ult will kill the target or not.

redniwediS1 votes

Honestly Garen wasn't hit that hard. The passive nerf was small and honestly earned, the shear amount of damage E does now is more than enough to make up for the lack of crit, and the ult does actually have an indicator when targeting your villain.

W was a straight up nerf, however.

Matezoide3 votes

E being stronger barely matters when he slows himself when using it anyway. His late damage is stronger, true, but they completely gutted his early. The likes of Riven and Renekton will eat him alive in lane and even is late is nothing special outside of getting a Villain. You might as well afk if you have to lane against a ranged opponent such as Gnar, Jayce and Teemo.

redniwediS2 votes

Garen slowed himself before, just when passing through minions. Just like when abusing that you just have to master the EQ combo instead of using QE all the time. It's a bigger change on paper than it is in practice.

The Riven/Garen matchup is pretty much unchanged. Garen has a small advantage, but it's mostly a skill matchup. I haven't seen how the Renekton matchup goes as no one plays Renekton on the PBE anymore.

Matezoide7 votes

Slowing yourself when going through minions was a weakness you could play around with proper positioning and planning. Slowing yourself when hitting a champion is actively punishing Garen for getting in range. Doesnt help that his Silence is so much shorter now, so you have an even harder time sticking to targets.

Riven vs Garen unchanged? Are you serious?

Garen deals less damage early, is way more frail, has even more trouble sticking to Riven and CCs her for shorter durations.

Literally every match up Garen had in Lane is now twice as hard for him.

redniwediS1 votes

Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. The bandwagon can hate these changes all the like, however I'll just be wrecking top lane as the Garen main I am once this hits live.

Seriously, look up some videos on how these changes effect Garen in practice. They don't look great on paper, but it's how they are in a live game environment that really matters.

Matezoide3 votes

I dont have to ''look at videos''. I actually played with, against and as Garen. His new laning is just plainly worse now. I have won lane as him in this state, but the difference in power, for lane, was extremely noticeable every single time.

His damage is lower. His CC is shorter. His tanyness is lower. You cant possibly think these wont affect his ability as a laner.

I am not bandwaging. I have actual experience with Garen pre and post Rework.

agbudar1 votes

no garen is in the gutter if these changes happen il try him for old times sake but i won't be playing him anymore he lost his core strength's which "was" his early game and his late game fall of was compensated for his insane regen on passive. that is all gone now. garen frankly speaking did not need changes at all he filled a role.

just because the lcs players build him tanky doesn't mean they were right. i mean wtf are you building garen full tank for thats stupid thats why they lost that game.

Voidgolem2 votes

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Better hope the enemy laner won't just walk the fuck away while charging it up, since most top laners have higher fucking movement speed than you do.

Not exactly any different than current darius then, innit?

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Darius is hands down stronger. Only true nerfs are the wind up on his Q and the removal of his attack speed slow on W. For that he gets an ok heal on Q, an attack damage bleed, 200 AD and instant max bleed stacks for 5 seconds after killing a target with Ult or with max bleed.

Garen got hit hard.... passive nerfed, w mega nerfed (shit stacking mechanic with a cap... a LOW cap and no tenacity), E no longer crits but does more damage at higher levels. Ult and auto attacks gain situational true damage.. meh still no indicator for whether the ult will kill the target or not.

Actually does have an execute indicator for villain.

DropFill9 votes

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Not exactly any different than current darius then, innit?

You are basically saying that this changes are "good" because current darius is bad. New darius will be even worse, with the difference that he can't snowball now

Voidgolem5 votes

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You are basically saying that this changes are "good" because current darius is bad. New darius will be even worse, with the difference that he can't snowball now

"He can't snowball now"

They're quite literally putting in a ridiculous snowball item specifically tailored for darius and other cleaver-bruisers. In addition to giving him big prizes for successfully dunking people.

but hey.

Those don't count because you can miss your Q if you're bad. Welp.

DropFill3 votes

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"He can't snowball now"

They're quite literally putting in a ridiculous snowball item specifically tailored for darius and other cleaver-bruisers. In addition to giving him big prizes for successfully dunking people.

but hey.

Those don't count because you can miss your Q if you're bad. Welp.

He can only dunk a lot of people in teamfight, that he will still suck with less MS. Also, if he is no longer a lane bully like he used to be with this changes, he will not be strong either on teamfights.

Voidgolem4 votes

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He can only dunk a lot of people in teamfight, that he will still suck with less MS. Also, if he is no longer a lane bully like he used to be with this changes, he will not be strong either on teamfights.

Such a pity there aren't items to fix the MS problems or, y'know, big ol slow attached to his hook with the rework. Mmhmm.

you can heal up to 30% of your missing HP per Q and it churns out 140% of your total AD per chop.

throw in a hydra and that's a -lot- of not-particularly-ignorable AoE if you aren't kited to death.

If you are kited to death, well, that's not exactly anything new and as such isn't worth complaining about.

His lane-bully status still seems pretty good. Unless you consistently flub Q's. Which I guess is a larger possibility now than before - Gonna have to get good or something, yo.

DropFill6 votes

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Such a pity there aren't items to fix the MS problems or, y'know, big ol slow attached to his hook with the rework. Mmhmm.

you can heal up to 30% of your missing HP per Q and it churns out 140% of your total AD per chop.

throw in a hydra and that's a -lot- of not-particularly-ignorable AoE if you aren't kited to death.

If you are kited to death, well, that's not exactly anything new and as such isn't worth complaining about.

His lane-bully status still seems pretty good. Unless you consistently flub Q's. Which I guess is a larger possibility now than before - Gonna have to get good or something, yo.

Isn't worth complaining about? please. His lane bully status is trash now. He can't trade anymore with AD AA retaliant champions because he no longers reduces AS. His Q got nerfed against anyone who is competent enough to not stay on the blade or just , you know, fucking engage you, since you no longer have the tools to win a 1v1 in melee range.

Voidgolem4 votes

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Isn't worth complaining about? please. His lane bully status is trash now. He can't trade anymore with AD AA retaliant champions because he no longers reduces AS. His Q got nerfed against anyone who is competent enough to not stay on the blade or just , you know, fucking engage you, since you no longer have the tools to win a 1v1 in melee range.

Got plenty. You just have to actually learn to use them now.

how terrible for you.

Matezoide6 votes

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Got plenty. You just have to actually learn to use them now.

how terrible for you.

Did you even see new Darius in action?

He has no early game now. Period. The damage on his entire kit got nerfed so he could have that Super-Ult thing.

Anidan5 votes

Can confirm. Messed with him on the PBE, and his early game... well, it ain't pretty. At all. They nuked pretty much everything in his kit to make room for the AD steroid that he won't commonly get off, thanks the to fried attack speed gain, and his only other redeeming quality right now is the Rank 3 ultimate. It's... it's pretty freaking bad right now. Sion's Decimating Smash has a delay on it, but you know what else it has? CC. In fact, every ability I can think of with a delay has high damage (Veigar W) or CC. Darius' Q has neither.

DropFill1 votes

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Can confirm. Messed with him on the PBE, and his early game... well, it ain't pretty. At all. They nuked pretty much everything in his kit to make room for the AD steroid that he won't commonly get off, thanks the to fried attack speed gain, and his only other redeeming quality right now is the Rank 3 ultimate. It's... it's pretty freaking bad right now. Sion's Decimating Smash has a delay on it, but you know what else it has? CC. In fact, every ability I can think of with a delay has high damage (Veigar W) or CC. Darius' Q has neither.

Exactly. His early game is worse just to give him a VERY situational bonus damage late.

Troll for Trump2 votes

The Q wind up is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY worse than people think it is. On another note, try Darius jungle. like, actually try it out

Joquan1 votes

His identity is a juggernaut.

Being strong early game and easy late is not a juggernaut.

DropFill3 votes

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Got plenty. You just have to actually learn to use them now.

how terrible for you.

No, he doesn't. I am pretty sure you don't have a single game as darius, and is only here to see him nerfed

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Garen got hit hard.... passive nerfed, w mega nerfed (shit stacking mechanic with a cap... a LOW cap and no tenacity), E no longer crits but does more damage at higher levels. Ult and auto attacks gain situational true damage.. meh still no indicator for whether the ult will kill the target or not.

you forgot the nerf to the silence and the 20% slow on the spin. both significant nerfs.

his ult has an indicator for the villain. overall the villain mechanic is an extremely situational buff, and he loast a lot of reliable parts from his kit for it, that profit him at all times.

Ipols3 votes

well Darius also lost 75% of his early game dmg.. I used him to fuck with Riven but i'm not sure he'll sill be able to do it. also his "insane" passive is really hard to use, you have to get a kill in TeamFight and you have 5 seconds to walk up to someone else. It will happen once or twice in a game at best.

BinkyBarnes1 votes

Just tried it on the PBE, His early game is gone, Riven can easily avoid your Q damage with her E, and your trading just flat out sucks now.

I wouldn't mind the wind up if it still kept its old damage, but it does PEANUT damage (20 base damage when it was 105? Seriously???). RIP in Pepperoni DarioDarius

Ipols1 votes

I think now it scales off total ad instead of bonus tho, so it's not 105-->20 but it's 105->75. I might be wrong tho. that 75 dmg becomes basically 0 if Riven can anticipate it with shield every time because it has a wind up.. lol

Zair Umbras2 votes

If I gotta be honest, I actually like the wind-up on his Q because it makes it easier to hit. It's easier to avoid, sort of, but easier to hit because YOU can see where the blade is going to hit, something I don't believe his opponents get to see.

Dalanin2 votes

Riven laughs at garen now

KatCraft2 votes

Darius was nerfed much harder than you think. Not only does his Q have a wind up meaning any champion with a dash like Riven or Renekton can avoid it easily, it deals significantly less damage. His bleed was also nerfed into the ground, it now deals physical damage, less damage, and no longer gives Darius ms. His ult damage was also hit hard. Buffing his damage after applying 5 stacks is not nearly compensation.

His Q nerf is extremely huge. It's the difference for Darius being able to 1v1 a Riven evenly, to now it's extremely in her favour. Darius needs fast cast times to compete against mobile champions. Neither does she need stacks to deal massive damage, AoE damage at that. Playing the new Darius is just handicapping yourself.

Champion Skin1 votes

Darius is weaker at all times unless he is able to get 5 stacks on a target or kill someone Darius Q at rank 5 requires 250 BONUS AD at level 18 to get as good as the current one (50 AD if he currently has his passive active)

At rank 1 Q deals 29 less damage (and the AD ratio is lower so no matter what the new damage won't get as good as the old one)

NemeBro19 votes

I'm honestly not exactly sure how Darius' changes are a buff. They didn't just make his laning less powerful, they gutted it. There's a hilarious delay on his Q now, and his attack speed was nuked from orbit to make it much harder to apply stacks of hemorrhage, which is also weaker on its own now. For his new AD steroid everything about him was gutted badly. The only way you're going to be getting to use it in a team fight is by kill stealing your ally with your ult, which won't really help you carry a losing team.

Voidgolem7 votes

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I'm honestly not exactly sure how Darius' changes are a buff. They didn't just make his laning less powerful, they gutted it. There's a hilarious delay on his Q now, and his attack speed was nuked from orbit to make it much harder to apply stacks of hemorrhage, which is also weaker on its own now. For his new AD steroid everything about him was gutted badly. The only way you're going to be getting to use it in a team fight is by kill stealing your ally with your ult, which won't really help you carry a losing team.

You realize you can move while winding up Q, yeah?

DropFill14 votes

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You realize you can move while winding up Q, yeah?

You realize that on league of mobility, anyone can fucking run away from you while you walk winding up your Q right?

Raid Boss Morde1 votes

You realize that you once you pull someone, they get slowed, and you can easily land a Q even if they dash away?

BinkyBarnes1 votes

Dont forget Rivens can E on to you and then you deal 50% less damage and dont bleed stack. GG Rito.

NemeBro8 votes

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You realize you can move while winding up Q, yeah?

Better hope the enemy laner won't just walk the fuck away while charging it up, since most top laners have higher fucking movement speed than you do.

ProfDrDeath5 votes

If they're in the middle of the blade zone, they won't reach either edge if you move with them if there is not a huge difference in MS. A difference of 20 MS means your enemy can get 15 units on you in the 0.75 seconds.

Saminus Maximus1 votes

200 ad and insta full passive stacks if you get even a single kill or 5 stack in a fight which allows you to get more kills or re-apply the 5 stacks refreshing the buff duration. Shits brutal, literally 2.5 bloodthirsters of damage.

Champion Skin2 votes

Hmm let's see how big of a difference there is at level 18

Base Attack Speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.679 Attack Speed per level reduced to 1% from 4%

Old attack speed 4% X 17 = 68% 0.679 X 1.68 = 1.14 attacks per second at level 18

New attack speed 1% X 17% = 17% 0.625 X 1.17 = 0.73 attacks per second at level 18

Oh and keep in mind that any other items or such that would increase attack speed would push things even further in the favor of the old attack speed as it has a higher base attack speed

KONO RUBICK DA8 votes

only darius was buffed, skarner passive is just an april fool passive

Voidgolem2 votes

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only darius was buffed, skarner passive is just an april fool passive

Passive's gimmicky as hell, yes, but he gets a better shield, better damage ratios, and a somewhat more reliable stun. And the new bruiser items that we know about at present (rage gage amplifies sheen procs too. That'll be nice. Probably not as nice as it'll be for irelia, though)

like I said, dunno. Need some hands-on to come to a conclusion.

DropFill3 votes

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only darius was buffed, skarner passive is just an april fool passive

Actually, if you read it, it is a massive nerf. His Q got nerfed, His W got nerfed, His E got nerfed (doesn't matter if it was a bug, it is a nerf to his stick potential ),his R damage got nerfed, his passive deals physical damage and deals less damage.

Conturbatio6 votes

Rofl Darius has been Veigared

That 0.75 delay on his Q wtf rito

Joquan1 votes

If you think veigar is trash, maybe it's you.

Conturbatio1 votes

The salt here is real. I never said Veigar is "trash", I meant that Darius got the veigar treatment "0.75 delay" learn to read.

Joquan1 votes

Considering the circlejerk of veigar being trash I find it hard to believe that is your main reason.

Conturbatio1 votes

First of all, get your facts right... The Veigar treatment is adding a delay, usually 0.75 to an ability. Second of all, get some manners.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

Mordekaiser: but.. I have a dragon now :( Me: only if you kill it with your ult, till then you have to hide behind a support since your W doesn't do damage unless your buddy close to you... Mordekaiser: ...

BattleBalladeer2 votes

After the GP rework I had such hopes. Then I saw what they did to Garen and Morde.

This patch was supposed to enhance what everyone liked about the characters, but they completely smash the identity of Morde and drive everything that made Garen a "juggernaut" (in a sense of being an unstoppable force and tanky) into the ground.

Sugar Mantis1 votes

I actually have to disagree with you.

Mordekaiser is getting a buff, dmg wise and utility wise. Skarner is getting a huge buff from this, finally giving his e a purpose and giving him a passive that applies global pressence.

While Garen and Darius are getting nerfed, you cant say that they dont deserve it. And its not even that much of a nerf. Garen's ult is getting a ridiculous buff, at the cost of his q and w. Darius on the other hand actually has counter play now, but if youre stupid youre going to pay more than ever. Hes getting sustain and huge teamfight presence, which will make him more of a monster if you dont play properly. Theres a few dmg nerfs, but much more pressure from him.

Its not all in the numbers.

Icestar11864 votes

Skarner is NOT getting a buff. They moved his stun to his E, which still has its high cooldown, making it harder to stick to enemies. Current Skarner can stack his stun on multiple targets and doesn't have to rely on such a high-cooldown spell. Also, repeated Q hits give you less of a buff, and the shrines won't do anything 75% of the time.

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