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counters armor quickly
holy shit that draintanking
warlord giving so much movement speed making kiting easier, it's insane
DFT damage nerf
Bond of stone heals so much combined to warlord nerfing lethality ADC again who aren't able to use it well if they stay from a lot of range
nerf
nerf
nerf
your overlords are back
i think warlord is going to be nerfed, the generation seems to fast
Sasogwa7 votesI hate how Riot figured they needed to give warlords free kite potential
TyrekGoldenspear4 votesBetter than free sustain amirite?
Yaskamasandwich5 votesADCs always are the overlords. If it isn't hyper carry late game crit ones, then it's the early game lethality ones. Even during the Ziggs bot lane moment ADCs were still picked and still ruling.
Ahristocats1 votesIf it isn't hyper carry late game crit ones, then it's the early game lethality ones.
Indeed, this thread is talking about crit adcs that were bullied before by lethality adcs
Ralanr3 votesThink this will make carries like Kog viable? Also how've ya been?
Ahristocats3 voteswhat do you mean how have i been? you mean in this game or IRL?
And Kog is already viable but only on his mains for 3 reasons: -he needs specific supports looking at lulu -his itemization is not something that a casual kog player can get -his mechanics are actually above other marksmen, his mana mangement+positioning+skillshots+ how to use his E and play around it
Ralanr1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3P0Z6dde,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-03-08T14:47:53.240+0000)
what do you mean how have i been? you mean in this game or IRL?
And Kog is already viable but only on his mains for 3 reasons: -he needs specific supports looking at lulu -his itemization is not something that a casual kog player can get -his mechanics are actually above other marksmen, his mana mangement+positioning+skillshots+ how to use his E and play around it
A little of both honestly. Kinda bored of just arguing with people and I can't use discord at work.
What is Kogs itemization? I know he's not a crit focused marksman.
Ahristocats4 votesKog builds on-hit effect items he can even build trinity force which helps him to kit. So it depends on situations there are a lot of items you can build on him you have to choose wisely and the order is important, and you also have to not forget defensive items
In game i'm a marksmen main now, honestly i'm playing this game since 7 years and while i already played everyone at least once (except new champs) i never mained marksmen i needed something new to have fun and while vayne isn't that interesting, Caitlyn is very very fun to play and has a satisfying theme (sherif) and VO i think it's going to be my way to go champ for a lot of time
As for IRL it's really not great but i don't want to talk about it on board
Ralanr1 votesGot any tips on how to beat a Caitlyn?
Ahristocats2 votesin lane? you have to pick high ranged adc and high ranged support, good example is zyra+jhin/varus/ziggs/jinx but i think you're looking at teamfights
caitlyn's E is VERY delayed, when she presses E there is a delay before she jumps back, then the speed of jumping back is low, why i'm telling you this? because any displacement will stop her E leaving her in a very bad spot, i'm thinking of Aatrox Q everytime he cast Q i tried to press E to dodge it and ended up knocked+my E was cancelled completly. If you're sion and you slow with E+Q chance that cait will try to use her E to dodge your Q is high, and if you knock her in the air she won't have E anymore
it's honestly the only think you can do to counter her, if you're in 1v1 in early/mid game try to dodge her Q it has a long cast time and deals a lot of damage, in late game cait won't use it anymore because it falls off and takes too much time
Ralanr2 votesDid not know about her E being that easy to counter. Thanks.
TyrekGoldenspear3 votesReally? Who downvotes for things like this?
Ralanr1 votesThe boards work in mysterious ways.
PermabannedGaren1 votesThink this will make carries like Kog viable? Also how've ya been?
Kog was already viable. He's specifically been tearing up Korea when paired with a Lulu support.
NodirjonSattarov3 votesyou also played the most annoying, obnoxious, brain dead ADC in the game
Ahristocats1 votesnah, vayne is more braindead
NodirjonSattarov1 votesthis twitch has us beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIasapK6vfQ
Big Lincoln2 votesthis is my worst nightmare
Kaioko2 votesSo I guess the question becomes -- why did it take 5 unsuccessful games since the patch for you to have one successful? Crit ADCs are definitely still on the weaker side of things which is why crit items are going to get changed after Warlord's is removed as a lane sustain tool.
Kaioko2 votesYour assumption that this is my only account is incorrect this is such the low ELO one but also the one known on the boards and the easiest way for people to reach me through that so I don't bother switching.
I'm not arguing with you that Crit ADCs got buffed. They definitely did but to claim they are in a good spot and it feels great to play them is incorrect. Cait is one of those that manages to do well regardless of patch just because of her oppressiveness. You claimed that Jinx was back though and as a Jinx main I completely disagree.
Ahristocats1 votesYour assumption that this is my only account is incorrect this is such the low ELO one but also the one known on the boards and the easiest way for people to reach me through that so I don't bother switching.
Sure as you wish friend, post on whatever account you want. i just know now how the comment i wrote to you was downvoted immedietly by a lot of numbers
{quoted} but to claim they are in a good spot and it feels great to play them is incorrect. Cait is one of those that manages to do well regardless of patch just because of her oppressiveness. You claimed that Jinx was back though and as a Jinx main I completely disagree.
And to do this, you took my match history and said that i needed 5 games to have a successful game when i only needed one, thus manipulating everyone and then downvoting me with all your accounts, that's a great way to argue, probably the best one
Jinx? hm, maybe i didn't play her but her mechanics are the same as any crit ADCS and they're all should have success right now with everything listed above, nothing logically prevents them from being successfull if only your skill when you play them
Bond of stone heal, DFT nerf, edge of the night nerf+previous lethality nerf of youmu, warlord allowing a better kiting if you're having troubles with all of that then stop playing adcs really, especially when jinx has the highest damage output of every crit adcs while not lacking of range
Kaioko2 votesWhatever floats your boat dude thankfully Riot has stated that they will look at changing crit items to put crit ADCs in a better spot instead of listening to someone who says that ADCs are fine by playing only one champ and basing on 3 games only with only one positive KDA.
With that said I'm done arguing with you considering the changes I want are actually underway and trying to convince they are needed will bring me nothing at all.
Ahristocats1 votesWhatever floats your boat dude thankfully Riot has stated that they will look at changing crit items to put crit ADCs in a better spot instead of listening to someone who says that ADCs are fine
they never said that
but whatever floats your boat dude
Thales2251 votesPretty sure they're gonna do mid season changes to crit items
Hyperiön1 votesWhen you see Aatrox being played again!!!!! I can't wait to play him.
Ahristocats2 votesyeah he feels strong except if you have a support peeling for you but his 1v1 is insane, his W bonus damage doesn't cost hp anymore
Ralanr2 votesI think he might push tanks out of top lane honestly. Which people have been wanting in lower Elos.
Ahristocats3 votestanks are already out of the toplane except 3 picks (4 in competition)
Hyperiön1 votesThe tank rework coming up might change that yet again.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made the jungle strictly for tanks, and then have bruisers/juggs up in the top lane.
Tychusfindlay9191 votesI think he might push tanks out of top lane honestly. Which people have been wanting in lower Elos.
Most of the traditional tank roster hasnt worked top lane for a while.
Maokai shen poppy and sometimes but not really naut were the only tanks that went top. Everything else was garbage or only viable as support or jg.
Ralanr1 votesYou mean support because I don't see any tanks besides Zac in the jungle.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesWhen I saw this thread I was going to say that Darius didn't count. :P
Then I saw Cait.
Ahristocats3 votesTechnically Darius counts as ADC is a role that is supposed to carry a team, marksmen are in it
But if we talk about ADC Darius he was buffed as lethality adcs were his worst enemies he requieres as always a tank to work, so i'm waiting for the MYTU and enjoying marksmen in the meantime
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesTrue. Technically, anyone that's a carry and primarily uses AD is an ADC.
So…Even Nasus is an ADC. Botlane Nasus new Meta confirmed?
Ahristocats2 votesBotlane Nasus? if riot fixes botlane harass with creep agro then maybe, but right now only melees that can kill marksmen can go botlane
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesSo... 
?
Ahristocats2 votesHis early game is extremely terrible, seriously his Q cast time+cd are high in early game and his early game damages are low and was nerfed recently, compared to a marksmen that is no longer held back when he has a support.
If yasuo would go botlane, he would try to survive with his shield/windwall/harass with tornado And then only when he gets some attack speed+lvls he can start to fight a marksmen
i have never witnessed a botlane yasuo, only heard rumors by the board, i can only do theories. One time i might play it to see
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesHis early game is extremely terrible,
Uh-oh, don't let Gameplay hear you say that.
Penns1 votesReally? Thought new Warlords was garbage and most adcs are gonna take Fervor lol
Ahristocats5 votesGarbage? why do you think that. It was nerfed in lane, you can't get from 10% hp to 60% hp anymore in 4 hits in lanig phase But in teamfight the generation is fast and it gives you 30% bonus ms for 0.75 sec which is huge, and the lifesteal has been buffed to 50% at all HP instead of depending on missing HP
Hethalean3 votesI think that it's going to take a while for people to catch on that they tacked a Mini Stormraider's Surge onto it and just that mobility is kind of king especially for ADC where positioning is paramount. It just helps you DPS more because you're repositioning takes less time so you can get more attacks in.
Penns1 votesIt was nerfed in lane
Because of that. But idk, didnt play on this patch yet.
Penns1 votesWait I take that back, just played against a Cait.. thats cancer xd
Spoofghoul1 votesseems like a good mastery for divers and juggernauts to stick to people just wait and see them abuse the shit out of it ^^
Thales2251 votesWait, I can bust out my Vayne again? lit
