Just lots of CC and damage is all you need. Tanks blow up like nothing. Maybe its just silver.
Sigh.
Anyways. Buff tanks yeh? Or nerf damage. Or idk maybe i dont know anything. Every time i have tanks on my team they just get insta dead every team fight. Not sure why I still get tanks on my team.
And I mean real actual tanks. Although sion is really good right now because of his early game and CC.
FireDrizzle18 votesSion is 46% wr mate.
Armour was a weak stat before the introduction of conqueror and now it is shit. Assassins build black cleaver anyway and aoe assassins actually shred tanks and help remove their armour. "Tanks counter assasins" but this is an assasin meta and tanks have low winrate. The celerity buff is an overlooked increase to damage that makes tanking anything even harder. Fighters get lots of tankyness from 
so they are a more mobile tank that does lots of damage but has less cc.
TheDevice4 votesWell I do fine with Sion and I still see him in challenger so thats what i based it off
French Courtesan1 votesFighters are more mobile than tanks. Okay buddy.
FireDrizzle1 votesFighters are more mobile than tanks. Okay buddy.
Well yeah they are, excepting juggernauts but other than Yorick they arent the best fighters?
French Courtesan1 votestfw 3/4 of tank roster has dashes with bigger range than flash while 1/4 of fighter roster has dashes that can barely move them through walls.
Giga Baboon10 votesTurns out giving every bruiser a way to do true damage kills the tanks
Jaygo412 votesNobody acknowledging the clear elephant in the room that is conqueror. It certainly isn't ezreal keeping tanks from being played, they've coexisted before. But tanks and conqueror? Never. Nerf conqueror, clearly overpowered keystone.
Props to Hashinshin by the way for whining so fucking hard that he got his own keystone
Bisaknosp9 votes
barely seeing these champs tbh
Nyarlathοtep8 votesBut voli aint a tank.
ZackTheWaffleMan1 votesThis.
LordGeovanni2 voteswhile true its not his main role he has always had that option. In the same way that Sion and Poppy were originally bruisers and even when reworked They are bruisers mostly with a tank option even if the tank option is more previlant which it isnt if you building 2 damage items which is what every bruiser builds save broken shit like yasou riven and fiora
Nyarlathοtep1 votesSo? Currently sion is a tank and voli is a juggernaut. It doesnt matter what their other build paths are.
kurnubego1 votesI'm sure that the problem we are discussing is utility of building defense. Not 'tanks' as a class. Which is mostly felt by champions who utilize building defense the most therefor people refer 'tank'.
Darkone70011 votes
44% winrate in top lane :(
Madsin258 votesDamage needs to be nerfed.
If tanks get damage buffs the power creep will only get worse.
Psybicilin2 votesTank melting with items like rageblade and bork is just way too strong. It would be nice if tanks actually did their job instead of assassinating squishy champions like 
and do.
Elkington VI6 votesBuffing tanks directly doesn't solve the overall issue. The problem is that the balance between offensive and defensive scaling is too lopsided, when they should be about equal. There need to be more late game scaling defensive runes.
The new rune system is just lousy in general compared to the old one. It's done nothing but exacerbate the problems we already have.
Noor Sakata5 votesWhat kind of tanks are you talking about ?
Never saw in a while , his winrate isn't good either but , I really do well with him lately and he feels tanky af
I see him from time to time , and he is pretty annoying to deal with
Builds 1 AP item and kills your carries with 1 full combo and deals so much damage before he dies " if he died "
I see a lot lately but they build AP so idk , still annoying to deal with
was just played in NA LCS and she was good tho
but never saw for a while except in urf
tho I don't feel tanks are that weak tbh , they are immune to mages , their main problem is 
with that stupid rune
, actually and assassins , 
and 
are pretty much melting tanks lately , but their main weakness was the adc role who got Gutted , Viable marksmen are 
who is bad against Tanks
Bad against Tanks
bad against tanks
well she is strong against them yeah
is pretty strong against " if found " I find her rarely but she is still dominating everytime I see her lol
" That's just my personal opinion from Gold Elo , you don't really have to care about it or downvote it , just ignore it "
Emo Twink4 votes"Oh but if you pick Zed you're trolling" -everyone at any minor complaint AD champions have too much ways around armor, and AP champs have too little around MR, so Tanks are only really viable against AP champs nowadays it feels like. All this true damage, armor shred, and ap champs cant even get a mini void staff like a last whisper.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesThe majority of the AP roster has always been terrible at dealing with tanks. Most AP champions are burst centric meaning that if you don't burst....you don't do anything. Annie doing 1/3 my health in one rotation as a tank means it takes 3 rotations or like 15 seconds ASSUMING I don't inflate my health pool at any point with a shield or some sort of heal (such as Maokai Passive). An actual sustained damage threat (which are almost EXCLUSIVELY AD because auto attacks scale off the stat as well) means that the damage is MUCH more constant and I won't be able to shrug it off nearly as much since my Naut, Ornn, Sion W won't be up almost every time they attempt to hit me.
Anatera1 votes[{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EIfREN2,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-06-30T22:58:24.100+0000)
What kind of tanks are you talking about ? Never saw
So what you're saying is that tanks are everywhere, but they're not tanking. Wow, that's deep bro.
Infernape4 votesIt's because everyone (read: AD champions) have easy access to true damage. Armour feels like a useless purchase against any champ that uses Conqueror or Infinity Edge (bonus points if they use both). You get shredded far too easily (like Conqueror Yi with Bloodrazor and Guinsoos) dealing a shit ton of damage as unmitigatable damage.
kurnubego1 votesI remember after hashinshin contraversy whine festival .. I've been pointing out what will happen. Sometimes I hate to be right. People suggesting balance chances have very very little oversight of how inertic meta is and how many variables there are.
Nyarlathοtep3 votesYet they are still able to buy a single mr item and completely ignore magic damage.
LordGeovanni2 votesBull shit Not being one shot but still losing 80% of your hp is not ignoring magic damage. While at the same time the game isnt balanced for you to be able to build more than one magic item and still function as a melee tank or Fighter.
??? A single mr dedicated mr item can reduce a mage's burst by 50% at the very least.
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesThat mathematically makes zero sense. No MR item grants 100 MR which would be the LOWEST amount you would need to halve damage.
Indeed it does. But thats how mr interacts with magic damage without magic pen.
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesOkay. Let's say I RUSH a banshees veil. I get it by like level 9 on a mage. That leaves me with ROUGHLY 95 MR. That's 49% DR. Now let's put that against someone without it. 35 MR. 26% damage reduction. You go from taking 74% to 51% which is roughly a 30% increase in survivability. Not 100%. Not even CLOSE to "halving" the damage you take. Stop making baseless claims or you're just going to get proven wrong and look like an idiot.
Also, most MR items are in the 55-70 MR range with the combination of merc treads and hexdrinker also being in that ballpark.
You forgot something crucial. And the reason why mr items fks mages so hard (or ap casters on general). Hp helps against burst damage. And almost every mr item has hp too, so they get really close at halving it.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesI mean living with 20% health means you are literally never dying to any sort of burst centered champion on your own. If LeBlanc can only get all of the carries down to 20% on her own. She is next to useless compared to literally any other midlaner because at that point you're better off picking a control mage and being able to actually do something in a teamfight.
RakanButTHICCer2 votesstopped reading.. you said anyways. that aint a word.
i know im a grammar zazi but it jsut REALLY bothers me
Hocker1 votesI agree with you, PENTAKILL Shovel... now let's talk about "ain't"
KICK OUT AT 22 votesConquerer, new IE, and last whisper makes armor feel pretty useless.
DragonShea1 votes????????
wat. Speak up child what are tanks?
LordGeovanni1 votesIve been saying this long ago tanks arent strong CC is strong which mages assassins and adcs have more than enough of. This is also the reason why fighters find no use its because Tanking is not what top tanks do cc is what they do so no matter how much they rip sejuani's base stats to be worse than an adcs because she has 2 seconds of passive it wont matter because Her e still cc's What killed sejuani is that you now have to indivdual E stun which between the cooldown and delay isnt happening for any relivance.
saltran1 votesWell, that's what the Boards wanted a few months ago.
we did it?
rtbf2216514121 votesJust lots of CC and damage is all you need.
People realized this when?
I knew this even when tanks were viable.
TempName548461 votestanks are fine just build full damage on em :^)
DW Diana1 votesTanks tend to be strong against ap champions until late game. Ad champions tend to destroy tanks most of game.
It's the inherent difference between ap and ad. Ap tends to need scaling for most things, ad tend to need only 1 item (if that). With the meta being far more ad and true damage it's natural tanks are obsolete at the moment.
YourAreMyQueen1 votesNo it's all levels. I had 250 armor one game and got blown up by a 2/5 wukong for 2700 dmg by his ult alone.
French Courtesan1 votesJust lots of CC and damage is all you need. Tanks blow up like nothing. Maybe its just silver.
But tanks have most CC in game. So no problem?
Sigh.
Anyways. Buff tanks yeh?
Ah yeah what an idea. finally you can play more than 3 champions on top and this guy wants to go back to poppy/maokai/sion meta. Why not.
And I mean real actual tanks. Although sion is really good right now because of his early game and CC.
All tanks are still good. Tank players are just not used to having fair lanes.
FirewaterDM1 votestbh outside of like Mundo, Sion and Orrn (and sometimes even then) tanks...don't feel like they do enough.
Like 100% they're fine and or work IF the other team is like mixed damage, or mostly AP, or hell the one threat is a mage/AP assassin/etc.
IF the enemy team is like 4-5 AD, or it's a fed ADC/AD assassin your armor is useless. You can build Tabi, Randuins, Thornmail, FH, Warmogs, (insert MR item or Deadmans/Sunfire if all AD.) and get chunked as hard as if you built bruiser
If you get ahead, is the only time you feel decently tanky.
But tanks feel fine if the enemy team is mostly/All AP unless they get super fed, because MR's stupid efficient vs AP. But if it's a team of 5 AD or majority AD that goes even? your 3-4 Armor items don't mean shit.
2Charmnot2Charm1 votesI don't know poppy seems fine to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H36OexcVmVA , 
also seem to be doing fine with the winrate and % picked they have going for them.
Hemulen Magi1 votesI just finished a match where I was 
, who doesn't even have a tank killer identity, against an armor stacking 
and . I completely shredded them by building tank killing items and there was nothing they could do, yet I could still ult in to instantly kill any of their squishies with practically no counterplay. Snowballing is way too strong and tanks can't do anything to survive it.
I built 
Nasus built 
which were pretty much all items to try to counter my autoattacks. But I could still shred him down in a couple seconds on my own. If the game were balanced, Nasus stacking armor should have been enough to deter me from focusing him down, and my AP teammates should have gotten to deal with him instead since he didn't build any MR. But armor shredding and AD DPS are so broken that I was able to just stack tank killing items and slaughter everyone with the enemy team being powerless to counterbuild. My advantage for early snowballing should have been to force them to stack armor, thereby opening them up for AP to counter their armor stacking, not to just overpower their counterbuilding and keep on snowballing myself indefinitely.
Don't get me started on how bad had things. He was their jungle and because he was a tank with a slower clear speed, he couldn't keep up as I stole his buffs and hunted him down for free kills once the snowballing began.
The only reason I ever died in that match was from carelessly diving their whole team, which still let me kill 1-3 in the time it took for them to kill me, and resulted in my team pushing objectives and ending the game.
Done251 votes[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EIfREN2,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-07-01T23:03:16.149+0000)
I just finished a match where I was
I built
Don't get me started on how bad
The only reason I ever died in that match was from carelessly diving their whole team, which still let me kill 1-3 in the time it took for them to kill me, and resulted in my team pushing objectives and ending the game.
I'm sorry, but if Nasus really wanted to cold cuck you all he had to do was build Frozen Heart, Thornmail, and Wither you in team fights. The Deadman's was a waste of money.
ModCaliCoastReplay1 votesConqueror is the issue. The take-home lesson from this season is that true damage has to be used a lot more sparingly.
Fighter Ignite11 votesIts because of all the true damage and shred.