Riot Can We Please Fix Wukong's Ult Tick Rate

boss10000·Mar 20, 2016·106 votes·5,446 views

Currently Wukongs ult ticks ever 1 second for 4 seconds what this means is it will only apply damage or knock up ever 1 sec meaning that you can have people which have been in the ult but in-between those intervals so take no damage.

So can we please reduce it to a 0.25 Tick rate so it applies 1/4 of the damage every 0.25 sec so does that same damage overall but means that damage is more consistent and more likely to knock people up when they go into it.

66 Comments

EndlessSorcererMar 20, 201627 votes

One possible issue with that.

He would apply stacks of Black Cleaver significantly faster.

boss10000Mar 20, 201610 votes

Garen can do the same, but if its tht bad make it only apply a stack of BC every 0.5 or 1 secs

NoraverMar 20, 20165 votes

Garen can't do the same; Garen has to be a significantly higher level in order to proc them faster. Wu would only have to be level 6.

ChrisThePlebMar 20, 201616 votes

But Garen doesn't have to blow an ult to apply those stacks.

Sir YamazukiMar 21, 20163 votes

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But Garen doesn't have to blow an ult to apply those stacks.

Garen also doesn't have tools to instantly get to the target to apply those stacks and keep them in his E other than by having superior move-speed and avoiding cc. Wu applies a knock up delaying reaction, is more likely to hit multiple people, and isn't punished by doing less damage to his primary target if it hits multiple people. Wu also gets an armor shred on his Q for a single target as well.

They function completely different and serve different purposes. So, just because Garen gets to apply BC stacks quicker doesn't mean Wu should.

Cloud273Mar 21, 20161 votes

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Garen also doesn't have tools to instantly get to the target to apply those stacks and keep them in his E other than by having superior move-speed and avoiding cc. Wu applies a knock up delaying reaction, is more likely to hit multiple people, and isn't punished by doing less damage to his primary target if it hits multiple people. Wu also gets an armor shred on his Q for a single target as well.

They function completely different and serve different purposes. So, just because Garen gets to apply BC stacks quicker doesn't mean Wu should.

Finally someone who gets it. Comparing a non-stealth melee bruiser to a stealth champion makes no sense. Obviously the stealth champion will have an easier time reaching his/her target. They shouldn't be allowed to have burst as well. That should be their trade off for having stealth.

WarlockLawMar 21, 20162 votes

Yes, but unless I'm mistaken every dot ability in the game except for Wukong's ult deals damage in intervals of less than a second. It would make sneak, at least to me, that most dots apply every 0.25 seconds or even 0.5 seconds. If his synergy with cleaver proves to be too strong then shave off a touch of damage or increase his ult cd as well as that.

Emperor TimeMar 20, 201616 votes

Wukong isn't going to have finished cleaver at level 6, what crack are you smoking.

LemilMar 20, 20161 votes

Make it so "Warwicks attacks during Infinite Duress (his ult) apply on-hit effects every 4th attack"

Makes it more balanced

EndlessSorcererMar 20, 20163 votes

I think you may have replied to the wrong post.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Rekka777Mar 21, 20161 votes

I'm pretty sure what he's saying is that if they made Wu's ult tick every .25 seconds, they could do that to only apply 1 stack of BC every second, or something similar to the way WW's ult was handled.

NsEternalMar 20, 20162 votes

garens spin works like that and the speed scales with levels and it applies black cleaver stakcs i think it should be the same

DreadlocksMar 20, 201623 votes

Garen E Treatment!

Stand in my XMar 20, 201618 votes

Apply DEMACIAAA to the "R" area

HayRossMar 20, 201610 votes

Demaciaaaaarrrrrrrr..... Gangplank ?

TurquoiseYoshiMar 20, 20166 votes

DEMAGLIO! Gnar

Ariel the CruelMar 21, 20162 votes

Azir SHURIMA!

kasfasMar 21, 20161 votes

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kasfasMar 21, 20161 votes

Sion NOXUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS! ults away

ayNigerianPrinceMar 20, 20161 votes

Liking the name homie.

billxxMar 21, 20161 votes

And yours is just terrifying

ayNigerianPrinceMar 21, 20161 votes

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MunchCrunchLunchMar 20, 20166 votes

hes too strong alraedy

boss10000Mar 20, 20164 votes

Not really, hes rarely played and we never see him in pro play.

Nam Tsedom TsomMar 21, 20161 votes

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Not really, hes rarely played and we never see him in pro play.

What an awful comparison to make. Soloq strong and viable and pro strong and viable isn't the same thing. Wukong stands between a 57.78% to 54% w/r on people that take the time to learn him. He is strong, and he doesn't need a buff (even if it is only ticks).

Also as to your Garen comparison he (Garen) stands between a 54% to 51% w/r between 50-125 games (compared to Wukong 57.78 to 54% in same amount of game sample) and has significantly less outplay potential than Wukong. If Garen ones Qing in and Eing you know what he does? He stays in the team fight win or loss, he doesn't go invisible or have dashes to use and doesn't knock five people up at a time to keep them in the E ticks. Chances are if he gets buffed he would make it to near perma ban rate as other strong champions are in the midst of getting nerfed (i.e., Yasuo and Zed).

P.S. In soloq Wukong has a 3.06% w/r. That's pretty meta.

P.P.S. Data comes from champion.gg (a meta-analysis of plat+ games).

ZikrMar 20, 20169 votes

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hes too strong alraedy

I have 1.4k wu kong games and peaked Diamond 2. I can tell you this: The champ gets countered by literally everyone u can think of in the current meta. So no hes actually too weak if the enemies pick a decent champ.

Robbit MangMar 20, 20162 votes

yeah but at the same time if they didnt draft against it wukongs kit is impossible to outplay and you get shit on... honestly one of my most hated champs

DrNovaMar 20, 20161 votes

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yeah but at the same time if they didnt draft against it wukongs kit is impossible to outplay and you get shit on... honestly one of my most hated champs

Most the current favored tops are counters to him without having to pick specifically for him.

Robbit MangMar 20, 20161 votes

Poppy and Malphite are probably the only meta champions that counter him at the moment, and malphite is typically banned and poppy is usually played jungle.

jdizzle367Mar 21, 20163 votes

and fiora, and graves, and darius, and garen, and J4 and quinn is a skill match up but slightly favors quinn because she can still farm from range if she starts losing. Basically at this point he can only really beat Jax and Riven in lane every other matchup just wrecks him.

Blue Moon WolfMar 21, 20161 votes

Actually he also has a hard time against a decent Riven player as well. The AOE from her Q and W makes using the decoy a nightmare, the stun from her W can hit you while stealthed so if she has a good idea of where you are she can unleash her full Q combo on you, Try to E to her and she can Shield dash to keep from taking damage (followed by a W,Q combo) and I have seen 3 different Riven players Q under turret, stun with W and shield dash out without taking any damage from you or the turret. Then after she hits lvl 6 She use her ult to sweep for you if you try to use a decoy to escape. This is all on top of the fact she's resourceless and really just has you wait for you to run out of mana to go in.

Robbit MangMar 21, 20161 votes

All of those are skill match ups IMO. a good wu can play to scale and win the game through superior team fighting as none of those Matchups are insanely awful for him, albeit slightly difficult.

SkereMar 22, 20161 votes

J4 is one of Wukong´s easiest matchups tho

Only Play DariusMar 21, 20161 votes

Every Wukong I have seen played in my games goes jungle.

Blue Moon WolfMar 20, 20164 votes

Plus, Wukong has one of the steadiest win rates in the game (between 53-50%) to which Riot has stated they feel he is one of the most balanced champs out there right now. The thing is, a lot of that successes likely come from team fights since his ult practically complements just about every champ in the game. His laning phase on the other hand, has a hard time against champs with AOE's, skillshots, cc or sustain... which practically covers at least 2/3rds of the champ roster.

CubedJusticeMar 21, 20161 votes

Akali Kalista Katarina Lucian Mordekaiser Rengar Shaco Twitch Just about everybody who doesn't fit those qualifications. And none of them really go top lane in regular situations.

MrWasjigMar 21, 20161 votes

Thus making that an entirely moot point :P

desertoflameMar 20, 20164 votes

If it hits so often wouldnt it insta stack black cleaver?

jdizzle367Mar 21, 20162 votes

Garen's spin was reworked to tick every .25 seconds so riot is clearly cool with a instant aoe black cleaver stack.

NineTailedMysticMar 21, 20161 votes

Scales with skill rank, so level 1 though.

jdizzle367Mar 21, 20161 votes

Garen's E base is one tick per .6 seconds so his tick rate is already almost twice Wukongs tick rate at level 1. At level 6 his spin is hitting basically 3 times a second. Keep in mind that this is an ultimate ability so it should be significanty more powerful than any similar basic ability so I really don't think that this would push the envelope too hard.

XxxLumberJackxxXMar 20, 20162 votes

im ok with it

SkereMar 21, 20162 votes

Yes please! Wukong is really weak atm

Hard PenetratorMar 21, 20162 votes

His decoy should have ad scaling, Its ap ratio feels really forced on a champion with Armor Shred.

EyesOfTheFoxMar 21, 20162 votes

I love Wukong, but I also feel he could use some QOL changes to move him up the champion tier list a bit.

The things I've noticed about Wu:

For someone who has armor and mr built into his passive, he feels really squishy. If you build more tank, your damage output suffers. Unlike the juggernauts, who are tankier and out damage Wu. Also his early jungle clear is abysmal, and there are stronger junglers that could put him at a disadvantage early.
I know he's labeled as a "fighter" but his kit plays like an assassin, the problem with that is he doesn't deal as much damage as pure assassins. Unless he is picking off single targets while roaming around (which negates his passive), he's pretty much dead if he gets caught by the enemy team (even with his passive), or if your team doesn't follow up on the ult, you're dead.

I feel like he is balanced in the sense that his kit doesn't really need changing (although wtf with that ap scaling on the W, who even builds that and why is it there). With that said, I still think because his damage is just mediocre compared to a juggernaut or assassin (even some straight tanks out damage him) he's not as strong of a pick right now.

Most of his success is because he's easy to play. His kit is simple, point click. Also at lower elo, it's easier to capitalize on player mistakes and punish them.

Wukong is a great champion, but if he doesn't get some QOL changes, he'll never be top tier. Too many other champions do what he does, better.

Blue Moon WolfMar 23, 20161 votes

I know he's labeled as a "fighter" but his kit plays like an assassin, the problem with that is he doesn't deal as much damage as pure assassins

Well, he is considered a bruiser, mostly cause of his passive (and possibly his ult). Bruisers have the benefit of being able to build themselves as a glass cannon like a light fighter or tanky like a juggernaut as they are the middle ground between the two. So him building like an assassin is very doable. Also, Riot is planning to update Diving fighters in the foreseeable future (if not right after mage update) and I'm really hoping they pick Wukong as one of the 6 champs they focus on so he can get some good QOL changes.

P.S.: the AP on his W? It's because Rito... I'd like to say it's cause they didn't want his clone to practically become a nuke... but let's be honest, if that was the case they only have to make the scaling on it extremely low, so I'm going to stick with it being because Rito .__.

AninLegions777Mar 21, 20162 votes

That awkward moment when Garen's E deals more dmg than Wukong's Ult. :')

TheVishualMar 21, 20161 votes

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Currently Wukongs ult ticks ever 1 second for 4 seconds what this means is it will only apply damage or knock up ever 1 sec meaning that you can have people which have been in the ult but in-between those intervals so take no damage.

So can we please reduce it to a 0.25 Tick rate so it applies 1/4 of the damage every 0.25 sec so does that same damage overall but means that damage is more consistent and more likely to knock people up when they go into it.

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