So, GP.

Niyumi·Jul 28, 2016·3 votes·1,015 views

He now loses to most top laners. His damage was gutted, his base stats were gutted, his lane presence was gutted, his E charges were gutted... and now he just can't even compete unless the person you're against is a total moron. The only thing he has going for him is his ult now, but you nerfed that too.

Illaoi? She was already broken in the right hands, and then you took her and buffed her through the roof, and now any moron can go and mash buttons on her and win.

GP? Only a god at him can do anything, and even then he has to play incredibly safe or instantly lose -- yet you gut him beyond gutting.

Can we see some kind of buff to his early game, so that he doesn't just melt to nearly every top laner? Maybe revert some of the countless nerfs you did for your precious LC$ money makers. His kit is super fun, he's a pirate (which is super cool), but he's just garbage compared to any other top laner now.

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PermabannedGarenJul 28, 20165 votes

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He now loses to most top laners. His damage was gutted, his base stats were gutted, his lane presence was gutted, his E charges were gutted... and now he just can't even compete unless the person you're against is a total moron. The only thing he has going for him is his ult now, but you nerfed that too.

Illaoi? She was already broken in the right hands, and then you took her and buffed her through the roof, and now any moron can go and mash buttons on her and win.

GP? Only a god at him can do anything, and even then he has to play incredibly safe or instantly lose -- yet you gut him beyond gutting.

Can we see some kind of buff to his early game, so that he doesn't just melt to nearly every top laner? Maybe revert some of the countless nerfs you did for your precious LC$ money makers. His kit is super fun, he's a pirate (which is super cool), but he's just garbage compared to any other top laner now.

You're just bad at him. GP is still one of the strongest top laners in the game, and always will be while he is allowed to get more gold than other champions by simply farming, have a good laning phase with unavoidable harass, have one of the best late games in the game, and have the ability to influence the map with the press of a button, even early game where one would imagine a hypercarry is meant to be weakest.

GP is a broken design. If you're doing poorly with him, it's because you're bad. Which is no surprise, considering you're the same guy who genuinely believes that high elo players aren't any better than you and only abuse OP champions (which is ironic for a GP player, since he is one of the most-used champions in high elo).

Face The LewdJul 28, 20163 votes

Why do people on this board keep asking for GP buffs Please stop, he's already top tier Yes, the champion is subpar if you aren't REALLY good at him, but if you are, he is one of the most powerful champions in the game that can beat 90% of the roster in lane

Any buffs to him would break him

NiyumiJul 28, 20161 votes

One of the most powerful? His kit has more counterplay than most champions, and less damage than most unless incredibly ahead. If he doesn't get constantly ganked, get a ton of assists / kills with his ult, and farm like a monster... he's useless.

RalanrJul 28, 20162 votes

That's the point of being a hypercarry.

DynikusJul 28, 20161 votes

Looking at your last game with him, I'm really confused. You had 12k gold but only had triforce, boots, and ER. You had 4k unspent gold and never bought any of his ult upgrades? edit: oh, you bought 13 pots. that's 650 gold in pots. that's literally the cost of corrupting potion plus the cost of refillable potion.

His oranges are borderline OP, if you have good barrel mechanics there's not much someone can do to counter them, his global ult can turn a fight from anywhere on the map, you can completely destroy the backline with barrels, and his passive lets him melt towers. Like, I don't get what's bad about him?

Swiftstrike4Jul 28, 20163 votes

GP is a high skill cap champion that LOSES in the hands of novice players, but is god-tier in the hands of highly skilled players.

He has a global ultimate that deals a high level of damage, great wave clear, high damage, and a built in QSS from his kit.

He has only been nerfed since he rework as far as I am aware. He probably STILL needs minor nerf. His ability to escape with barrels and oranges, or an ultimate is incredibly annoying.

AstôlfoJul 28, 20163 votes

tfw someone thinks GP is weak and Illaoi is broken lmfao stop crying

NiyumiJul 28, 20161 votes

That feel when I have 120k on GP, and 85k on Illaoi, know them both very well, and know that Illaoi is too strong, and GP is weak unless fed.

AstôlfoJul 28, 20164 votes

And this is why people say mastery points mean nothing, kids.

EndlessSorcererJul 28, 20162 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Gangplank

He's still one of the stronger top-laners with a reliable laning phase, high scaling, great splitpushing and strong global utility.

Heck, his win rate has been climbing in the last few patches.

He's perfectly fine.

NiyumiJul 28, 20161 votes

He wins because of his contribution to his team all game through his ult. On his own, he is just pathetic compared to other top laners. Rene, Garen, Darius, Illaoi, Jax, Kennen, Fiora, Riven... plenty of champs can just make his life miserable in lane, and make him irrelevant outside of his ults.

Yet, he continually gets nerfed, because he makes whales unhappy.

Mig89Jul 28, 20162 votes

hes not garbage ever. If you know how to control waves you can farm safely until mid to late game which is what you are supposed to do with him.

jaggapussJul 28, 20161 votes

gangplank carries most games hes in hes rediculus, reminds me of temmo alot now summoner 14

DynikusJul 28, 20161 votes

GP hasn't even been directly touched since 6.2. No, his laning phase isn't strong. It's not supposed to be. He's a champion that sits back and farms all early game, then is a complete monster late game. If you think he's garbage, I have a feeling you're just not that good with him.

NiyumiJul 28, 20161 votes

So why do we have so many champs who are monsters in lane and all throughout the game? Why does GP need to be pathetic early game? Don't understand that.

Mig89Jul 28, 20161 votes

because hes broken late game. there are a bunch of champs like that. trist and vayne come to mind. Anyone half decent on GP late game is just disgusting to play against

NiyumiJul 28, 20161 votes

Vayne is broken as soon as she puts a point in W. I'm talking someone like Draven, Trundle, Darius, Yasuo, etc. Broken early game, broken late game.

So what's the excuse for GP to be weak?

Mig89Jul 29, 20161 votes

GP isn't weak... Anyone decent on him is a pain in the ass. I don't get where you're coming from lol

Urgot doggy doggJul 28, 20161 votes

wtf he needs nerf if anything

shane is goodJul 28, 20161 votes

watch tobias fate and tell me he sucks

VivaLaKittenJul 28, 20161 votes

Gangplank is very unreliable, but if you can play him right he scales well into late game with his barrels, which harass well early game and yeah Illaoi is way too strong atm

SwiftKitten88Jul 28, 20161 votes

umm?? he E is broken nd needs a nerf if anything

if you use Q to acivate your barrel the explosion does.. (sec let me do the math) 120 + 100%AD +180 bonus champ damage + it counts as a basic attack from item 3078 so thats 200% more damage plus it can crit, so u double that on a crit. and then it ignores 40% of you armor. and an 80% slow

so overall with a 300 damage + 300% AD + crit + 40% armor pen. and an 80% slow even if it does take 2 barrels to use properly .. that's still only a 14 second cooldown with 40% cdr and if u had 3 changes before the fight its only a 7 second cooldown to use it again

your trying to tell me thats needs a BUFF?

it needs either to NOT cound as a basic attack from item 3078 or it needs to LOSE the 40% armor pen

or both but 1 barrel should NOT take 60-80% of you hp if you are at full and at the same time take 40% hp from your 4k hp tank. not in a freaking HUGE aoe

colesyJul 28, 20161 votes

gp is fucking cancer, keep that guy as far away from buffs as possible. a champion that basically has "if you don't ass fuck my entire team and win the game in 20 minutes you auto lose" shouldn't be buffed.

ThugWalrusJul 29, 20161 votes

Honestly I think that GP may just not be your play style. The point of GP in lane is to farm and get to your late-game hyper carry status. You should only be getting solo kills if your opponent is positioning horrible or allows you to get them low enough to surprise kill them through Q harass. But he has the benefit of having a fairly safe laning phase to compensate for his low kill pressure. It is very possible to farm from a distance in a matchup where you have no chance of melee farming (like lissandra) and he also can sit on top of his barrels to deter melee champs that can destroy him if they get to close (like Olaf). He can also use the barrels to get away when somebody like Riven or Renekton tries to jump him. He is certainly susceptible to ganks, but also has his oranges and barrels to provide him some safety. If you want to play a champ that has high kill pressure in lane, does a lot of damage, and is safe, go pick up Renekton or something.

I think GP is honestly one of the better displays of balancing by Riot in the game. He has a godly late game to compensate his relatively weak laning phase, he dishes out a lot of damage but it is telegraphed and can be avoided by attacking his barrels, he has a learning curve that rewards players who are good with him while punishing those that are not, he has multiple viable build paths that meaningfully change his contribution to the team (armor pen = more relevant midgame, crit build = more powerful late game), he has mutiple lanes where he can be effective (top mid, and even bot in the right hands), and most importantly he is fun without being oppressive to the other player.

I am a GP main myself (most played champ in ranked and I think I have ~71% win rate) so I definitely have some basis for my opinions.

CaythelesJul 29, 20161 votes

I would say he just needs his Q mana back.... mana in lane is fucking terrible.

Seraphim117Jul 29, 20161 votes

To the exact contrary I would nerf his early game and buff his late game, he should lose 1v1 to literally everyone top, he isn't supposed to win, he is supposed to farm and then get into a team fight, at which point if he farmed he should be able to dominate