Yi changes by repertoir

D357R0Y3R·Apr 26, 2019·13 votes·11,837 views

https://i.gyazo.com/cda85ddf8004222af408f7b1c20d60ee.png https://twitter.com/RiotRepertoir sounds like a nerf to me

but at least they got ride of the "I WAS IN ALPHA" meme

66 Comments

robotmasterApr 26, 20198 votes

How is this a nerf? It’s a straight buff?

ModWulf HelhammerApr 26, 20199 votes

The passive AD bonus on Wuju style is removed, as well as nerfs to the level 1 2 and 3 AS bonuses on his ult

D357R0Y3RApr 26, 20191 votes

isn't it lvl 2 / lvl 3 ult?

they also reduced his untargeable duration

ModWulf HelhammerApr 26, 20191 votes

oh yep, read that backwards

IArs3lynIApr 26, 20191 votes

idk, it seems more like a huge change, making him much more scarier as 1v1 monster, thanks to his Q having now a 1 second moment, this will make him much more consistent then you think, this will allow actual timing to his Q and increased the damage on his Q, same goes with his W, sometimes you need to hit it earlier to get the value of the damage reduction, now that you dont have that delay, it make him much more smoother because of it.

his R was only enhancing movement speed based off of other items movement speed, this will make him less dependent on gaining movement speed from items while enhancing it. his R attack speed steroid was too much late game, to balance this out, they trim off some of the late game to be more dependent on getting attack speed. they also nerf his E for the reason of the huge buff to his Q that can stack giving him a max damage of being (base value of the alpha + 132% increase damage), this might bring back crit yi from the grave tbh

AdventurismApr 26, 201912 votes

the Q change is a straight buff, yi wasn't invulnerable during the .1 second cast time before. it should make dodging skills with Q much easier.

RagnaveilApr 26, 20191 votes

Which becomes a problem if he gets multiple resets, because you'll practically be unable to lock him down without point click cc.

IllabetheApr 27, 20191 votes

In exchange for being able to hit a single target up to 2 times per alpha strike (I don't see anything about vs Champions it not doing its automatic auto attack right after Alpha completes, so actually THREE times).

In exchange for a much longer initial duration. Now there is no outplay regarding running out the timer. He doesn't need to kill your teammate to kill you now.

In exchange for bonus movement speed that outpaces any other movement speed in the game.

Yi used to be weaker when he was 1v1 that when attacking a group. Now he can do both, and if he singles out a target in a teamfight, he can literally 1 shot them instead of needing 2-3 hits.

He will 1 shot Nami for example very early game just because of the Q change. Nothing she can build will stop it, and her entire strategy for CCing Yi is built around taking that alpha strike..... You bubble where he's going to land. Now.... you'll cast a bubble, but die before it lands.

Ionian VulpixApr 26, 20193 votes

So if he goes to someone in a 1v1 and uses Q, will he strike then 4 times? If so, that might be broken because even though each strike will do reduced damage, it'll still be a lot of time the target won't be able to retaliate because of the invulnerability.

ModAcademy KaynApr 27, 20193 votes

This probably means a lot more with the Phantom Hit on item 3124 being moved to every third hit as well.

BLIGHTBRINGERApr 27, 20191 votes

That's not confined to ship to live servers yet, those are still experientational changes.

SaevumApr 27, 20193 votes

This Yi changes are as you said, a nerf. He lost a lot of DPS.

He lost Bonus Attack Speed and Damage Ratio in the same Patch change. IF they go through with it.

I cannot calculate how the shift of the Duration of Highlander will affect him. But i am gonna bet that he lost "possible follow ups" between one target and another. The E nerf is gonna hit his early. Hard.

Düff McWhalenApr 26, 20192 votes

The way I read the Q changes was if he doesn't have 4 targets to jump to then the remaining jumps just stick to a single target. So like if I alpha someone who's alone with no allies or monsters near them, they take 4 full hits and can't react.

D357R0Y3RApr 26, 20192 votes

it's not full hit

it's reduced to 33% damage

can't react

not getting that part

taleofsonataApr 27, 20191 votes

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it's not full hit

it's reduced to 33% damage

not getting that part

Can still fucking crit

SucctionApr 27, 20192 votes

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Can still fucking crit

Good thing Yi doesn't actually build crit

IllabetheApr 27, 20193 votes

You really haven't played long. He built crit until Phantom hit was moved to Guinsoo's. Every. Single. Game. He will be building it now, because this guarantees up to 3 hits to a single champion. If on Crit, its damage will outstrip Guinsoo's, since Alpha doesn't apply on hit but DOES apply crit.

He's literally going to have a 3000 damage Q if the person is alone.

SucctionApr 27, 20193 votes

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You really haven't played long. He built crit until Phantom hit was moved to Guinsoo's. Every. Single. Game. He will be building it now, because this guarantees up to 3 hits to a single champion. If on Crit, its damage will outstrip Guinsoo's, since Alpha doesn't apply on hit but DOES apply crit.

He's literally going to have a 3000 damage Q if the person is alone.

I've played a long time. I'm aware he used to build crit, but he hasn't in years.

He's never going to have a 3000 damage Q. That would require his regular Q to be doing in excess of 1600 damage, which just isn't possible.

IllabetheApr 27, 20193 votes

Learn how Q works.

If the target is a champion, Q finishes with an automatic Auto Attack.

1 hit + 3 33% hits + 1 auto is what it will do per Q.

Say he has 400 AD with 100% Crit with E activated.

His base damage will be 565

565 *2 (2 total hits) + auto = 1530

If he crits, the multiplier is 1.75

2677.5 Damage.

If E is active, the True damage on the finishing auto will be 125

2805 damage Q.

That does not include any rune buffs like Press the Attack, Electrocute, Conquerer AD bonus, or Sudden Impact, which will all activate now on Q, since Q hits up to 4 times, and followed by an auto.

SaevumApr 27, 20192 votes

Wait, so subsequent Q's will also have a 33% damage that can also crit without him being the one re-casting Q? I thought only first aoe Q would crit. He's broken.

D357R0Y3RApr 27, 20192 votes

then you realise he doesn't build crit, and if he does he ends up incredibly squishy

IllabetheApr 27, 20191 votes

He built Crit for 7 years, until Phantom hit was moved to Guinsoo's from the jungle item.....

lil kodaApr 27, 20191 votes

and now that phantom hit is getting nerfed, well.... cant wait.

IllabetheApr 27, 20191 votes

Yes. They are basically making his Q Fiora's old ult (Old Fiora's Ult hit up to 5 times, and if it was a single target, all 5 hits would be to 1 target, while she was unstoppable. The strategy to beat her was literally to fight in groups or near a lot of minions. Otherwise you were just dead. And that was an ult.)

D357R0Y3RApr 27, 20192 votes

Yi will never have 400 ad and 100% crit

I call that bullshit

SaevumApr 27, 20191 votes

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Yi will never have 400 ad and 100% crit

I call that bullshit

Just a speculation clac, how much AD can he achieve if he goes Gathering Storm and DH?

D357R0Y3RApr 27, 20193 votes

DH doesn't give AD tho? Idk about Gstorm

but Yi already doesn't have much ad he builds a lot of on-hit, I would say at best 200 AD, AT BEST and they're removing his E bonus AD. And he also doesn't have 100% crit.

SaevumApr 27, 20191 votes

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DH doesn't give AD tho?

I allows the user 25% of bonus AD when it procs.

v8.23 PROC THRESHOLD : Dark Harvest procs against enemy champions below 50% health PROCS ON : [Basic attacks] ⇒ Any damage DAMAGE : 50-80 (lv 1-18) (+0.25 bonus attack damage)(+0.15 AP)+ 8 damage per harvested soul ARAM : Souls increase Dark Harvest's damage by 4 on ARAM, rather than 8 COOLDOWN : 45 seconds, reset to 1.5 seconds on champion takedown

SaevumApr 27, 20191 votes

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I allows the user 25% of bonus AD when it procs.

v8.23 PROC THRESHOLD : Dark Harvest procs against enemy champions below 50% health PROCS ON : [Basic attacks] ⇒ Any damage DAMAGE : 50-80 (lv 1-18) (+0.25 bonus attack damage)(+0.15 AP)+ 8 damage per harvested soul ARAM : Souls increase Dark Harvest's damage by 4 on ARAM, rather than 8 COOLDOWN : 45 seconds, reset to 1.5 seconds on champion takedown

Edit: don't know if allows crit.

IllabetheApr 27, 20191 votes

If Yi builds Crit he can easily push 400+.

He was pushing 400 AD before Season 8 runes lol because of E.

item 3031 (80) item 3124 (25) item 3508 (65) item 1419 (0) item 3139 (50)

That's 220 Bonus, 66-117 Base AD, so up to 327 with item 1419 as the jungle item.

That's before Runes.

If he takes Domination, 18 from runes, 6 from small runes.

If he takes Sorcery, AD varies.

If he takes Conquerer, up to 18.

That puts him over 350 without even considering runes with scalability, Infernal Drakes.

The only thing keeping him from a pure 400 is the fact he generally builds item 1419

D357R0Y3RApr 27, 20192 votes

sure

if you want to troll build go ahead

IllabetheApr 27, 20191 votes

Nothing about that build is troll lol.

DoozkuApr 27, 20192 votes

This build is uber expensive and leaves you with no defensive items outside of QSS. It also only gives 50% crit as opposed to the 100% crit specified.

Haze97Apr 27, 20191 votes

Why the fuck would you build defensive items on Yi? Are you planning on being the tank?

DoozkuApr 28, 20191 votes

On u.gg you see Master Yi regularly buying items like item 3026 , item 3053 , item 3156 , etc. Even stuff like item 3153 and item 3091 have defensive attributes.

Haze97Apr 29, 20191 votes

The only items you need on Yi are Bork + Rageblade to max out his dps. Throw in a Scimitar and Ga in case you get caught. Building defense on Yi is a waste of money and you're better off playing Jax in which case.

IllabetheApr 28, 20191 votes

Actually it's par for the course of what Yi buys right now..... and if Guinsoo's is getting nerfed, people may drop it altogether in favor of item 3087 , which brings the crit rate to 75% and is also crit multiplied by item 3031

DoozkuApr 28, 20191 votes

Not really, like I said in the other post Yi commonly builds defensive items like item 3026 item 3053 item 3156 etc which this build doesn't have room for. Oh, and the crit build takes longer to scale than the standard on-hit build as well.

SucctionApr 28, 20191 votes

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Learn how Q works.

If the target is a champion, Q finishes with an automatic Auto Attack.

1 hit + 3 33% hits + 1 auto is what it will do per Q.

Say he has 400 AD with 100% Crit with E activated.

His base damage will be 565

565 *2 (2 total hits) + auto = 1530

If he crits, the multiplier is 1.75

2677.5 Damage.

If E is active, the True damage on the finishing auto will be 125

2805 damage Q.

That does not include any rune buffs like Press the Attack, Electrocute, Conquerer AD bonus, or Sudden Impact, which will all activate now on Q, since Q hits up to 4 times, and followed by an auto.

So you're telling me that Yi is going to get 100% crit chance AND 400 AD?

In what imaginary world does Yi buy 4 infinity edges?

And I think you're forgetting that armor exists.

IllabetheApr 28, 20191 votes

Realistically he can synthesize ~ 400 AD and 75% Crit, plus rune damage.

item 3031 item 3087 item 3508 item 1419 item 3139

can equal 355 AD

while also applying the on hit % damage, Shiv damage, and the Shiv damage gets full amplification from IE. The damage caused by the Shiv far exceeds the damage caused by a single raw AD item.

Realistically this build will result in over 3000 damage from one Q.

And yes. People can build some defenses. But..... Conquerer....... Yi's E..... Sudden Impact all shred it to some extent.

I think you need to read the posts succeeding the one you replied to.

SucctionApr 28, 20191 votes

You suddenly adding in an auto attack doesn't mean his Q deals more damage. That means the auto attack after the Q dealt damage.

His Q can't even come close to 2k with that build, assuming 0 armor and somehow no units around to hold the rest of the Q.

IllabetheApr 29, 20191 votes

Again.... you are completely oblivious to what you are arguing.

The auto attack I'm mentioning IS part of the Q because it's part of the skill, and doesn't happen otherwise. It's a skill cut auto attack that is literally the finish of the skill and unavoidable.

If the primary target is a champion, Master Yi will basic attack that champion when Alpha Strike finishes.

If the primary target is a minon or monster, Master Yi can buffer either Highlander Highlander or Wuju Style Wuju Style, but he will not automatically basic attack the target.

As a Champion target only benefit, that's a skill benefit, not an auto attack.

P.S. I did the math and showed you.

It can do over 2800.

taleofsonataApr 27, 20191 votes

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Good thing Yi doesn't actually build crit

Bad thing they buffed crit items.

SucctionApr 28, 20191 votes

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Bad thing they buffed crit items.

If Yi goes crit, he's worthless and unable to even clear well until 2 and a half items.

On-hit Yi starts 1v3ing at 2 items with triple the clear speed, lol.

IllabetheApr 27, 20191 votes

It's still up to 2 full hits plus the auto attack at the end of it if the primary target is a champion.

Aka 3 hits without mitigation.

Used to be only 2 hits without mitigation, or if the primary target was a minion, 1 hit

5StackUltOneShotApr 26, 20191 votes

Can someone explain the Q change? It seems like he just re-alphas the same target but for 33% damage four times over

D357R0Y3RApr 27, 20191 votes

I think it's only two times

ThefrostyvikingApr 27, 20192 votes

As i read it ......if his Q doesnt hit any additional targets then it will hit the same target before checking again if there are any new targets, rinse and repeat until it runs out of charges.