ARAM: Oracles Extract should not reveal Talon and Akali

OyddAWqJ5r··6 votes·1,122 views

From the stealth champ perspective, when your stealth is invalidated by 300g it feels far more oppressive than an ADC feels when being killed during the updated assassin's easily counterplayable 3-5 second burst window.

Stealth champions' kits were reworked to accommodate for how strong stealth is and provide tons of room for counterplay without stealth detection. Oracles turns that "room for counterplay" into "5 minutes of invalidation for 300g".

Give it the SR treatment. It should only reveal traps, not champs.

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Jbels2 votes

Yes, but the opposite is also true. 5 different abilities (passive included) gimped by one (because of stealth). Multiply that by 5 because nobody can see you on the enemy team and that's 25 different answers to you erased by the push of a single ability. That far outweighs 300 gold

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

If that's your logic then Fizz pole and Vladimir pool gimp 25 abilities simultaneously at the push of a single ability.

That far outweighs 300g and should have a 300g counter item.

Jbels1 votes

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If that's your logic then Fizz pole and Vladimir pool gimp 25 abilities simultaneously at the push of a single ability.

That far outweighs 300g and should have a 300g counter item.

They are also entirely visible for the duration and can't actually do anything during their moments of invincibility. Stealth champions can go invisible, walk up to anyone they want to, and shart out all of their kit unopposed

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

Talon doesn't simply walk around invisible and instantly kill you with no warning either. He has to press R giving you a huge visual and audio warning that he's coming and ample time to group up, which is vastly stronger and more consistent in ARAM's forced 5 man lane play, AND THEN he has to reappear and hit Q->W->AA->2nd hit W + possibly another AA to kill a SQUISHY target. DON'T FORGET that W has a huge delay on the return and a TON of his damage is loaded into his DoT passive meaning his kill power is delayed and can be counterbought by Zhonya's and counterplayed by shielding, healing, CC, mobility spells and outright being focused and ofcourse killed by all 5 enemies before he can pull his combo off.

Now add Oracles to the "counterbought" list and you just have a balanced assassin that is now an unfairly gimped one. All the above applies to Kha Zix's and Akali's in-fight weaving playstyles as well, which are entirely cemented in the pseudo-defense of invisibility to where they cannot function if they are simply visible 24/7.

ANOTHER THING is that if someone who has Oracle's Zhonya's as Talon ults, Talon will not only be unable to attack them but that unit will still also reveal Talon from within the Zhonya effect for their team, effectively acting as an old SR pink ward and invalidating Talon even further.

Lauchmelder1 votes

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3-5 second burst window.

2 things: That's not burst And 3-5 seconds on a Talon might happen when Talon isn't fed. If he's just slightly ahead he can just instagib you.

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