Watching adc's melt down anyone is really making me HATE this game...

option paralysis·Aug 27, 2017·106 votes·5,009 views

Who doesn't like twitch coming out of nowhere and right clicking you from 800 range. WOOO I sure got outplayed baby, he stood there and right clicked me, wooooooooo. I sure am sorry I don't have 500 armor and 5k hp, mb amirite. Then draven hitting 2 axes on you and you're dead. Kog literally standing still and melting who the fuck he wants by right clicking. Everybody building shiv IE with warlods, diversity up the ass. I just have no words for this shit anymore, whole game is so wildly unbalanced it's making me so fucking sad.

143 Comments

ShadòwAug 27, 201750 votes

your fault for not winning the game pre 10 min

DivewingAug 28, 20176 votes

his fault for not winning before 6 min

KarfussAug 28, 201722 votes

His fault for the enemy ADC not being AFK.

DivewingAug 28, 20178 votes

His fault for not winning before installing

FirethornAug 28, 201715 votes

His fault for not outplaying the enemy's mouse

MhihnjAug 28, 201715 votes

his fault for not buying redemption on Zed. He could have saved his tristana.

notice me Sin piAug 28, 20177 votes

correction: your fault for not winning the game before minions spawn

FatedSaviourAug 28, 20177 votes

your fault for not winning in champ select

General Esdeath Aug 28, 201720 votes

Well when Riot reworks every "problem" except the one class that

A) gets damage and safety in the same items item 3812 item 3046 (even have dance in both of them) B) melts anyone from a safe range C) ALWAYS abuses items that get nerfed if any melee champs abuse them

Then we're left at where we are now. Remember the cycle of Assassin > marksman > tank > assassin? Yeah I miss season 4 too.

Also I recall adc mains sending death threats to Riot during the "ADC in 2017 LUL" phase. I think it's time we change this class that's toxic in game and playerbase.

Dominick DestineAug 28, 20174 votes

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gets damage and safety in the same items

item 3157 ? item 1401 ? item 3146 ?

Succubús GFAug 28, 20179 votes

Cinderhulk is fucking trash now Zhonyas got nerfed and is now niche Gunblade is built on so few and its not for safety , but sustain.

Dominick DestineAug 28, 20174 votes

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Cinderhulk is fucking trash now Zhonyas got nerfed and is now niche

Is that so? I guess that's why we never see them in LCS... oh wait...

Gunblade is built on so few and its not for safety , but sustain.

Sustain is part of safety, not to mention the active doubles as intiation and escape mechanism, a fairly weak one but one nonetheless.

Succubús GFAug 28, 20176 votes

Itemization being weaker doesn't mean it wont get used. Rylais got nerfed and yet it is still useful. Mind you that and got nerfed very hard and haven't seen 50% in a while but yet they are still in lcs, they still aren't good though. You're so condescending and you aren't even right xd

Is that so? I guess that's why we never see them in LCS... oh wait...

Safety is more along the lines of mobility. And the sustain from gunblade isn't even why it is bought, It is more for the active slow and damage. Tell me who builds it for sustain mostly? Akali? No. Kat? No. Jax? No. I mean honestly it's a rare item in general so you don't really know what you are talking about

Sustain is part of safety, not to mention the active doubles as intiation and escape mechanism, a fairly weak one but one nonetheless.

yoshi2790Aug 28, 20171 votes

I agree for cinderhulk and Zhonyas. But darling, Gunblade is built on more champions than before with Ahri Leblanc etc... using it right now

Succubús GFAug 28, 20174 votes

Please don't use darling in responses, it comes off extremely condescending. I only build gunblade on ahri if I need the active or if I'm required to auto more. Lb is in the dumpster anyways~ Kidding, not really though. It's still situational at best. About 6-7 champions build it as core out of the 130+ champions

TheHappyReaperzAug 28, 20172 votes

Someone forgot the marksman rework.

General Esdeath Aug 28, 201714 votes

Oh you mean the item update when these two cancer sticks item 3046 item 3812 were added and abused by every marksman NOT in that update? Kappa

xDD my bad let me add it in!

Caitlyn Traps are now on an ammo system so more traps and more damage on said traps because fuck you for walking into lane.

Graves What's better than an ammo system on a farm heavy champ? An ammo system on their AUTO ATTACKS! And to make up for that he's going to have absolute insane fucking damage and tank stats from his passive because fuck you for getting close to a "melee" ranged champ xDDD

Corki Moved to mid lane and then dumpstered after being nerfed after the "we're adding more damage" rework. Basically we played hokey pokey with his damage.

KogMaw What rework?

Quinn You mispelled Talon because we added mobility and raw damage. Seemed like a good idea for that ult, after all. nothing says tag team like throwing your partner at the enemy's face then letting them carry you (Just like your mid laner!"

MissFortune We added a nice new feature to the passive and changed her hair color. All she's good for is her ult? Well we better make that ult stronger while the rest of her kit is trash but Q gets unholy damage!

Gentleman JeyAug 28, 20175 votes

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I remember the KogMaw rework. That shit was cancer.

General Esdeath Aug 28, 20172 votes

It would have been a cool concept but they added damage reduction without reducing on-hit effects

Dominick DestineAug 28, 201716 votes

Inb4 "it's not adcs , it's ardent censer"

Best princess EUAug 27, 201712 votes

i agree except that draven takes skill

i myself cannot play draven, needs to pay attention to axes, but also to incomming enemies/spells

at least he's harder than other adcs that do not rely on anything

sobi999Aug 27, 201716 votes

I don't think you need to actually catch his axes to kill. He literally can burst with his Q and AA alone.

Dominick DestineAug 28, 20175 votes

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I don't think you need to actually catch his axes to kill. He literally can burst with his Q and AA alone.

He requires significantly more skill than brainless faceroll op champs like Yasuo or to a lesser extent, Zed.

Whut Thuh Aug 28, 201712 votes

yasuo and zed take skill, you just suck at playing against them

CoIpsumAug 28, 20172 votes

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He requires significantly more skill than brainless faceroll op champs like Yasuo or to a lesser extent, Zed.

Except Yasuo needs to be within 175 range to hit you with his autos, is extremely squishy and ungodly susceptible to CC And then Zed is not a "face-roll" champion, play him yourself and then talk about how "brainless" he is. Zed has extremely in-depth mechanics and requires some of the most skill out of every assassin in the game.

here's a couple of actual facerollers: Katarina Fizz Graves Malzahar To a lesser extent Ahri Jax Irelia can basically faceroll if they're fed.

DKM BismarckAug 28, 20173 votes

Katarina doesn't even faceroll anymore, she is hard to play too. Up there with Zed in terms of skill floor and skill ceiling.

zaire90Aug 28, 20171 votes

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Katarina doesn't even faceroll anymore, she is hard to play too. Up there with Zed in terms of skill floor and skill ceiling.

I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

DKM BismarckAug 28, 20175 votes

I'm not being sarcastic, a fair amount of the community believe that Katarina is not an easy champion to play, I don't know what it is or why that is because her kit seems simple enough, but good execution of it is NOT easy to accomplish, just because a rather big minority of people think she is "faceroll" because they have no idea how to deal with her, doesn't mean she actually is "faceroll". She just has lots of "hidden" micro that you don't really notice when you get burst by her.

Graves ALSO isn't faceroll. Fizz and Malz are, though. And I am not even defending these champions because I play them often / at all, I am defending them because calling them faceroll is absolutely certainly not correct.

xJLx MCHammerAug 27, 201730 votes

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i agree except that draven takes skill

i myself cannot play draven, needs to pay attention to axes, but also to incomming enemies/spells

at least he's harder than other adcs that do not rely on anything

He used to be harder when he actually consecutively spin his axes for longer duration. Now, he just runs at you and can 2-3 shot you mid-late game.

SohleksAug 27, 201718 votes

This is the truest point

DormidonAug 28, 20178 votes

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He used to be harder when he actually consecutively spin his axes for longer duration. Now, he just runs at you and can 2-3 shot you mid-late game.

Still better than Tristana Twitch KogMaw item 3504

Critmaster GarenAug 28, 20173 votes

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i agree except that draven takes skill

i myself cannot play draven, needs to pay attention to axes, but also to incomming enemies/spells

at least he's harder than other adcs that do not rely on anything

while youre correct, his axe mechanic still needs work.

the main issue with it is imo that the axe damage is frontloaded and he gets it on his first auto attack already just for pressing the botton.

in many cases he can press w, run at a squishy and 2 shot them just by getting a crit on his first auto attack after pressing q, and then critting his enemy a second time with a regular auto attack. he doesnt even need to catch the axe to burst out squishy opponents.

they should make the axe damage ramp up over multiple axe catches imo.

give him nothing on his first auto attack, half the damage after he caught the first axe, and full damage after he caught his second axe.

OtterlyLostAug 28, 201712 votes

I'm real tired of seeing these whiny threads about ADC's being "OP." :/ They aren't in the least. Some of them are in need of toning back(looking at Draven and Twitch, the latter of which has been a top ADC all fucking season without any signs of nerfs) but some are only currently strong because their items got buffed. Tristana is literally the same champ she's been for ages. They gave her a very minor buff at the start of the season when she had a 44-48% win rate and was ridiculously struggling to do anything. The buff helped actually balance her out to a nice 50% winrate. She's only doing the same things she's been doing all season, like Caitlyn before her. Caitlyn who the boards circle jerked, whined, and tantrumed about until she was fucking Azir'd and unplayable. Caitlyn who was at a very solid 50% win rate, never strayed above it, and, while she had a high play rate, was perfectly balanced in how you dealt with her. Caitlyn who was basically a less mobile Ezreal; all of the same range, poke, and easiness with the same stupidly high play rate but with the addition of a blink on 8 or less second CD and who never saw any nerfs at the height of his 30% popularity and only ever saw buffs. Caitlyn who apparently needed to be so severely nerfed despite being one of the biggest counters to many of the ADC's that the boards are complaining about now. Like how dare she have a 50% win rate, 30% play rate, and deal with all of those pesky hyper carries like Tristana, Twitch, and Kog'maw in lane. Or how dare she poke Draven out and keep him from power spiking. How dare she do her job just fine. :/

The boards are literally a bunch of babies who have no idea how the game works and only want to whine that,"OMG everything is brokeeeen" without ever actually addressing the champions that are obnoxious and problem children. Like I said, Twitch has had an above 50% win rate(53-55%) since. The. Preseason And there's been minimal whining or whinging about this little asshole rat who can stealth for 8 to 11 seconds at a time, pop up out of nowhere and annihilate your team with three different but completely viable builds(Lethality, Crit, and BoRK).

But my god, Caitlyn or Tristana are popular and literally only have been "strong" for two months top, and all holy fucking hell breaks loose about them. The champions themselves are not even strong and this is coming from someone who mained both. But the board is going to bitch and moan because it worked with Caitlyn and now it's going to work with Tristana. Because Riot aren't going to address the elephant in the room and fix the crit items; why would they do that. They're going to butcher and neuter individual champions so that people who legitimately play them and enjoy playing them will have to work a million times harder to play them and win while meta sheep just jump ship to the next biggest and strongest dick head that rears up.

ReveryAug 28, 20175 votes

Thank you fo this! I've Maines Trist since I started playing and I remember people calling her almost trash tier, now everyone is complaining about her. I'm honestly terrified of them gutting her when she's not even the best champ to begin with, it's just the ridiculous items at the moment. I even remember playing against Cait and sure she was annoying, but she definitely could be dealt with, she did her job. But nope, the boards can't handle having to learn to play against certain champs. Twitch definitely deserves nerfs much more than Cait. Sorry for mini-rant, but anyways thank you for the amazing reply to OP.

statelesskillerAug 28, 20178 votes

not to mention they get items that perfectly counters there weakness's

item 3812 item 3046 oh lol now im not squishy item 3036 now tanks arent tanky item 3085 item 3087 lack of wave clear whats that? item 3094 short ranged? whos short ranged?

yoshi2790Aug 28, 20174 votes

item 3046 12% dmg reduction, considering the normal ADC setup this is about ~27 armor early game and ~40 late game versus physical damage. That is not alot lol

statelesskillerAug 29, 20172 votes

item 3026 now add this item to the equation. phantom dancers dmg reduction becomes more valuable the more armor you have

Acheron16Aug 28, 20175 votes

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not to mention they get items that perfectly counters there weakness's

oh lol now im not squishy now tanks arent tanky lack of wave clear whats that? short ranged? whos short ranged?

item 3135 Now everyone isn't tanky.

See? Anyone can use stupid arguments like you did. Try to actually use logic.

FireToaAug 28, 20177 votes

Most threads complaining about adcs always complain about Twitch, Draven, Tristana. Pretty much the op ones and they generalize all adcs. I understand adcs are strong right now but not EVERY SINGLE ONE is broken. Plus melting are what adcs are meant to do. They are meant to do dps and melt the target over time.

Bronze DemonAug 28, 20174 votes

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Most threads complaining about adcs always complain about Twitch, Draven, Tristana. Pretty much the op ones and they generalize all adcs. I understand adcs are strong right now but not EVERY SINGLE ONE is broken. Plus melting are what adcs are meant to do. They are meant to do dps and melt the target over time.

Except they burst and have drain tanking, which is not what they are supposed to have.

Yordle XayahAug 28, 20177 votes

Tristana has the exact same kit/numbers she had in 7.13 when she was the 15th worst ADC in the game. She wasn't buffed. The only change she has had since Season 5 (Yes, that far back) was a 2 second cool down reduction on her Q earlier this year. That was prior to the patch I mentioned before (7.13)

But of course nobody knows, remembers or cares about that, or understanding any of it. Everyone just jumps onto the hate train.

ReveryAug 28, 20173 votes

Thank you so much. Nobody seems to remember that just a few months ago, she was almost considered trash tier. Nothing about her has changed. We should probably check the items before we blame the ADC, especially given the conditions you said. Again thank you for saying this.

Somebody Love MeSep 9, 20171 votes

But all her items were buffed since then, so...

Yordle XayahSep 9, 20172 votes

Exactly, and I hate that. Screw Crit Strike. I'm sick of the stat, which should have gone the way of Dodge years ago.

A champion designed to reach her full power at 35 - 40 mins is doing so at 20 - 25 mins because how cheap/powerful IE and Shiv are. But I doubt Riot would ever do anything about Crit.

CoIpsumAug 28, 20172 votes

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Most threads complaining about adcs always complain about Twitch, Draven, Tristana. Pretty much the op ones and they generalize all adcs. I understand adcs are strong right now but not EVERY SINGLE ONE is broken. Plus melting are what adcs are meant to do. They are meant to do dps and melt the target over time.

Well if it was overtime then I don't think there would be that much of a problem Issue is, most ADCs can delete other ADCs or squishies in only 1/2 seconds come late-game if none of you have bought item 3047 , and then it takes like 3/4 seconds to die to an ADC.