we're seeing some pretty significant damage nerfs in preseason

Moody P·10/23/2019, 4:27:20 PM·76 votes·19,454 views

did the boards boogeyman really spook riot?

dragon bonuses are noticeably weaker per stack and getting double/triple of the same one is harder (e.g triple infernal is much rarer)
spellthiefs no longer doing damage is a huge alleviation of mage support base damages
lethality lowered per item, duskblade losing CDR and getting a worse build path, edge of night having its niche solidified as that item you scroll past quickly to find youmuus faster
conqueror the "muh tank killer" rune no longer converting to true damage, reworked into a rune that's still vastly inferior to PTA

just a quick reminder that this is a boards wet dream preseason but they don't want to admit that they've been catered to

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ModWulf Helhammer10/23/2019, 4:36:40 PM67 votes

I will say this: if we dont see nerfs to AP items as well, I'm calling supreme bullshit.

Mages have been broken to near-broken pretty much since the MYMU, and its been warping every other role since.

Edge of Daybreak10/23/2019, 4:59:50 PM39 votes

Depending on what else comes out I’m all for damage nerfs but if riot is only going to fuck over two classes and leave everyone else insane then we are going to have a repeat of hey we made ad assassins suck again time for duskblade 2.0 premium strength bandaid

Hayaishi210/23/2019, 6:48:26 PM27 votes

And damage will still be too high so who cares?

Ηuawei10/23/2019, 8:25:10 PM22 votes

Riot needs to remove CDR from most items and make it a stat you have to built into again and not coming free with your items.

As a mage in the older days you HAD to itemize everything to get 40% and those items didnt have AP built into them so you sacrificed damage for shorter cooldowns.

If Mages can do their rotations less often then there's an actual trade off for when and how to use your skills instead of blowing them all to one shot people so you can rotate again in 2 seconds.

That goes for the rest of the classes.

CDR needs to be something you build in and not free through 1 item (Ludens) and a keystone making cap at 40% instantly.

Shaydrox10/23/2019, 8:12:44 PM16 votes

Lethality items are getting a set bonus, the first lethality item gives +5 lethality and 10% cdr, the second lethality item will give +10 lethality and another 10% cdr. So all in all you'll be getting similar lethality values, in fact the first item spikes will be even bigger with lategame being a bit weaker. Not sure how happy that makes me tbh...

5050BS10/23/2019, 8:06:21 PM14 votes

The New lethality item is BROKEN AF

Hi im 1210/23/2019, 11:20:28 PM14 votes

turrets are literal paper in season 10, rift heralds respawn, dragons are paper as well, snowball is harder than ever, more gold in the game, solo laners further ahead in xp. catered to? yeah no, the overall game became even faster, its just that if they didn't nerf damage a little the games would literally always be 15 minutes.

Aeonian Supreme10/23/2019, 8:21:52 PM12 votes

It seems like you conveniently forgot to mention the part where they put an instant execute on the elder drake dragon buff, hm

Jenivie10/23/2019, 7:54:20 PM10 votes

The lethality set bonuses give the 20% CDR and an extra 15 lethality

Rıots Bad Client10/23/2019, 6:16:00 PM10 votes

To bad MR items still suck and only purpose of building ANY MR, if you have synergize with it in your kit or just have healing for item 3065

Vlada Cut10/23/2019, 6:49:47 PM10 votes

So Conqueror is going to be like old Fervor of Favor now, literally like the old version of itself without having it overloaded with True Damage conversion.

YES.

Doesn't change the fact I will keep using it on Camille cause she can still deal more true damage through bonus adaptive force gained unlike PTA.

At least toxic shits like Jax and MasterYi will be less toxic now, not to mention Jax is getting the double clap on his ass if we count the removal of item 3161 too.

IAintDarius10/23/2019, 7:18:45 PM9 votes

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just a quick reminder that this is a boards wet dream preseason but they don't want to admit that they've been catered to

This feels like a massive stretch for an insult. No one is going around sweating over if riot gave them TOO much attention.

Support Position10/24/2019, 12:23:53 PM7 votes

Dragons are being nerfed, however massive buffs from the "Souls" and "Elder" making dragons more overpowered than ever.
Spellthief's DOES do extra damage on proc. - 'Support Please' is my PBE account. I can confirm.
Lethality is lowered. But overall is doing more damage. As there's more than one and is NO LONGER unique passive. AND one of them is EXTRA ISOLATION damage x2 Isolation btw.
Conq is the only thing on this list that's getting gutted. But its still turning into front loaded extra damage in other ways by damage stacking on it. And you obtain huge amounts of healing. Welcome new adc rune.

Preseason isn't lower damage. Its the same or higher as someone whos already played it.

Minimac200010/23/2019, 7:17:59 PM2 votes

Why is getting double or triple of one drake harder? Just elder spawns earlier so less drakes?