What's with the recent graves hate?

Marshbouy·Jul 8, 2016·1 votes·237 views

He's sub 50% win rate in top/jungle. for overall placement hes 11/52 for jungle and 38/58 for top. He's not even that good right now. Is it just the frustration of fighting him?

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venomous frostJul 8, 20162 votes

he's just another anti melee champion with no counterplay for melees whatsoever. he belongs in the class together with Cassiopeia Gnar Teemo Azir

he's just tankier and easier to play than those.

alasarcherJul 8, 20161 votes

Its not even frustrating to fight him. Its frustrating for him to fight u as u hide behind minions and tank

CaítlynJul 8, 20161 votes

Because Graves has

-dps -huge burst damage -huge aoe damage -"skillshots" that are very easy to hit -smokescreen (AOE Quinn blind not stopped by minions) -waveclear -mobility (because his ult needed a dash) -bonus damage to melee targets (shouldnt melees be rewarded for being in melee range?) -low cds -low mana costs -huge sustain (healing for 500 per hit by midgame) -tankiness (up to 120 free armor and mr wtf)

???

Im trying to find his weaknesses but...???

MarshbouyJul 8, 20161 votes

Clearly you did not read the post. He's only considered high tier in the jungle role, even then it's only number 11

JamesTheMage17Jul 8, 20161 votes

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Because Graves has

-dps -huge burst damage -huge aoe damage -"skillshots" that are very easy to hit -smokescreen (AOE Quinn blind not stopped by minions) -waveclear -mobility (because his ult needed a dash) -bonus damage to melee targets (shouldnt melees be rewarded for being in melee range?) -low cds -low mana costs -huge sustain (healing for 500 per hit by midgame) -tankiness (up to 120 free armor and mr wtf)

???

Im trying to find his weaknesses but...???

I agree with about 90% of this, excluding low mana costs. Also, you should emphasize where it says (because his ult needed a dash) by saying (because his ult NEEDED a dash)