We've got a problem with magic penetration

The Ecdysiast··4 votes·2,220 views

It seems the go-to for any AP champion these days is to get Morello and Sorc shoes as fast as possible after their core item.'Cause 33 pen right off the bat is just a great deal when every champion has lower MR than armor to start. It's enough to completely negate the MR of any Ranged champion, even.

Then there's the fact their first item grants all the resource and CDR they could ask for on top of a great passive.

It's a little strange that mages and AP assassins can just opt for a bunch of pen with essentially no trade-off, since the secondary stats they need are all in their first item. And with Morello's granting both HP and GW, it covers defense as well as enemy healing on top of the penetration. Then there's the fact that unlike armor penetration, there's a boot enchantment for magic penetration, making it even more accessible with no downside since it doesn't have some kind of balance trade-off like lower MS than other boots.

I don't think it's right for every mage and ap assassin to be able to just buy a bunch of penetration and have it be effective in pretty much every scenario thanks to base MR.

Should MR be increased, at least to the level of melee champs, across the board? Maybe. Though I think it'd be better to shift magic penetration off of items with health like Morello and Liandry's, and off of boots, onto more offense-focused items. Probably an entirely new set of items.

13 Comments

Woodakoodashooda3 votes

In what match up does a mage rush morello's? It really is a niche item for when you're dealing with an enemy Mundo, Nasus, Garen, Darius, and the like. It's just gold inefficient otherwise.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Pretty much every match-up now. Though they usually finish Oblivion Orb and Sorc shoes first, right after their core item. The magic pen makes it no longer a niche item, since that on top of sorc shoes makes you completely negate all the MR of any ranged target.

Crystalysk1 votes

If you don’t need the grievous wound passive, morello is a really bad buy. People just sit on the oblivion orb most of the times and finish it later in the game after they got all their core items.

I sometimes even sell my oblivion orb for better items later in the game.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

That's not true though...

And you building wrong has no effect on the trends.

Crystalysk1 votes

So, the result of me building wrong is me having 67% and 76% win rate on my two main champions in solo queue.

I guess I’ll keep building wrong then.

Ahri Baka1 votes

There are no mages that can rush Morello unless you are facing Vladimir Most of cases item 3157 is second item , even if you are not laning against an assassin laning phase is over anyway after an item + completed boots

The Ecdysiast1 votes

after their core item

And, no, Zhonya's is usually not second. It's usually Morello now.

Ahri Baka1 votes

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And, no, Zhonya's is usually not second. It's usually Morello now.

if you wanna still get shot by Zed Talon Khazix Rengar Fizz MasterYi And tons of other champions then ye sure buy it , but I'm afraid you won't be able to use it fully Zhonia is a must buy second item in most of cases Not only against AD champions , it works against most of champions in the game

Pika Fox1 votes

No, pretty sure everyone else is correct. Unless its aram or the enemy has a lot of healing, morellos just isnt a good 2nd buy. Id rather have rylais for its hp/ap/passives. The slow is usually much more valuable.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

But that's not what people are doing...

Jarring1 votes

Beforehand Mages/AP assassins had Abyssal Scepter, which gave AP, MR, and flat Magic Pen in an AURA.

They removed this and changed it to Abyssal Mask, simultaneously giving the Pen to Morello's giving it HP and removed its mana regen and CDR

The morello's is better now because it forces mages into sacrificing damage for survival if they want to. Before, they didn't have to sacrifice anything, they just got free survival in their full damage kit when they bought abyssal scepter.

There's no logic to this argument you have. Come back with actual reasoning, and I'll listen.

The HP on Morello's isn't survival. At least not compared to having actual resistances. It should give HP at the very least for that trade off they made when they removed Abyssal Scepter.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

I didn't say we should go back to Abyssal, now did I? You're arguing against a strawman.

Lovelle1 votes

Both magic and armor penetration need major nerfs.

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