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It feels like I have to LOSE bot lane to win the game...

ValyrianBlade··1 votes·1,033 views

I don't know what it is, it just feels like the same thing happens every time I play bot lane.

If I'm winning lane (but not dominating): forcing the enemy to back repeatedly, winning CS, pushing turret constantly, etc... I always draw jungle pressure. Despite warding as far up as the dragon pit, it's not enough. The enemy jungler camps me and gets fed off of bot lane. To be fair, lately it's been Quinn and Master Yi (both of which simply move too fast to escape from), but still.

Meanwhile, it seems that every game I lose bot lane, I win the game. It doesn't matter if the lane is just pushed to my tower and I die, or if I actually feed like 4 or 5 kills to the enemy in lane. In the odd game that I lose lane bot, I win the game. Eventually my jungler and/or mid laner come bot to help out and get some free kills and win the game.

It just seems to indicate to me that something is out of balance in this game. If as an ADC my support and I can both use our yellow trinkets and both have a pink ward up, and STILL can't survive ganks that we see coming from a mile away and end up feeding the enemy jungler then something is wrong. If my win rate is higher when I lose lane than when I win lane, something seems wrong...

Am I doing something wrong? Is it a bad idea to push the enemy to turret now? In season 4 and 5 when I played ADC I'd similarly ward deep and pressure the enemy turret all laning phase. They'd miss CS under turret and even if I didn't get kills (as an ADC I only get kills when my support does well too, I can't seem to get them on my own) I'd have a sufficiently large lead from their missed CS that I'd carry late game. I'd also draw less jungle pressure and when the jungler came I'd have plenty of time to back off to my turret.

So what do you do as an ADC when you're playing against someone, start winning, they start playing really passive so not to give you kills? What I've been doing (pushing them to tower) seems to be failing miserably now.

9 Comments

ProjektSHIN2 votes

hmmm... overexaggerating your story makes people lose interest, and prevents anyone from leaving thought out/meaningful responses.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Except I'm not exaggerating...

The sample is small (hence the always), but I was fairly clear that I'm only "winning" lane by pushing them to turret and getting a CS lead (not racking up kills).

I'm just saying, since I've managed to return to ADC after the pre-season fad, in my last 6 games I've gone 1-3 when I've kept the enemy pushed to tower and felt like I was winning lane (the win coming in a stomp), and 2-0 when I've lost lane pretty badly and eventually my mid/jungler came and cleaned up the enemy that was pushing me to tower and snowballed it to a win.

Sure, it could just be bad/good luck in the respective games, but I'd like to know if there's a new playstyle for when you're ahead as an ADC but the enemy is playing too passively to give up kills. In my limited experience thus far this season, pushing to tower isn't working (for me or my enemies). I don't have the problem in solo lanes because I typically don't push lane there and instead prefer to freeze it near my turret and wait for jungle pressure. I've always pushed bot lane though and it doesn't seem to be working anymore.

Hayaishi21 votes

i feel you, if i win bot lane my team always loses everywhere else.

CinnaBon Kittenz1 votes

I'm thinking it might just be how you play or who your playing with. My boyfriend practice all the time now and when we win lane we win game. I think you just rack the powah to take the competitive edge needed to finish. Which is why you win sometimes when you lose game. LoL Season 6 Punishes the players who lack to finish games.[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I'm hoping it's just who I'm playing with. A lot of these games I've felt like my support should have been able to bail me out of the gank or should have been able to help secure a kill before the gank happened but missed their engage. I've also noticed my allied junglers not counter-ganking. They'll be at the nearest jungle camp and we'll see the enemy jungler coming and he will finish the camp instead (even though the enemy ADC is around 20% and I'm at 90%).

It could also just be that I don't have the killer instinct on Caitlyn (who I've been playing recently) that I had on Jinx last season. That I'm not securing kills I should be securing. Although I'll note that I know how to finish a game, my problem is snowballing in lane before the enemy jungler starts to camp me (i.e. if I don't kill the enemy ADC before the enemy jungler hits 6, even if I'm up 20cs, he's camping bot until I've been killed 3 times and has put his team significantly ahead).

Melee Form1 votes

I'm pretty sure you are doing things wrong. If you want to add me I can explain things.

ProjektSHIN1 votes

Well then... if it wasn't exaggerated...at all.. even in the slightest..cough cough ahem.... then it really just comes down to the certain champions that both your team and the opposing team were using. However, you stated this happens all the time now... which would exclude the champion reason... leaving only your skill level/reaction time in question.

Because I main ADC... so I'm usually Bot... and my support and I typically win bot lane...... Hard... meaning I don't just have the enemy jungler on my ass... I've caught the attention of both the enemy mid lane and top... and they will constantly do 2-4 man ganks bot lane whenever the opportunity arises. BUT.. when I'm owning bot... I am very aware that I am a primary target and the opposing team is going to want to do everything/anything they can to shut me down... so I'm constantly on high alert..... push minion wave to enemy turret... although I have surrounding wards and vision... I STILL don't think i'm safe... I play back about half way.... until I can confirm that no one is coming for me... rinse, wash, repeat... and I would say 88% of my matches.. I always have the fewest deaths on my team (1-4 typically...)... despite Winning lane, and having to endure 2-4 man gank pressure throughout...

So yea.. I dont know man... maybe it is just extremely repetitious bad luck for you... cause I don't experience what you are explaining at all... but maybe I just play a lot safer then you... maybe to the point of being overly cautious... so yea...

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Well, thanks, w/e.

As I said, sample is small, 6 games. Pretty easy to say something always happens in 6 games. Just wanted to get advice before continuing with bot lane as I figured the experience in even only 6 games probably indicated I was doing something wrong.

My best guess is I've always disrespected the enemy jungler's pressure in bot lane. I have a healthy respect for it in other lanes. I'd explain it by saying in S4 and S5 junglers focused top/mid more than bot and in the games where I got camped bot and lost I always wrote it off to teammates being bad in other lanes so the jungler could focus me bot (when it was really my fault but it happened rarely enough since most junglers never even thought of using their first gank bot lane). In S6 the ADC rework has junglers paying more attention to bot and the mistake in my playstyle is now costing me games enough that I'm realizing it's something wrong in my playstyle.

So I'll be more careful, change up my strategy, and see what happens.

Ale non è male1 votes

Push the enemy to turret is a good idea at times, and a bad idea at times.

If you sense that jungle could get advantage from your bot lane push, at a certain point you'd better start roaming around or freeze lane

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