Elise and Rek'sai are dominating the Jungle in the first weekend of Worlds

metaworldpeace10·Oct 3, 2015·17 votes·1,418 views

Thank heavens we are nerfing Evelyn though, she's too strong and broken OP.

24 Comments

AbyssphereOct 3, 20153 votes

They've said they're nerfing Evelynn for non-competitive play - they think she's doing too well in solo queue.

But given World's is on 5.18 and we're already on the 5.20 PBE cycle, I don't think what's happening there is all too relevant.

Rand0mH3r0XOct 4, 20152 votes

Yeah, the nerf is more to appease the reddit community who were just trying to reason that Evelyn was dominating Lee Sin without having Devourer by being forced to pick Runeglaive. (Devourer was disabled). Evelyn was always able to dominate Lee Sin, and nobody just ever liked it.

JoshehehOct 4, 20151 votes

ironic that the person with stealth beats the blind man

Karn BishopOct 4, 20152 votes

Because a champion totally can't do well when in the hands of skilled players right? I mean its not like champions are allowed to stay at stupid levels of power stronger then eve's current strength just because they are popular right? riiight? certainly not these guys Vayne Riven LeeSin Zed
Look at these poor souls! they have to play safe and not tower dive two towers deep at 5 minutes all because someone picked eve 5% of the time, ooh the horror the devastation! how evil of us.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 4, 20152 votes

Actually, we're not really seeing all that much Rek'sai. It's pretty much just Elise, since Riot had the beautiful idea of buffing her cocoon stun duration right as a great item for her is released. It's Elise first picked every game, then Gragas, Lee, and Rek'sai just kinda being there as secondary picks.

Eve is being nerfed because she has infinite stealth, and already broken mechanic, as well as Runeglaive and new Rylai's, two items made for champions like Eve. She isn't used in the pros because people buy more pink wards in pros and know how to ward out Eve's jungle camps.

Bears Dont CareOct 4, 20154 votes

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Eve is being nerfed because she has infinite stealth, and already broken mechanic,

It isn't true stealth. You literally do not see Evelynn until you look at her. As in...you can see her before she attacks. She cannot attack you before you see her outside of her ult..which..gee whiz...just kill her since she is fragile and weak.

as well as Runeglaive and new Rylai's, two items made for champions like Eve.

Rylai's was always available for Evelynn, and despite what people such as yourself think, it isn't the most popular item to build on her.

She isn't used in the pros because people buy more pink wards in pros and know how to ward out Eve's jungle camps.

So...the mechanic ISN'T broken, and she ISN'T a problem, its simply because solo queue players refuse to change their playstyle? Tickle my surprised why everything is nerfed the moment it introduced a different way of playing.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 4, 20153 votes

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It isn't true stealth. You literally do not see Evelynn until you look at her. As in...you can see her before she attacks. She cannot attack you before you see her outside of her ult..which..gee whiz...just kill her since she is fragile and weak.

Counterplay to Vayne? Just kill her. Counterplay to Ahri? Just kill her. They're both pretty damn fragile. Eve's whole freaking purpose late is to get around the enemy and ult them from the side. If she's actually letting you see her, she's a bad Eve.

Rylai's was always available for Evelynn, and despite what people such as yourself think, it isn't the most popular item to build on her.

But it just got that huge update that made comboing it with Eve's Q an incredibly good way to stick to people in ganks.

So...the mechanic ISN'T broken, and she ISN'T a problem, its simply because solo queue players refuse to change their playstyle? Tickle my surprised why everything is nerfed the moment it introduced a different way of playing.

No, I meant that in the pros, pink warding in general is more prevalent due to better warding overall. In Solo Queue, nobody really wards, so spending the extra 100 gold for something that is normally destroyed very quickly can put somebody behind very quickly.

Bears Dont CareOct 4, 20152 votes

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Counterplay to Vayne? Just kill her. Counterplay to Ahri? Just kill her. They're both pretty damn fragile. Eve's whole freaking purpose late is to get around the enemy and ult them from the side. If she's actually letting you see her, she's a bad Eve.

Counterplay to evelynn? just kill her, she is one of the most fragile champs, and doesn't have the best.mobility. her stealth allows her to bypass wards. An evelynn that is seen is an evelynn attempting to attack because she has no ability to can be used outside of her stealth range oerios. It is quite clear you do not understand the champs mechanics to suggest her stealth is a problem. btw ward her jungle. It's not hard.

But it just got that huge update that made comboing it with Eve's Q an incredibly good way to stick to people in ganks.

what huge update? The increased slow. yaaay.. her slow makes people slower... which didn't benefit her anyway because she could always get to a target with her W and ult before the slow buff. but guess what she lost. her q damage. In fact it got nerfed to he even weaker than it was before the hate spike buff. funny how people forget about it.

No, I meant that in the pros, pink warding in general is more prevalent due to better warding overall. In Solo Queue, nobody really wards, so spending the extra 100 gold for something that is normally destroyed very quickly can put somebody behind very quickly.

You don't balance the game around the lowest common denominator. you don't balance it around people who refuse to change their strategy, builds, or the way they play. otherwise, the game suffers from a constant seasaw of balance changes.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 4, 20151 votes

What I don't think you understand is that her Q, with Rylai's, allows her to literally stick onto somebody, giving them very little room to do anything unless they Flash or have something in their kit to get away. Her Q may not do a ton of damage, but when it's used 20 times onto one person when you have mainly AP, it does more than enough.

Additionally, you seem to not understand that Eve can ult from barely inside the range of detection, giving her a massive burst of damage and slows and generally an enormous boost to her team if she does it instantly after detection. It also puts massive pressure on enemies, since she can technically be anywhere, forcing you to stay far back in the same way that Rengar does.

Bears Dont CareOct 4, 20151 votes

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What I don't think you understand is that her Q, with Rylai's, allows her to literally stick onto somebody, giving them very little room to do anything unless they Flash or have something in their kit to get away. Her Q may not do a ton of damage, but when it's used 20 times onto one person when you have mainly AP, it does more than enough.

What I do not think YOU understand is that Rylai's effect has ALWAYS allowed her to stick to a target before the nerfs to her Q and W. You behave as if the item itself is new and exciting for the character, it isn't, and never has been due to the flexibility of her build path. What has made Rylai appealing is the increase in AP, but Eve has always had the item as an option.

Additionally, you seem to not understand that Eve can ult from barely inside the range of detection, giving her a massive burst of damage and slows and generally an enormous boost to her team if she does it instantly after detection. It also puts massive pressure on enemies, since she can technically be anywhere, forcing you to stay far back in the same way that Rengar does.

Pardon? Massive burst damage? Hrmm..

Magic Damage: 15 / 20 / 25% (+ 1% per 100 AP) of target's current health 

Slow: 40 / 60 / 80%
Shield Strength Per Champion: 150 / 225 / 300

Massive indeed. Unless the target has what? 3k health, you deal more damage spamming Q's. Her ult is a tank initiating tool, not a massive burst of damage nor does it enormously boost her team or pressure anyone unless you land it on all 5. She forcesyou to stay back due to stealth. nothingelse

Hayaishi2Oct 4, 20152 votes

Evelyn is and has always been toxic, why are people surprised by the nerfs? You only deserve to be viable if you're healthy. Blame Riot for not doing anything meaningful with Eve's rework.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 4, 20151 votes

You only deserve to be viable if you're healthy?

Well Riven that Vayne is LeeSin impeccable Zed logic Mordekaiser right Darius there Garen

Hayaishi2Oct 5, 20151 votes

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You only deserve to be viable if you're healthy?

Well that is impeccable logic right there

It's obvious Riot plays favorites, when you play favorites no logic applies.

DrNovaOct 4, 20151 votes

I guess that means Elise is getting nerfed again.

Rand0mH3r0XOct 4, 20151 votes

Along with a reworked Lee Sin Ultimate.

Lee Sin now does a roundhouse kick that deals 300/400/650 + (0.6AD) damage + 8% of the targets max health, knocking the enemy back into other enemy champions, dealing the same damage. Enemy champions that are knocked up and dealt their total AP+AD as bonus damage. This bonus damage can critically strike.

TourianOct 4, 20151 votes

I'm already on hiatus because of this shitty status of this game right now, if they do that I'm legitimately done until they fix their team.

EarthpineOct 4, 20151 votes

All they need to do is nerf the cocoon stun duration, after that she's fine. There was no reason to buff the cocoon that much since the spider e buff was pretty good.

TourianOct 5, 20151 votes

She was perfectly balanced after the Q nerf, and kind of meh after. The Q nerf was unnecessary all they needed to do was nerf the spiderlings. The stun duration is literally the only thing keeping her afloat right now.

EarthpineOct 5, 20151 votes

In that case they need to buff her damage and nerf her cocoon, it's way too long of a stun for how easy it is to hit it.

Rinky DinkyOct 4, 20151 votes

they arent tho?

TotalisOct 4, 20151 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Elise http://champion.gg/champion/RekSai/Jungle both elise and reksai are pretty balanced and are performing completely average in soloq. People have to understand that competitive play is a different beast altogether, which is why they are top picks.

ThumpinOct 4, 20151 votes

Quote me on this, Eve is fucking faceroll.

Sire HippingtonOct 4, 20151 votes

well, professional jungle hasn't changed since S3, it's all about early pressure, Ekise and Lee right back to where they were, with reksai as newcommer instead of Vi/J4... only exeption are the few grags picks, and even he applys a rather high amount of early pressure...