So Riot, Morde still sits at 41% win rate in solo lanes :P

Burnt Iron King·Nov 29, 2015·39 votes·1,982 views

Is it still too high? Do we need to wait for him to drop to 30% until you finally decide to help the guy out?

34 Comments

BijornNov 29, 20154 votes

Nah. At least below 35% for them to do anything about it. Remember, he had his spotlight for a few weeks. Now he has to sit in the trash for another two years before they do anything.

During that time CertaintyT will continue to ignore player feedback and we will get promises from the other Rioters that take about 2-3 months to implement that still does not fix Mord as a champ.

Raid Boss MordeNov 30, 20152 votes

Mordekaiser doesn't just sit in the trash can, he** is **the trash can.

Hello I am BirdNov 30, 20151 votes

Sejuani item 3070

Lazypeon100Nov 29, 20153 votes

They have actually made a few fairly recent comments about their thoughts on him. He also recently received or has (not sure atm, haven't been playing as much) changes on the pbe trying to figure out how to help him out.

You may not like what they are saying or trying to change. But they are trying to help him out and figure out what they should do with him.

Edit: Figure I'll post what Riot Statikk had to say.

"Hey all,

We're going to be trying out methods of making our internal design reviews player-facing. These reviews are mostly done on major champion releases, updates, and systems tuning that we roll out. We may dig into our archives for recently released champions as well.

These reviews will probably not be very 'polished' in their presentation, rather, they're meant to be a way of showing how we examine our work. By looking back at our original goals and then examining what's currently working (or not working) in the present day, we can be more transparent about followup changes while also being able to discuss what 'good' looks like. This is very much an experimental process, but hopefully it proves valuable in the long run. Our first trial is going to be...Mordekaiser.

Goals Solidify Mordekaiser in the Juggernaut space (low mobility, high close-range threat) Offer a different non-Marksman duo lane experience Add new strategic meaning to Dragon What's Working Strengths / Weaknesses profile aligns with Juggernaut space Provides a different bot lane experience and has unique ally synergies Dragon creates unique and memorable moments

Concerns Extremely early / mid game dominant - lacks true, exponential late game scaling Both Morde and Dragon follow this power curve Too difficult to interact with in lane, due to sustain on top of sustain High AP ratios (especially on R) still leading to Morde being potentially too bursty Q damage ramping is extreme and readability is poor - leads to weird "what happened?" moments on Q3 hits Tankiness is extremely inconsistent (unlike other Juggernauts) due to Passive's scaling with direct damage output - increases snowball dependence Dragon / pet controls are still clunky Experience bonus passive may not be the optimal solution - it is effective and functional, but low in satisfaction and hard to understand

Next Steps Lower sustain early, better damage scaling late Dragon needs more late game relevance and potentially less early game power Flatten Q damage out (more on 1, less on 3) while still preserving the 3rd hit as a big, high moment Increase the importance of effectively utilizing Passive / E to survive in lane and fights

Hopefully this gives you guys a bit more insight into our current thinking on Morde and helps explain the direction we're moving him in with the recent patch. Feel free to chime in with any thoughts, questions, or concerns."

I know the formatting isn't pretty, I'm on my phone so I apologize.

Malicious MetalNov 29, 201513 votes

The changes to Q and E were great

His W needs to be scrapped completely since it's not allowed to be powerful in its current state

Base stats need to be looked at

2/4 things being changed for the better 50% there :9

Also, Runic armor's still bugged. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Lazypeon100Nov 29, 20152 votes

I definitely agree, he does need help still! Just slightly annoyed by the op cause morde isn't being ignored right now. He was for awhile which was fucked, but at least they are giving him some attention.

Malicious MetalNov 29, 20153 votes

I get where this frustration is coming from though. He's been reworked for 'bout 7 patches and only now is he getting some changes benefitting his solo lane and helping solidify him as a Juggernaut.

Still, baby steps are better than overbuffing the guy and then dumpstering him. He's not being neglected, Riot's just a bit slow, that's all^^

Lazypeon100Nov 29, 20157 votes

Let us take a moment of silence for poor cass.

qetzelNov 29, 20151 votes

If I may make a point, there are two reasons it has taken seven patches. The first is World's. I understand Riot's reluctance to change things during that time. The second is that his bot lane was stupid. Really, really stupid. 1 problem at a time - you can't buff his solo lane without first weakening his duo lane.

SettDownShutUpNov 29, 20151 votes

Wat. Runic Armor is still bugged? They said they'd fix that!

flying banelingsNov 30, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2kWPEu3N,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-11-29T20:44:56.554+0000)

The changes to Q and E were great

His W needs to be scrapped completely since it's not allowed to be powerful in its current state

Base stats need to be looked at

2/4 things being changed for the better 50% there :9

Also, Runic armor's still bugged. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

But the no aoe q got me so salty right now.

BijornNov 30, 20151 votes

See. They said that. But reading it makes me realize they know nothing about what is actually happening. Mord early - mid game is horrible now. Before I was able to actually survive. Now I get shit on royally. Too difficult to interact with due to sustain? His W only has a net heal if you activate the second cast on an enemy champ, or three minions. It has a health cost now, and the healing is so terrible that it is useless early unless you can get on top of both enemy champs, which is extremely hard with his terrible base stats. Even if you win that trade and get the heal off, as you are backing off you get wrecked by the enemy adc due to all of your spells on cd and they can just simply AA you to nullify the advantage you just got.

His 3rd Q was nerfed hard, which was sorely needed. Now it barely does any damage until you get two items. I believe that is how it should be but again, this shows how Riot has no idea about Mord anymore if they think his early/mid game is too strong.

Lazypeon100Nov 30, 20151 votes

I'm not entirely sure why they think the early game is too strong right now. Statikk could have been speaking about how he has been before the preseason and might be mistaken? I know that sounds really dumb, but it wouldn't be the first time Riot has done something along those lines.

As far as not knowing what to do with morde, I think that is true. They did turn him jnto a bot lane carry after all >_>.

Edit: I think later today when I have a chance I will try out a few morde games. I haven't been playing nearly as much lately.

BijornNov 30, 20151 votes

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I'm not entirely sure why they think the early game is too strong right now. Statikk could have been speaking about how he has been before the preseason and might be mistaken? I know that sounds really dumb, but it wouldn't be the first time Riot has done something along those lines.

As far as not knowing what to do with morde, I think that is true. They did turn him jnto a bot lane carry after all >_>.

Edit: I think later today when I have a chance I will try out a few morde games. I haven't been playing nearly as much lately.

Neither have I. This preseason really fucked my main champs, ADC's just ruin them. Now things have calmed down a bit so I have been playing again. Mord top is alright but god damn you get shit on early on by most bruisers. You can bully tanks at level 3 but bruisers and fighters....forget it.

Only Play DariusNov 29, 20153 votes

Champion.gg doesn't even have stats for Mord bot anymore. Did he get kicked out of botlane or something? If so that's sad, now he's like Fiddlesticks and has absolutely no lane he can function in anymore

BluePolarizerNov 30, 20151 votes

he sucks bot now because ADCs now have too many tools to deal with him.

take a look at this shit. I force feed kills down every lane's throat but because we picked Morde, and they picked Jinx, we lost the game. Simple as that. You pick Morde and fail to go 10-0, its already gg.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2024132612/213933916?tab=overview

Big LincolnNov 29, 20152 votes

riot doesn't want him to be strong in a solo lane

Cloud PotatoNov 30, 20151 votes

This. Morde solo is never going to be a healthy thing, especially when his rework fixed nothing about his counterplay issues.

Slamurai JackNov 30, 20152 votes

You're not gonna get it. Riot's made it very clear they want Morde to be a bot laner. If they need to keep his solo laning unviable to do that, then they're gonna do it. Sucks for all the solo lane Morde players, but that's the direction they're going.

Cloud273Nov 29, 20151 votes

Any buffs to solo lane morde is also a buff to duo lane morde. And Riot doesn't want him in a duo lane, so they're not going to buff him.

MordepoolNov 29, 20151 votes

The Best buff they could do for him is buff his MS to 330-335

That would help out solo Morde more than duo.
Rework W alot is a good avenue of change

MunchCrunchLunchNov 29, 20151 votes

he needs a rework. he should be reworked into a top laner. i cant see him working anywhere else. if he didn't have his Q he would be sitting at 30%. and they are nerfing his Q.

JedenVojakNov 29, 20151 votes

I'm kind of worried though when they say things like "too bursty". That's literally impossible for a melee champ.

Only Play DariusNov 29, 20153 votes

Talon Akali Fizz XinZhao Rengar Shaco Khazix

JedenVojakNov 30, 20152 votes

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What's this supposed to mean? That these champs are too bursty? Because they're not.

If they jump on a squishy mark man or mage and burst them 100 to 0, that's how it should be. If the person lives and escapes, than they're not bursty enough.

Edit: Is Xin Xhao bursty at all? I haven't seen him much but he seems more chasey than bursty.

Prospector PeteNov 30, 20151 votes

Every single one of those champions are bursty(except maybe Xin Zhao).

Hello I am BirdNov 30, 20151 votes

Xin fucks you up with Devourer.

TurquoiseYoshiNov 30, 20151 votes

I don't think they mean too bursty for melee, I think they mean too bursty for juggernaut.

BluePolarizerNov 29, 20151 votes

Morde can't even bot anymore. He is literally uncarryable now because bot lane got too many tools to deal with him. Any random ADC with phantom dancer can now kite him indefinitely.

WyrmbladeNov 30, 20151 votes

I've been spamming top morde and it's pretty fun. I think they just need to drop the whole duo lane gimmick entirely.

Nidalee SO NYAAANov 30, 20151 votes

Nid has a 43% winrate overall and I see nobody screaming rito do something. I love the double standard on the boards

Lazypeon100Nov 30, 20151 votes

I don't think there's a double standard. Nidalee sits at 4.78% pick rate across all elos in solo queue with her 43% win rate. She does need some help, just because she hasn't been a popular subject doesn't mean that she doesn't need help (loathe as I am to say it. Only champ I truly hate >.>). So she has one of the lowest win rates right now, but also has a buff on the PBE, so riot hasn't completely forgotten about her.

Honestly, wouldn't it be more effective to make a thread about her than claiming there's a double standard in a thread about Mord O.o?

Nidalee SO NYAAANov 30, 20151 votes

Because ether the thread get down voted or people just tell me that she needed to be gutted.