3/7 SYNDRA ONESHOTS 8/2 DRAVEN??? BALANCE?

Woook3r·Oct 10, 2016·2 votes·1,316 views

Is this right? Syndra can combo someone with 8x the KDR? And from greater range than draven ever hopes to have?

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Pierce The VealOct 10, 201612 votes

If you had taken any math, you'd realize that having even 1,000,000 offensive items would really have the same defensive capability as someone with 0 defensive items and abilities. Because that's what you are, a squishy with no defense.

Woook3rOct 10, 20163 votes

so was syndra. squishy with no defense. how does your argument not apply to her as well?

AstôlfoOct 10, 20166 votes

Because you're probably not going to one-shot her even as Draven, and yes, I know how much insane damage Draven can output. At the very least, it'll still be two hits. If you have no MR or CC-removal and don't know how to move out of the way, Syndra can stun you which means you are now fucked and will proceed to eat the rest of her combo and die.

Pierce The VealOct 10, 20162 votes

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Because you're probably not going to one-shot her even as Draven, and yes, I know how much insane damage Draven can output. At the very least, it'll still be two hits. If you have no MR or CC-removal and don't know how to move out of the way, Syndra can stun you which means you are now fucked and will proceed to eat the rest of her combo and die.

Pretty much this. Plus, odds are she might have had an ROA/Rylais/Zhonya's or some other defensive item. Odds are she has armor pen/level or health//level seals. All of these contribute to making her even more hard to hurst for you. This is not to say draven cannot beat her, no. A negatron cloak>GA, a MAW, or mercurial scimitar would go a long way to fighting back. Steraks would work too. Add a bloodthirster on that and it's gonna be a pain to kill you. I know it's not fun sacrificing damage for resistances/hp, but sometimes there just isn't an option.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

In one of OP's other posts, he stated the Syndra had a Morello's + Blasting Wand (100 + 40 AP).

Pierce The VealOct 11, 20161 votes

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In one of OP's other posts, he stated the Syndra had a Morello's + Blasting Wand (100 + 40 AP).

Which still doesn't matter because she is a burst champion. And that's still a significant amount of AP.

RalanrOct 10, 20168 votes

No matter how ahead Draven is, if he has no defensive items (or very little) he's still squishy.

Kills don't make you invincible.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 10, 20162 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

apparently being syndra does make you invincible to draven. nice passive rito. that makes more sense than what i was thinking was fair and balanced.

edit: also blood thirster is defensive.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20169 votes

Full glass cannon ADC tries to 1v1 burst mage with no MR dies complains

??????????

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 10, 20163 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

AstôlfoOct 10, 20168 votes

It's like you think KDA magically makes you more durable. Except it doesn't, because you're still full glass cannon.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 10, 20162 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

no. its like i think being behind should make you less effective at completely one shotting someone from outside their attack range. What if the adc's were two or three shotting huge ass tanks from 700 range? When 5 kills behind? How healthy would that be//?

AstôlfoOct 10, 20166 votes

Your analogies are complete shit.

A better one would be an ADC that's behind in KDA, but still CS'd and picked up kills here and there. So now they have a few items. And they 2-3 shot someone with absolutely no MR or health built, from their attack range, which outranges a melee's attack range obviously. That's perfectly normal and healthy.

Them being behind does not magically prevent them from CSing or getting kills elsewhere or still gaining gold/experience, and resultingly, items. If you have no MR and you're one of the squishiest types of champions in the entire game, you will die to a burst mage if you get hit by their entire/most of their combo. That's perfectly normal and healthy. Stop complaining.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

Except no adc would be able to come even close to doing that to an 8/2 maokai. Who, in fact, would probably be unkillable in a 3v1 situation..

AstôlfoOct 10, 20167 votes

Because the Maokai would be building health and armor you blithering fool. You had no resistances or health at all for fuck's sakes.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

yes. he would build pure tank. yet look at the dmg he does. people complain all the time about how much dmg pure tank builds have. look at ekko for christs sake.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20165 votes

Yes, congratulations stating something that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

An ADC that is behind would not kill an 8/2 Maokai most likely, because the ADC will have very few items, and investing in a Last Whisper evolution (Lord Dominik's Regards/Mortal Reminder) is not worth the cost/time until lategame where they have the rest of their items. In addition, the Maokai would go tank/near full-tank with massive amounts of health and/or resistances, which would include armor, which would severely reduce said ADC's damage.

A Syndra that is behind has a lot less burst than another theoretical burst mage that was not behind and was on-par with everyone else. It is still burst to anyone without any meaningful MR. Also, someone being behind does not magically prevent them from CSing/getting kills elsewhere. They will still gain gold eventually, meaning they will still get their items eventually, no matter how long it takes. Once they get a few items (in this case, Morello's + Blasting for 140 AP + Grievous), their burst will hurt quite a fair bit, and even more so to someone with absolutely no meaningful MR.

Syndra's burst combo relies entirely on landing her stun. You had no meaningful MR nor did you have QSS. That is entirely your fault and your fault alone. Stop crying.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 10, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

its not irrelevant. you act like I have to build defense if I want to survive. well shouldnt maokai build dmg if he wants to deal dmg? Well he doesnt have to. The fact is, I cant look at the items or the score to know who will win. I have to think to myself, "hey. I am draven and this is syndra. I cant win this. unless I go to the fountain and buy this specific item" Thats the part where I was foolish. Because I never tried fighting syndra with draven before. and i didnt know that fact.

Sure. Ill know better next time. But my point still stands that the interaction between draven and syndra isnt about gameplay. Its about syndra being rock and draven being scissors until draven decides to click a few menu buttons which says he buys maw and that turns him into paper vs syndra.

its not a gameplay event that is the deciding factor. its about being a nerd who has grinded enough games to know that he stands 0 chance against a syndra no matter how bad she has been playing without the proper item. the fact that you dont understand why thats poor game design is the part where you are braiinwashed by this game.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20163 votes

It is entirely irrelevant. Stop crying.

Of course you have to fucking build defense if you want to survive, let alone survive a BURST MAGE and their full combo.

Maokai doesn't have any meaningful damage if you'd bother building any sort of resistances, unless he goes AP, at which point he's so squishy killing him shouldn't be difficult anyways. Also, the majority of his damage is between his W and his ultimate. Even with his W, unless he builds AP, it's still just magic damage for like, what, 15% max health? That by itself is nowhere enough to kill anyone unless they were essentially dead anyways. Maokai's ultimate is also utter shit in terms of damage unless you literally feed it with massive damage for him to spit back at you.

Duh? Score by itself means nothing. All it means is gold/experience. It has no influence on how said gold is spent. You could have EASILY crushed and obliterated the Syndra. All it would've took is for you to get a Hexdrinker/Maw and/or a QSS.

Incorrect. Syndra can simply buy Void Staff as well for the MPen which will most likely cut through the MR that Maw provides, and if she continues to get items/AP, she will gain enough burst to cut through said Maw shield as well. It is much more complex than RPS.

You are incorrect, once again. You understand nothing, you really should not be talking down to others about said game knowledge. Please educate yourself before you bother replying with some meaningless drivel again.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

you dont listen very well. im trying to say that there is a mechanic which is LIKE RPS and its not fun, but without engaging in that mechanic you cant perform well.

Thats a problem because no one finds that mechanic entertaining. no one gets excited when draven builds maw. no one has fun actually building maw themselves. they get excited when someone makes a play or when someone makes a play themselves or when some teamwork happens.

Thats one of the primary reasons they nerfed qss the way they did. Because its TOO RPS vs some champs. Your point is that syndra is balanced because of MAW. If I built maw the 3/7 syndra would have had the dmg of a 3/7 champion vs me. You are right. Should have built maw. Having to go back to the fountain one extra time before I could end the game was a major inconvenience. It wound up dragging the game out for another 90 seconds while the enemy team dealt with three lanes of supers. How resident sleeper!

My point is FUCK MAW. FUCK QSS. That shit is resident sleeper! I dont want to build it. I want to have fun! I built a bloodthirster because it helped me stomp my lane by 6 kills. That was fun. Then I bought a phantom dancer so I could shred towers the way an adc is supposed to and end the game. Because stomp fests arent that fun. And my point is that syndra is OP if you dont build maw. But if I build maw then that means Ill have less fun. Im not about to be good at a game which involves trading FUN and ENJOYMENT for SUCCESS. Thats a dumb fucking game, btw.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

There's also this thing called just avoiding her ball placement and her stun push thing, aka, dodging. Without either of those, her ultimate alone will not kill you unless you're like sub-half health anyways. Your complaints are irrelevant. If you really understand so little and would rather just complain, I don't think League is the game for you.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

on what basis are my complaints irrelevant?

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

The entire basis of your complaints is based off an incorrect understanding of League itself.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

There will always be counterbuilding options. A counterbuild item does not automatically nullify them. It just helps even the odds into your favors a bit.

Yes, it's a game, games are supposed to be fun. League is also meant to be semi-comp/competitive. And the main focus is that it's a tower defense game where you aim to take one side's Nexus before the other.

AbyssphereOct 11, 20162 votes

If you are deciding not to build optimal items because you don't find them "fun" then you don't get to complain about balance. Riot does not balance so that people who choose not to play correctly can win. If you bought Maw you probably could have beaten Syndra. You chose not to buy the item that would have let you beat her simply because you didn't think it'd be fun and you think this is a problem Riot should address?

Ruin LanceOct 10, 20166 votes

well if draven has no mr duh. this is a big reason why a lot of champions, when behind, can catch back up. because the cocky enemy decides not to build any sort of resistance/tankiness at all.

Woook3rOct 10, 20162 votes

What you are saying is that its ok that its impossible for syndra to fall behind. Because apparently she doesnt. She had 0 resistance items against me as well. Why should I have to buy a defensive item against someone who has half my # of items?

At what point would you say syndra had too much power? When she is one shotting me with zero items? Is that your realistic point of being overpowered? At some point, a player who is behind should not be able to completely destroy a player who is far far ahead with a single combo. Do you not agree with that?

It should not be a mistake for me to even try to fight her. The point of the game is to fight other people.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20162 votes

Uh no, it means you shouldn't expect to survive a burst mage's burst if you get hit by her entire fucking combo if she still gets CS and kills here and there, which means gold, which means items, while you have no meaningful MR.

Ruin LanceOct 10, 20161 votes

i'm not saying it's okay that it's impossible for her to fall behind. by the way it is possible for her to fall behind, just so you know.

i agree that syndra is op i'm just telling you why she is able to do that. you should have also inferred that if you build MR, she cannot do that to you.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

It should not be a mistake for me to even try to fight her. The point of the game is to fight other people. The interaction should not boil down to "i am syndra. i beat you." Long range ap burst mage is always going to be overpowered in this game because no MR per level. Thats the problem.

People on here want to act like im stupid, but if 0/4 syndra flashed out of a bush and combo'd them into the fountain I can fucking guarantee you they wouldnt be telling her "wow nice play syndra. you are really good!" in all chat. They would be salty about it. Because that champion is a fucking cheap shot just like annie used to be.

Ill give her the fact that she landed her stun. good job. However, I should have been able to survive her burst and sustain back up off of my bloodthirster. Because she was very very far behind.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20162 votes

See it's called getting fucking MR items. Or does the concept of counterbuilding not exist to you? Do you just magically expect to be able to beat anyone and everyone without having to counterbuild or counterplay anyone just because you want to? Sorry bud, that's not how the game works.

Being behind doesn't matter for shit if she still gets her items. Her items alone gave her 140 AP as well as Grievous Wounds. Your Bloodthirster shield would have been popped by her Q alone, and you would have most likely died before the stun ended, and even if you didn't, the burst damage she dealt would have been enough to trigger Morello's requirement to apply Grievous Wounds, meaning your sustain would have been neutered.

Salt more.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

heres a fact for you bud. Syndra is getting nerfed soon. GFY.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

Okay, so what? Even if she is theoretically getting nerfed, it's not for garbage players like yourself. It'd be because she's a problem/overplayed/pick-ban at a pro-play level. You're still garbage at learning how to play against other champions. Cry more.

SlythionOct 10, 20165 votes

what does draven's score have to do with anything?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 10, 20162 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

its really more about the syndra score.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20162 votes

Which means jackshit.

eufleuriaOct 10, 20163 votes

Kills =/= Gain Armor/MR

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

actually kills grant exp which grants armor in turn. so you are wrong about that. however, lvls do not grant mr for most champions or at least it grants less mr. so you are right about that.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20163 votes

Causation is not correlation. Kills by themselves do not grant the armor/MR. The levels gained from said kills which grant EXP are what grant armor. Also most/all (forget which) champions do not get MR per level.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

actually causation DOES imply correlation. It doesnt work in reverse and I suppose thats what you meant. But really, you just want to say im wrong about something, even though the point I am trying to make is valid. because you dont want to see the underlying truth. lots of people are like that in life.

at the end of the day, every ap burst mage is OP in a league without maw. and maw isnt fun or exciting to build. so ap burst mages make the game less fun and healthy. thats the fucking truth. sorry you are so caught up in the fact that i tried to 1v1 a feeding syndra. GFY.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

Oops, my bad. Mixed up the words there.

And you are just going on about your conspiracy theory.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

you must be mixing up words again. I have no idea where you read about a conspiracy theory in my posts.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20161 votes

You going on about how anyone who disagrees with you just 'doesn't want to see the truth'/are 'brainwashed'/etc.

Woook3rOct 10, 20161 votes

Ill give you an example of what I mean. I gave a presentation in my class the other day where I borrowed a dictionary defiinition of "robot" which I can paraphrase as "a programmable agent capabale of autonomously completing a task." Then I claimed that a genetically engineered bacteria designed to produces useful biological products is a robot. Because it meets the definition.

Half of th class laughed at me. Becuase they are brainwashed by holywood into the notion that a robot has to be a little metal man with two legs and a voice like siri's. because they dont know how to listen to ideas with an open mind.

Theres no conspiracy. Its just average humans being average.

CatastropOct 10, 20162 votes

Any Draven not building item 3139 should just stop playing the champion all together, this item is so broken on him.

AstôlfoOct 10, 20166 votes

Nah man, of course an ADC should get to survive a burst mage's full/near-full combo that relies entirely on landing a stun, even if they don't buy QSS or MR.

kappa