I'm sick of seeing Azir

Clint Orris··4 votes·718 views

Why does this champion have burst and sustained damage, while having a great late game with a great laning phase. He's able to seige, zone, peel while having good mobility. What the fuck. What other champion can do all that.

I'm sick of seeing this champion picked every other game just because of his broken kit.

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Sakura Mirage1 votes

Lol his burst was taken out he is more of a sustain damage champion now.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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Lol his burst was taken out he is more of a sustain damage champion now.

No, he still does everything. I've seen level 3 Azir's instagib full hp opponents just by dropping a soldier next to them, getting one auto, Q-ing so they cant get away, and then two more autos.

TheRakkun1 votes

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No, he still does everything. I've seen level 3 Azir's instagib full hp opponents just by dropping a soldier next to them, getting one auto, Q-ing so they cant get away, and then two more autos.

Bullshit, I've been playing Azir for like half a year and that's complete garbage, especially since riot ruined him.

Bouncemaster Zac3 votes

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Bullshit, I've been playing Azir for like half a year and that's complete garbage, especially since riot ruined him.

Not only is it entirely true, they haven't come anywhere near "ruining" him. He's still obscenely strong, and good at practically everything.

TheRakkun1 votes

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Not only is it entirely true, they haven't come anywhere near "ruining" him. He's still obscenely strong, and good at practically everything.

He's 52% winrate on experienced players. That's lower than Kassadin, Twisted Fate, hell even SWAIN MID.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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He's 52% winrate on experienced players. That's lower than Kassadin, Twisted Fate, hell even SWAIN MID.

implying Swain is bad

Azir's only real weakness is that he's immensely difficult to play well. That doesn't change the fact that when he is played well, he's an 800 range, multi-target piercing, sustained plus burst adc-that-just-happens-to-be-ap, with good mobility, one of the most powerful disengage/zone control spells in the game, and the ability to spawn towers stronger than the normal ones.

TheRakkun1 votes

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Azir's only real weakness is that he's immensely difficult to play well. That doesn't change the fact that when he is played well, he's an 800 range, multi-target piercing, sustained plus burst adc-that-just-happens-to-be-ap, with good mobility, one of the most powerful disengage/zone control spells in the game, and the ability to spawn towers stronger than the normal ones.

His burst was basically removed, his sustained damage isn't that good, he's outclassed by every adc, yes he has good range, but to make use of that range he needs to cast spells, unlike an ADC, his mobility is BAD, he's got a really low base movespeed, he's got little kiting potential with soldiers and his dash is the only dash in the game that can be stopped by someone in the way, his disengage is pretty good, he's MEANT to be a zone control mage like Orianna and Viktor. And in no fucking way are his towers stronger, they do the same amount of damage but have degrading health and have armour that decreases if Azir is away from the turret.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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His burst was basically removed, his sustained damage isn't that good, he's outclassed by every adc, yes he has good range, but to make use of that range he needs to cast spells, unlike an ADC, his mobility is BAD, he's got a really low base movespeed, he's got little kiting potential with soldiers and his dash is the only dash in the game that can be stopped by someone in the way, his disengage is pretty good, he's MEANT to be a zone control mage like Orianna and Viktor. And in no fucking way are his towers stronger, they do the same amount of damage but have degrading health and have armour that decreases if Azir is away from the turret.

You don't play matches with Azirs in them if you think he has 0 burst and poor sustained damage. The entirety of his zone control is based around how much damage his soldiers threaten with. If they didn't deal damage you could just ignore them and let them hit you. According to what you've said so far, he has not only deals no damage of any kind, but has nothing worthwhile anywhere in his kit, which is way off base.

TheRakkun1 votes

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You don't play matches with Azirs in them if you think he has 0 burst and poor sustained damage. The entirety of his zone control is based around how much damage his soldiers threaten with. If they didn't deal damage you could just ignore them and let them hit you. According to what you've said so far, he has not only deals no damage of any kind, but has nothing worthwhile anywhere in his kit, which is way off base.

Are you fucking dense. His Q doesn't deal much burst damage since it no longer scales with No. Of soldiers, mainly being used for re positioning and the slow. His sustain is poor compared to an ADC, which is essentially what it is, however it's still not laughable damage, nor is an ADC's AA's that the point of sustained damage is it amounts over time. Other than damage and some disengage he doesn't actually have much anymore.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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Are you fucking dense. His Q doesn't deal much burst damage since it no longer scales with No. Of soldiers, mainly being used for re positioning and the slow. His sustain is poor compared to an ADC, which is essentially what it is, however it's still not laughable damage, nor is an ADC's AA's that the point of sustained damage is it amounts over time. Other than damage and some disengage he doesn't actually have much anymore.

And yet according to your match history, you main him and consistently do very well. 20+ kills per match well. In Ranked. If he was as useless as you claim, you wouldn't be maining him, let alone destroying with him on a regular basis. So I think what I'm seeing here is a main who knows their favorite champ is broken but doesn't want to admit it, lest the champ actually be brought in to line.

TheRakkun1 votes

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And yet according to your match history, you main him and consistently do very well. 20+ kills per match well. In Ranked. If he was as useless as you claim, you wouldn't be maining him, let alone destroying with him on a regular basis. So I think what I'm seeing here is a main who knows their favorite champ is broken but doesn't want to admit it, lest the champ actually be brought in to line.

That was PRE-NERF not only that, that was in BRONZE. Look at my matches recently, something along the lines of 5/7/6 or something like that. Highest recently was probably 12/8

Primaquarius1 votes

Ziggs has been doing those things for a while

Rustling Bush1 votes

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Ziggs has been doing those things for a while

yeah, thats why riot gutted him, i remember how annoying he was when he was fotm.

Lord Azır1 votes

Great laning phase? He has the lowest win rate at 25 mins out of any champion in the game at a 30% win rate if the game is under 25 minutes. Please tell me again how that's a great laning phase, when statistically it's the worst. Not to mention he's only played in 2% of games so saying he's in every other game when he only shows up every 1/50 games is just stupid.

Randomonium1 votes

Azir has the lowest win rate among all mid laners in plat+. He's been nerfed into the ground over the past couple patches. The only reason why you see him in LCS is that he has such a high skill cap.

Sakura Mirage1 votes

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Azir has the lowest win rate among all mid laners in plat+. He's been nerfed into the ground over the past couple patches. The only reason why you see him in LCS is that he has such a high skill cap.

I'm waiting for people to say winrate doesn't matter and these will be the same people that complain about vayne and looks up winrates. hypocrites all around the boards.

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