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"omg you nerfed Veigar so hard! his stun! his ratios! everything nerfed!"

HateDaddy··13 votes·1,207 views

Yeah, in exchange for giving the best infinite scaler the safest tool for his farming mechanic. Point blank, if Veigar plays passive as shit, you literally CANNOT stop him from farming, and the difference between his farm and someone like Nasus' is that it scales his entire AP while also being completely risk free.

"b-b-b-but he's immobile"

And he's ranged. When will this board learn that if you're ranged and know how to position, your immobility doesn't mean shit. He has 950 range on his Q, in a short lane like mid, you can't do anything to stop him from farming it.

"omg! his stun was gutted!!"

True, it was nerfed overall. But it was also the most broken non ult ability in the game by far. Instead of walking up in a siege, stunning one of your carries and bursting them, he has to use it as follow up which its still a god tier basic ability.

"stop hatedaddy! leave me alone! his ratios and base damages were gutted!"

Let's put it like this, he has the safest tool to farm his AP and stack it up without you being able to stop or delay him while gaining a ridiculous level 6 power spike. These are his base damages:

Q: Magic Damage: 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+ 60% AP) W: Magic Damage: 120 / 170 / 220 / 270 / 320 (+ 100% AP) R: Magic Damage: 250 / 375 / 500 (+ 100% AP) (+ 80% of target's AP)

These aren't going to top the charts, but these are not weak damages or scaling. Not to mention anything that builds AP will literally just die to his R alone late game. He's not weak, he was never weak. He's probably just a bit overtuned because of all the unnecessary buffs he received that he didn't need but innately I don't think he's broken. Of course you can't say this on this board and you haven't been able to because they're too busy QQing about Zed, who is complete garbage at the moment, Lee, who is a shell of his former self and also sucks, Yasuo, yeah he's strong - so what? Then they turn around and try to defend Azir lmao. This board is pretty stupid honestly, but that's already well known.

In short: good players have learned that the best scaling mage in the game while having the safest farming tool is actually good right now. He's getting banned a lot now in high elo because people know this. I've been saying forever he was fine and didn't need many buffs aside from a few small tweaks but he was pushed a bit too far. If you think Veigar is weak right now, you're honestly really bad and don't understand this game.

25 Comments

Support Evelynn4 votes

+1 nerf Veigar.

Krashino3 votes

Im going to post the SAME thing I post on every other Veigar thread I manage to get ahold of. Veigar was perfectly fine before he was able to gain AP off of Assists. That needs to be removed and Veigar will be fine again.

HateDaddy3 votes

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Im going to post the SAME thing I post on every other Veigar thread I manage to get ahold of. Veigar was perfectly fine before he was able to gain AP off of Assists. That needs to be removed and Veigar will be fine again.

agreed, that and probably the 100 range buff on his Q, which is 950 range. It was originally 850 and people complained. But 950 range is absurd.

3TWarrior1 votes

and that's what minions are for. a veigar that pushes the lane is going to die XD

ClockHead3 votes

Veigar needs to be reworked, and when I say reworked, I don't mean a quick fix like scaling or stun times or cooldowns, I mean he needs a full on ability rework for his E and R, and his Q and W need to be tweaked. It has absolutely nothing to do with him being OP or UP, but more that he simply isn't fun to play for the player, or the enemy. Sure, I mean you can play a few games with him and have fun with the 1200 AP, but after 2-4 games it gets boring, and you move on to somebody else. That's not what it should be like.

I've always thought that Veigar's E and R should be switched, with some strong tweaking. For example, his E would be his current R, except with less scaling on AP and enemy AP, but it would also heal him for a small percentage and slow the enemy. This would be good for sustain in lane if the enemy is ahead. His R would be his current E, except everybody in a radius (think bard's ult) would be slowed by 60-90 percent, and would have a DFG effect where Veigar's magic damage does a percentage more.

Curling Veigar2 votes

I've never thought he was weak, I made a thread that says he was good many months ago.

I don't think he needs a nerf, because there are clear ways to play around him. He has counter play and he dies instantly if you jump on him.

I want his ult to be reworked though. I don't like the enemy AP ratio thing on it, I'd rather him just be better versus everyone but not overkill versus things that build AP... many people agreed with this in the other thread.

HateDaddy2 votes

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I've never thought he was weak, I made a thread that says he was good many months ago.

I don't think he needs a nerf, because there are clear ways to play around him. He has counter play and he dies instantly if you jump on him.

I want his ult to be reworked though. I don't like the enemy AP ratio thing on it, I'd rather him just be better versus everyone but not overkill versus things that build AP... many people agreed with this in the other thread.

that's fair

BeMyFriendPlease2 votes

Give him sustain or blinks or make him manaless like the other cancers (or mana sustain,... REAL mana sustain)

Then gut him as you please. If you can't figure out how to beat an immobile delayed CC skillshot champ with low damage for the first 15 minutes of the game

Trust me, no amount of nerfs will help you

Trash MammaI1 votes

Change that to the first 20 minutes. Every Veigar I've seen usually gets stomped in laning because everytime they try to farm they get a zed or Yasuo dashing in their faces

BeMyFriendPlease1 votes

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Change that to the first 20 minutes. Every Veigar I've seen usually gets stomped in laning because everytime they try to farm they get a zed or Yasuo dashing in their faces

He's immobile, like it or not, he has ZERO movespeed increases, ZERO dashes, ZERO blinks, teleports, sidesteps, shadows, all he does is walk.

With no sustain. Period. With the mana regen nerfs his passive is... mediocre, at best. Zero self heal/shields hell, arguably peel unless his opponent is a potato

and no early game mechanics. He farms, and dies if he doesn't run or if his opponent messes up, period.

Yet people think he needs nerfs because everything needs to be a manaless teleporting all over the map assassin to be healthy.

Miraweave2 votes

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Not to mention anything that builds AP will literally just die to his R alone late game.

Mid game, more likely, if the Veigar's ahead. Lategame, anything that builds AP will have Hourglass and Veigar's ult will be useless. And if that doesn't count, then it doesn't count for Zed's ult either.

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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HateDaddy3 votes

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Lets be honest, when the dust settles, his immobility will still hold him back. League still favors mobility too much.

There have been plenty of immobile champions to be viable before, there will be plenty of them that will be again. Long range goes a long way to help with immobility.

LaserDeathBlade2 votes

Yeah idk why people are complaining about the new Viegar, he's much more fun and just as strong

Personally I like to build him just like Nasus. Rush CDR, stack Q, build tank and rely on stacks. You'll have more than enough AP to gib squishies assuming you farm properly, and you'll basically be immortal as long as you're not sitting in the front lines

It also makes up for the stun nerf because as long as they're in your circle you can just run up, face tank, and gib them

Very Hard Engage2 votes

i watched froggen play veigar for days...... (still hasn't snowballed yet!) but im waiting.

on the other hand.... he rarely dies as lux and chunks from a reliably safe distance resulting in high KDA. but when he plays veigar, hes usually 1-1, or maybe slightly ahead, but never snowballing.

im flat out telling you, veigar has issues in his kit, and riot felt the need to give him raw stat buff after stat buff for the sole purpose of inflating his win rate, they didn't bother to address his kit or his multiple core problems.

so now hes an epic team player, but still a suckish champion, even with 52% win rate.

because you know why? hes going to get dived on, focused, poked, cc'd, and pop'd due to his low health, and he will die and contribute nothing. he DEMANDS, a front line, and peel, and at which safe point, he THEN can follow up with his already absurd damage.

veigar is rarely the reason why your team wins, hes just insurance to win team fights if the game goes beyond 30+ minutes and the enemy team hasn't made a noticeable lead yet.

N3mO061 votes

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i watched froggen play veigar for days...... (still hasn't snowballed yet!) but im waiting.

on the other hand.... he rarely dies as lux and chunks from a reliably safe distance resulting in high KDA. but when he plays veigar, hes usually 1-1, or maybe slightly ahead, but never snowballing.

im flat out telling you, veigar has issues in his kit, and riot felt the need to give him raw stat buff after stat buff for the sole purpose of inflating his win rate, they didn't bother to address his kit or his multiple core problems.

so now hes an epic team player, but still a suckish champion, even with 52% win rate.

because you know why? hes going to get dived on, focused, poked, cc'd, and pop'd due to his low health, and he will die and contribute nothing. he DEMANDS, a front line, and peel, and at which safe point, he THEN can follow up with his already absurd damage.

veigar is rarely the reason why your team wins, hes just insurance to win team fights if the game goes beyond 30+ minutes and the enemy team hasn't made a noticeable lead yet.

I try to fight against him with rengar. It Was ok until midgame, but then....I can't 1shot him because of zhonya and roa while he just press r, It was hilarious... and Man, trust me, a 5men stun, it's game

SirPacifista1 votes

If he oneshots you then you had no Mr, at least a item 1033 is needed for any ap later on, even through a item 3155 item 3156 item 3102 item 3139 will make you far safer in killing him. As a Veigar main i can say that Rengar is normally very hard to handle if he knows what hes doing, since he can burst you down very fast.

vIbvdOwbko1 votes

i really dont think hes that good.

ive been seeing a ton of veigars since his rework and he really is easy to play around because they're usually retarded and walk up really far trying to E.

Big Lincoln1 votes

i think he's fine rn but i'm probably biased

AP on assists is a little weird, but afaik every stacker except Nasus gets that

the only thing i think needs to go is his R's enemy AP ratio. it's probably the only thing that really makes it a unique spell, but he doesn't really have any other 'anti-mage' qualities to his kit, so I think it can stand to go.

AkabaneKun1 votes

The W buff was unnecessary, shit with this much dmg, Magic Damage: 120 / 170 / 220 / 270 / 320 (+ 100% AP) aoe, should be hard to hit.

3TWarrior1 votes

chogath, brand, zed(his isn't even hard to hit but is instead mechanically intensive but considering he can triple any of of his ratios and bases...), malzahar,

a lot of mages have that high of a ratio and don't require a full second of delay or more

the reason it's so high is because his scaling can get ridiculous and he has a crowd control method

Wind Whistler1 votes

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The W buff was unnecessary, shit with this much dmg, Magic Damage: 120 / 170 / 220 / 270 / 320 (+ 100% AP) aoe, should be hard to hit.

W buff? I don't remember them touching that ability for a long time.

N3mO061 votes

I always knew Veigar was strong, was enough that with a button he could1shot someone. Posts like these on this forum made me laugh just like post about Lux:Pls Rito buff Lux, she is not good at nothing, then after a meager buff to her q (because, let's face it, It isn't a so great buff) she is close to 60 % win rate.

khorney1 votes

he can infinitly farm his q ..... you cant really nerf him

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