Talon's WR back to almost 55% in diamond

Rexxiee·Jul 29, 2018·59 votes·15,969 views

Thanks for the useless nerfs riot, how about giving him some real nerfs to his broken early game damage or 0 cost mobility?

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IceAYonJul 29, 201829 votes

He is suppose to have a strong early game, so his early game dmg is high. He is suppose to be a good roamer, so he has 0 cost mobility.

But the only problem now is that Talon can avoid lane interaction with mid lane through the Tiamat wave clear that is totally fixed through the nerfs. The challenger OTP called the nerfs out(stating why they aren't going to work) before, but no, there are still people thinking they are viable nerfs and Riot made the right step, in addition to more people thinking the challenger OTP still wants his champion to be broken and be a pick or ban. Like champ mains would want that to happen to their champ.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂJul 29, 20184 votes

I was complaining and moaning when katarina was pick or ban status :/ then they nerfed ONLY her E and i was crying more cause that wasnt gonna do anything. next patch they nerfed her passive quite well and i liked it.

I genuinly cannot understand people who want their champs to be strong :/ id much rather have my kat weak so i can use her whenever i want rather than hoping she doesnt get banned or picked :/

IceAYonJul 29, 20182 votes

it depends if their champ is completely dumpster (compared to others who don't have much a pick rate but still good). Like Elise and Kallista. It can feel like shit playing them and could use some help.

There are some that are good, but they might work well compared to other, like Rumble. But since he doesn't have high playrate, he might be seen as not working too well and gets buffed. Then Rumble gets a free ticket to the broken train.(That was an example what would happen) There are people that said Lux is garbage. Tho I think she is good.

But there is also people who think if their champ isn't labeled meta, broken, or OP, it is weak. They either will understand that it is a bad thing. or they pick it up as a good thing since their champ is broken. I don't understand them either.

For me right now, (tho I give up and im low elo) Talon is pick/ban and I don't like being grouped with Talon abusers tho I played him since November when I started, Heimerdinger is on the rise and Ekko is rising also. It sucks. Plus the Aatrox rework.

(just read the first and second sentence. that would be my response.)

T Captain TJul 30, 20181 votes

Honestly the only nerf I felt was right with Kat was when she was first reworked and she had instant shunpo. She's still strong but she had so many nerfs. Reduced shunpo damage, passive nerf, Q harrass procs minion aggro. She's not bad but other assassins are just so much better/stronger currently because they can output so much DMG, even when behind and even worse, can snowball like crazy if they get ahead. For ex: Zed, Ekko, Wukong Talon. If you've given first blood as Kat and can't manage to get a kill to get back into the game, you're gonna be useless all game.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂJul 30, 20181 votes

I am assuming u are a first time kat player. She is virtually impossible to be useless with. :/ And tbf kat was in a serious state of pick/ban more serious than talon atm. only nerf i honestly didnt like was Q minnion aggro. annoying af.

However aslong as u can jump in a fight and drop W R to damage atleast half health from 3 targets before getting targetted and rekt urself. means ur not useless. The reason why kat can't be useless is cause she is an AOE assassin rather than a 1 target assassing (which she can still do). Regardless if you are 0/7 against a 4/1 talon for example. in a teamfight kat excells and provides more than a fed talon. :/ Unless enmies build stupid amounts of MR.

T Captain TJul 31, 20181 votes

I've been playing Katarina since preseason 1 in 2011 and one tricked her to diamond in season 4 lol. I know the champion very well. Her dmg is nothing compared to other assassins when they fall behind. You can't beat a Talon mid at all unless he's very bad. Even when a talon falls short and goes 0/3 because your jungler camped him, he can still 1v1 you easily. Her AOE is strong but she's very prone to death without resets. Like I said, she's not bad but she's nowhere near as good as current assassins. Kat's damage just doesn't compare when the enemy is already snowballing, compared to other assassins. Unless she can pick herself back up with a nice cleanup, she'll get shut down the whole game.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂJul 31, 20181 votes

Dude she is not a solo character she is a team based champ. She is supposed to combo in your team IF not fed. Like with kennen,ornn,malphite and so on. If your team doesnt have any other engager and ur behind as kat well then ur kinda fuked. But ussualy i have an 85% lane winrate so :^) doesnt really bother me most of the times.

T Captain TAug 1, 20181 votes

She's an assassin. She can be a solo champ if she's ahead or a team based champ when she's not so ahead and looking for cleanups. Doesn't matter if you win your lane either because carrying 1v5 isn't as easy in this meta since everyone has the potential to 1 shot you. You didn't need a team built around you during season 1-4 if you were good with Kat because she could carry the whole team easily when she's fed. Like I said in the original posts, she's not as good compared to the AD assassins. Laning against Malzahar, Kassadin, Diana, Galio etc is way easier in this meta than it is against Talon, Zed, Aatrox, Yas etc. That's how you know there's something wrong with the balance of the game. But that's just my opinion.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂAug 1, 20181 votes

you kinda plagiarised what i said about kat when she is behind and when she isnt :D and dude in season 1-4 kat was honestly the yasuo of today. hated by everyone because she honestly took less skill than a teemo's Q. Hence why people called her a faceroll champ. I do agree that carrying is harder now due to the absurd damage :/ due to the giant mobility people can easily dodge every dagger placed with Q W which is beyond annoying cause thats most of her damage >:/ and im sorry how is hard to lane against aatrox as kat? xd never had a problem with that.

T Captain TAug 4, 20181 votes

Huh? Almost everything you say doesn’t relate to the topic we’re discussing. It’s about other assassins that are stronger when behind compared to Kat. Not her level of difficulty when playing her. Also, you’ve probably never played against a good Aatrox. He’s a strong lane bully, just like Leblanc, Talon, Zed etc. They can harass freely without any commitment. Kat scales real well though which is why she’s able to deal with them if the game drags out to that point if she hasn’t snowballed yet. Also the new Kat takes more skills mechanically but she’s still the same champ. You need reaction, timing, knowing when to hop in and hop out. People in high elo knew how to shut her down easily. She was easier to play but that was it. Only the less skilled players couldn’t handle her. After playing the reworked for a couple of games, she still feels the same Tbh.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂAug 4, 20181 votes

I have played against a good aatrox. tell me how is he gonna hit his main damage source Q if you are have a brain and can dash to your caster minion with E. you probably just aint good for that. leblanc,talon,zed are broken people know of this already. If you actually payed attention to the game instead of just not thinking and pressing buttons you would do better in laning phase.

Aatrox cant hit Q if you have more than half a brain as kat. Leblanc W and E can be dodged if you pay attention, they are not instant effects. Talon has 1 dodgeable ability. zed also has 1 dodgeable ability. Guess what they are all well too easy to predict and you have E and W which gives a little speed burst. Yes sometimes they will get you with a good shot but if you consistently get hit with that. you might just not be a good kat player. hard to admit but its true. I rarely have trouble against them. Laning phase is not a problem for people who ACTUALLY TRY to actively dodge.... Problem is at level 10 you run through the jungle even with wards and u get oneshot from 1 dark spot... If with the rework she feels the same to you then you are just a bad kat player...

Laning phase is not the problem with any champ... I'ts their damage on your crappy teammates with 1 item. If i had 1 penny for everytime a teammate told me to stfu after i ping my laner missing. i would buy riot games... Problem is that people who even complain about champs that can be easily be avoided are too trash to get over their own ego. KAT IS VERY GOOD IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN! How can any of them hit you if you dash away? Q E W E simple? Jump behind them instead of in their face where they dont have to flip the fuking mouse behind them. makes skillshots impecably hard. When you use W move to the side??? Not easy to predict 500 MS left or right 50/50

The only thing you are saying is that Kat is bad when the play is bad against certain champs.

No one is complaining when Kat is vs veigar cause he has 3 skillshots that can be dodged easily with kat. But when kat vs zed everyone complains cause hurr durr he too stronk he Q deal 3000k damage. Only thing that is not okay with ad assassins is the infamous DUSKBLADE nothing about those champions are OP without duskblade.

I hate players like you. May god have mercy on your soul. and by god please move 1 inch after using W and you wont get hit by Chains, Shurikens, Talons. good day sir....

T Captain TAug 5, 20181 votes

Once again you don't make any sense. You have no intelligence when it come's to a debate. You can't analyze and process what you're reading. I assume English isn't your first language so I won't get only on you for that. Never have I ever said Kat was bad once again. I just stated that the other assassins are stronger than her currently in every aspect in terms of trade, damage, and being safe. Ahri, Zed, Talon, LB etc have strong laning phases and can harass constantly. I'm a good Kat player. I've been playing her well consistently for 7 years. Way before you even probably picked up the game. When I said she feels the same to me, I wasn't stating that she was bad, I was stating that she still requires the same skills as she did previously. Reaction, timing, matchup knowledge etc is needed for Kat and I have all of that which is why I performed well with the old Kat and new. Boast all you want about being good with Kat nobody really cares. I know my champ and I never downplay her in the slightest. None of your arguments make sense in the slightest and you sound like a dumbass. "Talon has 1 dodgeable ability, Zed has 1 dodgeable ability" Talon's rake is unreactable with the speed it goes out on. The only way to avoid it is to play very safe. Same with Zed when he uses his W+E+Q combo and procs electrocute. It goes out very fast and he can harass from a distance. Only way to avoid it is to play back as well and lose minion gold or CS. Like I said once again because I have to repeat it since you're a dumbass. Kat struggles in laning phase against other assassins because they can out trade and play safe. After laning phase it's all skill level and that's where you dominate most players. Now stop replying to me after you've read this because I can't stand reading your messy sentences. Btw, you have a huge ego. We're talking about balance, not upplaying a champion. If you win every laning phase with her against meta slaves good for you. No one cares buddy.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂAug 5, 20181 votes

Same can be said about you. Kat in terms of trade is up on the food chain. she is beyons safe and can harass as often as any of that champs u mentioned. 7 years so you have only 5 seasons under your belt. okay. Old kat in no way in hell needed reaction, timing, matchup knowledge. Judging your op.gg you are a liar in every sense. And your arguments are very opinionised with no proof. For example LB can outpoke a kat? what are you smoking? literally my last game i demolished a lb cause she missed every W E due to me using my E with more than half a brain. Judging by how you talk with nothing to back up your claims you don't know kat as well as you might think. Resorting to name calling ironic for a dumbass. Talons rake doesnt require reaction time. it requires you to predict when there is an obvious chance he will throw it. only way to avoid it is to count abilities seconds. W E Q zed is beyond easy to predict. Kat does not struggle in laning phase when i play her so can you please offer some proof? I can't remember the last time i lost to a talon mid. i kinda dominate and start xp zoning them. so where do you get this idea from? enlighten me oh not so dumb kat player. The irony is that your sentences are even messier and your ego is by far larger than mine which is quite sad how stuck up you are that can't take one bit of truth towards a champ he supposedely plays for 7 years. (bs btw). you should admit when you are wrong. THE FACT THAT YOU GO AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HER LANING PHASE ONLY FOR SOMEONE TO PROVE YOU WRONG and then complain about them being better and saying no one cares is just pure mental illness at this point. Sad that after 7 years you have learned nothing about the champ you chose to main. Please stop replying cause your walls of text are honestly just sad. Do not give us kat players a bad rep by playing her, thank you.

T Captain TAug 5, 20181 votes

Didn’t bother reading any of it besides the last paragraph. Everything you say is messy and you can’t provide anything intelligible to the discussion. You put words into my mouth and you’re not worth talking to. You swear you’re a god player it’s funny. I don’t downplay my champ. I know when they’re good and when they’re solid and she’s definitely in a solid place this meta. Like I said, if you’re winning that much with Kat then keep on winning games and raise her stats. Have a nice day buddy! Btw quit watching too much anime, its bad for you :(

Crescent DuskJul 29, 20181 votes

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He is suppose to have a strong early game, so his early game dmg is high. He is suppose to be a good roamer, so he has 0 cost mobility.

But the only problem now is that Talon can avoid lane interaction with mid lane through the Tiamat wave clear that is totally fixed through the nerfs. The challenger OTP called the nerfs out(stating why they aren't going to work) before, but no, there are still people thinking they are viable nerfs and Riot made the right step, in addition to more people thinking the challenger OTP still wants his champion to be broken and be a pick or ban. Like champ mains would want that to happen to their champ.

He has to have interaction. Most people who say he has no interaction haven't played a Talon against a competent Lux, Karma, or Anivia. I won't even mention a good Galio who also has strong matching waveclear.

Talon is total garbage in teamfights or against any team with a working frontline or a rakan/alistair support.

Zed also wins lane against Talon easily, as does Fizz and Ekko.

Or you can pick Vladimir and win every single fight against him since you can pool his passive proc every single time and outsustain him.

IceAYonJul 29, 20185 votes

if you never played against a Talon who runs Tiamat(or you don't use Tiamat with below combo), then you have no idea what I'm talking about. He can clear the wave with W-Tiamat-AA-meleeQ and leave the lane.

Talon doesn't really teamfight, but it is more he finds the right time to dive into a teamfight to kill someone with his combo and get out. Or he is causing pressure or 1v1 a squishy. Or he fights in skirmishes.

It depends on how well you know the matchup and same for the other player.

Crescent DuskJul 30, 20182 votes

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if you never played against a Talon who runs Tiamat(or you don't use Tiamat with below combo), then you have no idea what I'm talking about. He can clear the wave with W-Tiamat-AA-meleeQ and leave the lane.

Talon doesn't really teamfight, but it is more he finds the right time to dive into a teamfight to kill someone with his combo and get out. Or he is causing pressure or 1v1 a squishy. Or he fights in skirmishes.

It depends on how well you know the matchup and same for the other player.

Why are you lecturing as if I've never played against or as one?

If he goes to Tiamat the wave I poke him hard as fuck with Lux's E or Anivia's Q's or Ahri's Q. Like, virtually if he wants to get into melee range of minions he's going to eat a poke. In the case of Anivia or Lux it's a free bind or stun on top to chunk him for well half his health.

If you're letting the Talon just walk up and melee minions without punishing his inferior range against yours, that's your problem. If he used Tiamat on the wave he also loses a ton of kill pressure on you. It's virtually the time to blow him up even with minions up as his W early is a whopping 7+ sec cd.

y0r1ckJul 30, 20182 votes

Like, virtually

IceAYonJul 30, 20182 votes

I know you play him, but im not sure if you yourself use the combo.

I'm sure Talon can dodge them or bait it out. Or Talon can have the wave on his side of the map and proceed to pull his combo on you. He blows you up a lot faster than Lux/Anivia/Ahri can.

Crescent DuskJul 30, 20182 votes

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I know you play him, but im not sure if you yourself use the combo.

I'm sure Talon can dodge them or bait it out. Or Talon can have the wave on his side of the map and proceed to pull his combo on you. He blows you up a lot faster than Lux/Anivia/Ahri can.

You can also dodge or bait out the Talon, that's not even a valid argument. He's got a 575 max range, you outrange him massively so if you allowed him to get in Q range and didn't even bind/charm/stun him mid-leap where he is animation locked and then walked away from any follow up by him, that's your failing.

It's one thing to be caught out on the jungle by a Talon, but if you're dying to him in lane as Lux, Ahri, or Anivia, you are not playing a mage properly.

IceAYonJul 31, 20181 votes

So Talon pretend to walk up to blow you up and but then he just sidestep your CC ability(or he just goes back without trying to dodge) and clear the wave with Tiamat combo. Then he goes to roam. Even if you do land the CC and chunk him half health, he clears the wave and goes to roam. Why? Cause you need to back off or Talon will blow you up.

If Talon walk up to pretend he is going to jump and blow you up, and you back off, he is going to go back to farm through Tiamat combo and leave.

He doesn't need to kill you at all. He can kill someone in bot lane or top lane, even the jungler instead. He can just Tiamat combo, pretend to gank a different lane or actually gank, and also clear vision while you need to deal with the wave, because he can zone you off it.

Maybe it is just less lane interaction with Tiamat(and not no lane interaction), but giving an assassin to be able to clear the wave that fast isn't that healthy. But the most interactions the opposing laner can get out of it is 1 combo and some poke if Talon isn't good.

Crescent DuskJul 31, 20181 votes

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So Talon pretend to walk up to blow you up and but then he just sidestep your CC ability(or he just goes back without trying to dodge) and clear the wave with Tiamat combo. Then he goes to roam. Even if you do land the CC and chunk him half health, he clears the wave and goes to roam. Why? Cause you need to back off or Talon will blow you up.

If Talon walk up to pretend he is going to jump and blow you up, and you back off, he is going to go back to farm through Tiamat combo and leave.

He doesn't need to kill you at all. He can kill someone in bot lane or top lane, even the jungler instead. He can just Tiamat combo, pretend to gank a different lane or actually gank, and also clear vision while you need to deal with the wave, because he can zone you off it.

Maybe it is just less lane interaction with Tiamat(and not no lane interaction), but giving an assassin to be able to clear the wave that fast isn't that healthy. But the most interactions the opposing laner can get out of it is 1 combo and some poke if Talon isn't good.

lol, if Talon walks to me, I chunk him with an aoe nuke like Lux's E which he will not dodge. I only save my bind for when he's in the middle of leap animation or autoattacking a minion as that roots him in place and delays his dodge.

Second, if you chunk half of Talon's health and he goes roaming, he dies to anyone who's not a vegetable because any Lee Sin or Xin Zhao or even bot lane can kill a half health talon in less time than it takes him to throw a W Q combo.

He isn't going to ever blow a control mage up if the control mage knows what they're doing or gets ganked by Talon in the jungle via wall hop.

IceAYonJul 31, 20181 votes

Does Lux need E to farm? At the same time, if Talon hasn't clear his farm, he can Q back to his farm or he either bait your E out of you.

If he runs into the jungler, it is probably unlucky or Talon messed up in some way. If he gets to bot lane, it would be a 3v2, and it would likely be a win on his side unless Talon or his bot lane really fucks up(or the enemy bot lane had the lvl and gold advantage). He isn't going there to 1v2 or 2v2(most likely). If you add junglers, there is 4v3 unless one isn't paying attention.

I kinda of want to fight this out through a 1v1 match(more than 1 game involving talon vs mages matchups to show some trades to prove some points), but I don't have a mouse with working battery and I probably turning into a rusty player as time goes on. But hey, I'm in the middle of an argument on a game I kinda lose interest in, but why I am here? I don't know.

Noor SakataJul 29, 201817 votes

how about just nerf item 3147 ? xD

Sharpest glassesJul 30, 20181 votes

dosnt matter his threat dosnt come from dusk anymore (since the nerf)

Noor SakataJul 30, 20181 votes

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dosnt matter his threat dosnt come from dusk anymore (since the nerf)

Honestly balancing him starts from nerfing Duskblade then Electrocute then Ignite , some MR nerfs are fine since they overbuffed this part , I think he might be ok later , generally the game will be more balanced by nerfing dusk and electro and ignite

Sharpest glassesJul 31, 20181 votes

Duskblade was nerfed enough... i agree with electrocute and mr nerf. And i think they need to revert his Q range buff.

ShaydroxJul 30, 20182 votes

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how about just nerf ? xD

That would honestly solve a lot of issues. Not sure if Talon would be balanced, but it would definitely give him (and many others ofc) a push into the right direction.

Dream HighJul 29, 20187 votes

Not sure why the edgey only plays ad in mid kids don't play him much in low elo. The champ is freelo and a lot easier than Zed / Yasuo

Sharpest glassesJul 29, 20183 votes

If you wan't to really nerf him, u need to nerf item 3077

RexxieeJul 29, 201823 votes

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If you wan't to really nerf him, u need to nerf

Nerf the whole bruiser class because talon is so broken that he can rush a low damage item and still 1 shot ppl.

Sounds about right LMAO

DKM BismarckJul 29, 20182 votes

He isn't wrong. Talon isn't the only champion who is over benefitting from Tiamat. Tiamat is busted rn and Talons biggest problem is low-interaction waveclear into a roam. You can't delete his roaming, that's his identity and if you aren't stupid, Talon can easily be shut down 1v1 in lane. It's just the waveclear and short cds.

The best way to nerf Talon would be to nerf Tiamat and W cd, E wall cd (from 160-60 secs to 180-60 secs) or R cd (from 100-60 to 120-60 secs)

All these hit important "problems" Talon has right now. Clear wave > roam > pick and choose fights pretty much to your leisure > dictate the entire pace of the game by existing thanks to low cd roaming, high map pressure, fantastic waveclear and low cooldown ultimate, without completely annihilating any of those aspects, as they are very real strengths that keep him viable, he shouldn't just LOSE them.

Though, I do not think Talon is the single strongest mid laner in the game anymore, he is still quite powerful and probably should be looked at again, as well as a few other mid laners, too.

I also would not be against reworking Duskblade into a new, less toxic Lethality item, but that's a cooooompletely different can of worms.

Sharpest glassesJul 30, 20181 votes

Though, I do not think Talon is the single strongest mid laner in the game anymore, he is still quite powerful and probably should be looked at again, as well as a few other mid laners, too.

i think its either him, Zoe or TF.

I also would not be against reworking Duskblade into a new, less toxic Lethality item, but that's a cooooompletely different can of worms.

i would remove the damage bonus part. this item is already good on his own.

DKM BismarckAug 4, 20182 votes

Sorry I didn't check the boards, it's just an echo chamber as you can see from our downvotes. I think it's probably TF or Ahri in soloq

I wouldn't be totally against removing the damage part but keeping the slow, it'd be a fine band-aid fix until they could do something else with Duskblade. But I honestly just think that Duskblade is bad for the overall health of the game and has been since they changed it from the true damage iteration, which wasn't causing too many issues because it didn't have all the great stats Youmuu has and extra damage over it, meaning that unless you are Talon or a Zed in a lane where all you can do is roam, Duskblade is usually going to be a superior rush and whilst I respect that was Riots intention, it has not been healthy for the game. I say this as someone who has mained Talon for a very, very long time.

Emerald FangJul 29, 20182 votes

Talon is just an inherently difficult champion to balance, he outputs SO MUCH damage while being super squishy at the same time so if you nerf his damage he becomes almost unplayable. I do think his crit Q NEEDS to be reduced. It's so punishing if you can get close to your enemy but if you can't you're kind of useless. Maybe 133% instead of 150%.

I think his E mobility needs to be reduced, if you manage to dodge his abilities and catch him he can just leap over walls which don't have that much of a cooldown (and there's a ton of them he can jump over).

There should be a higher cooldown on the ACTUAL ability. Like 20/16/12/8/4 seconds, so if you catch him out he can't necessarily escape and he has to choose if he will use his E to engage or not. (late game this won't be an issue since it's only 4 seconds).

Crescent DuskJul 29, 20181 votes

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Talon is just an inherently difficult champion to balance, he outputs SO MUCH damage while being super squishy at the same time so if you nerf his damage he becomes almost unplayable. I do think his crit Q NEEDS to be reduced. It's so punishing if you can get close to your enemy but if you can't you're kind of useless. Maybe 133% instead of 150%.

I think his E mobility needs to be reduced, if you manage to dodge his abilities and catch him he can just leap over walls which don't have that much of a cooldown (and there's a ton of them he can jump over).

There should be a higher cooldown on the ACTUAL ability. Like 20/16/12/8/4 seconds, so if you catch him out he can't necessarily escape and he has to choose if he will use his E to engage or not. (late game this won't be an issue since it's only 4 seconds).

Talon is pretty balanced right now. People just don't know to pick a Lux or Ahri or Anivia or Vladimir into him, even Zed stomps on him. Virtually any champ that can juke/kite out his passive.

The other problems is junglers who don't pick a Sejuani/Xin Zhao/Skarner into talon and then go crying that their Lee sin or Evelynn or Kindred got invaded and killed.

Then there's the bot lanes who pick a Sona or Janna and whine about him whereas if they had picked Rakan or Alistair the Talon becomes worthless in teamfights.

You see a Talon, you pick tanky champs with CC, that simple. Goes for most assassins.

HaIlMonitorJul 29, 20181 votes

Unraked level 30 account? Why do you care lol

SwiftKitten88Jul 29, 201819 votes

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Unraked level 30 account? Why do you care lol

he also has a diamond border... so.... yeah..

HaIlMonitorJul 29, 20182 votes

The account might have been Diamond, but according to his match history he doesnt play it. I was asking because if they dont even play why care? There are a handful of champs that have under a a fairly balanced winrate in every elo then all the sudden at D+ it spikes like crazy

BlåbæretJul 29, 20185 votes

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The account might have been Diamond, but according to his match history he doesnt play it. I was asking because if they dont even play why care? There are a handful of champs that have under a a fairly balanced winrate in every elo then all the sudden at D+ it spikes like crazy

This is a discussion Board; people are free to discuss whichever matter interests them. You stalking someone's profile doesn't change that, in fact it just reflects what kind of person you are.

oOBestEveNAOoJul 29, 20182 votes

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Unraked level 30 account? Why do you care lol

Lol, some one doesn't know who Rexsaur is. Always funny to watch new boards users walk into these traps. Never fails to make me chuckle.

HaIlMonitorJul 30, 20181 votes

Why because I don't look at random ass lol players as gods or what? I play this game, not care about random people that play it.

oOBestEveNAOoJul 30, 20182 votes

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Why because I don't look at random ass lol players as gods or what? I play this game, not care about random people that play it.

Sure cared enough about a random ass player and your ego that you tried to put some one down.

I'll grant this thread is not all that constructive or informative. But people who don't care don't waste time and energy being negative to other members of the community for little to no reason mate.

HaIlMonitorJul 31, 20181 votes

energy being negative to other members of the community for little to no reason mate

All this is post is another reason for people to hate on talon. I dont play the damn champ but its pathetic at how lower elo players (like hell I am only gold.) Bitch about stuff that doesnt effect us AT ALL. Like when Shyv had over a 60% winrate in KR d+ soloque that didnt effect anyone except that server but I still saw post about it from rando's that just got pubstomped by most likely a smurf. I actually finally understand fully why riot ignores these forums, its a bunch of babies that don't want to learn how to beat something and blame everything in the game except for themselves.

oOBestEveNAOoJul 31, 20181 votes

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All this is post is another reason for people to hate on talon. I dont play the damn champ but its pathetic at how lower elo players (like hell I am only gold.) Bitch about stuff that doesnt effect us AT ALL. Like when Shyv had over a 60% winrate in KR d+ soloque that didnt effect anyone except that server but I still saw post about it from rando's that just got pubstomped by most likely a smurf. I actually finally understand fully why riot ignores these forums, its a bunch of babies that don't want to learn how to beat something and blame everything in the game except for themselves.

It's a 5 or 6 consecutive season high diamond player echoing the sentiment of pro play at the moment...

It might be a silly and unconstructive post that's mostly just venting frustration, but that doesn't mean there isn't a real issue at play here and it certainly doesn't mean you have the right to be kind of dickish getting your words in edgewise.

HaIlMonitorJul 31, 20181 votes

Yeah it does. I play the game with the other 99% of the playerbase where his stats say he is fine, so why nerf something to oblivion because it effect almost no one? Glad the 75 champions with global winrates higher then Talon like Quinn and Ahri (who has a winrate higher then Talon until D+, which is is one of her bad matchups so you can consider he is the reason she is suppressed there) are ignored.

oOBestEveNAOoJul 31, 20181 votes

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Yeah it does. I play the game with the other 99% of the playerbase where his stats say he is fine

Your entire line of thinking based on this point is fallacious. His "stats are fine" at your level of play because no one at your level of play knows how to play the game.

You don't balance the rules of baseball around the capabilities of little leaguers. Same goes for this game and every other sport in the world.

HaIlMonitorJul 31, 20181 votes

Riot has said they balanced around Platinum multiple times already. Diamond meta is wonky and really shouldnt be seen as the end all be all. there are very few people in that elo ad there is know way that Data can be super accurate.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/na/diamond/by-winrate

Like look at this, first and for most Talon is only at a 53% winrate in NA/KR, but Reksai is at a 78% in NA, and Elise is 60% in KR.... Its all over the place and so how can they even attempt to balance that crap lol.

oOBestEveNAOoJul 31, 20181 votes

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Riot has said they balanced around Platinum multiple times already. Diamond meta is wonky and really shouldnt be seen as the end all be all. there are very few people in that elo ad there is know way that Data can be super accurate.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/na/diamond/by-winrate

Like look at this, first and for most Talon is only at a 53% winrate in NA/KR, but Reksai is at a 78% in NA, and Elise is 60% in KR.... Its all over the place and so how can they even attempt to balance that crap lol.

You have tiny sample sizes for Rek and Elise. Talon is seeing ubiquitous play at all levels in all regions and is permanent ban/pick in pro play in all regions at the moment. The Rek and Elise data samples are skewed by the relatively few dedicated mains of those champs that still play them with success in niche situations and aren't seeing pro play even IN those niche situations. The data doesn't lie, but when you misrepresent or misinterpret the data you can be lead to some false conclusions.

HaIlMonitorJul 31, 20181 votes

The data doesn't lie, but when you misrepresent or misinterpret the data you can be lead to some false conclusions.

I am not though, I was pointhing out what I thought was obvious. If they balance only on highest elo and that alone, talon will just enter the Azir/Ryze group of champs. He isnt that over the top anywhere else, its legit just in D+. His winrate isnt that over bearing and if you simply think Talon needs nerfed and someone like Ahri and/or quinn dont I really know what to think of the metal block the forums as a whole have.