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"Balanced" -- yeah.

Niyumi·Jun 13, 2017·1 votes·284 views

So first, why haven't you deleted AP champs yet (outside of a few outliers that you for some reason favor and keep broken)? You obviously don't like them, since half of them can't even be played without you being called a troll, and thanks to a VERY FAIR item , you can't play an AP assassin or burst mage and expect to do anything. And you can just stack MR and take zero damage, since mages can't shred 90% of your MR away like every AD champ can. They have zero sustain unless they can get away with building gunblade (which is what, 3 champs?). They're mostly skillshots too, whereas 95% of AD champs are all targeted or PBAoE.

Second, what in the fuck is an ADCs weakness? They burst harder and more reliably than assassins, they have more sustained damage than anyone, they drain tank better than Vlad, Swain and Morde (two of which were reworked for being "mindless balls of stats") ever did, their damage has no counterbuild options thanks to all the stupid armor pen and armor shred, they outrange more than half the roster, almost all of them have mobility, CC or both... what's the weak point? Oh sure, you could just burst them, right? But then... and and the newly "balanced" say otherwise.

Third... we have all these champs that DIRECTLY OPPOSE all the things you preach about, yet you ignore them or even buff them.

Riot goes on about player agency, about kits having windows of power and defined weaknesses, about having damage be played around rather than just automatically applied (statchecks), about having strengths AND weaknesses...What champs up here (short of "go nowhere near them" or "CC lock them into infinity") have even a tiny bit of counterplay? Most of them are targeted, and others you can literally do nothing about except hope you have high enough stats to not instantly die to them (or, in the case of a support, even do anything). If you statcheck them hard enough, maybe you can even win -- but their kits are so absurd that that's not likely.

So, remind me in what world this game is "fair and balanced" in, and then remind me how to put this game back in that fucked up dimension so the game can actually be fair and balanced for once.

8 Comments

Moooose3Jun 13, 20177 votes

This post is too braindead to warrant a real response.

Tyrone LannisterJun 13, 20171 votes

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Heres one

NiyumiJun 13, 20172 votes

Uh huh. Or, you didn't read it 'cause it's more than one sentence and your goldfish brain started to burn up.

If you are capable of reading like a human being though, then it means you don't actually have an argument, and so instead resort to name calling.

Moooose3Jun 13, 20174 votes

No this post is just braindead. A simple look at champ winrate stats put half of these "weak ap champs" in the top 20. Ahri had one of the highest winrates in the game last patch. Also, at a glance, more than half of the champs you're complaining about being strong and ignored or even buffed, a) haven't seen a buff in ages, and b) are the same ap champs you're saying are weak in the first half of your argument.

"Second, what in the fuck is an ADCs weakness?"- Have you tried playing one of these ap assassins you're stating are weak? The only way an adc could possibly be doing as much damage as you're stating is if they have like 20 kills, or have 0 defensive items. In which case landing a single charm as ahri will ensure a free kill on the adc. ADC's "mobility" is a joke compared to half the champs in the game.

Also. Get fed on syndra and you can literally q twice and then ult the adc, and basically 1 shot them even through maw.

In short, your post contradicts itself probably 5 times, and is basically just complete nonsense thrown together with 0 understanding of the game or the champs or items you're complaining about.

Deep Terror NamiJun 13, 20173 votes

Let's please not resort to insults. If you don't like his post, you don't need to respond.

EffervescentWolfJun 13, 20171 votes

I only read all of this because I thought it was absolutely hilarious, every bit. It was worth every word. In all seriousness you did make good points. Unfortunately you fail to understand how these things actually are balanced in the way riot wants them to be.

There was a time where nothing countered anything in this game. And anyone with a brain could reach diamond with a straight 1v5 playstyle. (Split push and kill anyone who comes your way)

All the bullshit you're talking about that everyone hates is all to keep every character in line. via all those "op" items you mentioned. Think about this. There's over 150 champions in the game, Do you have any idea how hard it is to manage all these champions and items with flawless satisfaction? No. it's not possible

The only way to make the game as balanced as it is today and not totally 1v5 split push to win toplane is to make all these counter-able things that we call "op and bs items".

What ties all this in and makes it balanced is TEAMWORK.... That's what riot is trying to do by giving you all these op item options. It's 100% to force you to work as a team. Someone get's 6 op items, and the enemy get's 6 other op items to work as a team and counter your op items.

All this might sound like crap to you, but it's just the cold hard truth. With good team work in this game. Nothing is more op. Because you have literally everything you need. It's the truth.

GlîtchyJun 13, 20171 votes

Sorry but buff Veigar? why? that'd be stupid af to do.

Shifue DravenJun 13, 20171 votes

I am going to try to tackle this subject as i really enjoy talking about this and wish riot would come talk on one of my post so here we go.

On the ap champ front they are actually in a ok place but most of their early games suck hence why hexdrinker really messes their world up early on. However some are great 1v1 fighters but most scale to late game with aoe and cc to control the team fights. I know usually when i build on ryze or teemo for example i get some Magic pent behind me and i can usually throw down a bit of damage or get L.torment for the burn damage so atleast something is messing them up.

As for the adc end of the agreement true if they build right they are snowbally as hell can take out tanks no problem or even whole teams. Then the fact of the enforced lifesteal on all of them good luck getting anywhere. While they do have a low health pool so heals look like a lot (they really are not) but the issues is good luck trying to out exchange a somewhat built adc.

Their balance is being soft targets IE a glass cannon but the issue remains that as of a 1v1 counter they usually only have one and it's in the early game and it's to stop them from farming which is the issue with most of the champs you listed up there and even then there is a tiered system inside those classes as well where some are more equal then others.

So the real issue comes down to champ(kit)vs itemization(and keystones/runes) which to me is the real issue at hand on this game that i have begged for an answer on. So i'll breakdown a champion that is perfect for this

Vladimir-the nature of his kit is already hard to balance riot has said this over and over but if you drop his stats he is crap and if he keeps them he is god so without looking at items it's either A) rework his whole kit again. B) Find a way to take some power from him that is not his stats. The problem lies here as many champs they have made honestly have poor design and are very feast or famine. Therefore itemization takes over this issue the items(keystones/rune) "make up" for the short coming on stats or lack of something but when you have other champs like use the items made for these certain champs they get gutted when they lose said item.

ryalis being the perfect example before they nerfed it why would a mage NOT use it? it has everything anyone could want. They gutted the item and what happened it trashed vlad more then he was (which he was in a bad spot at that time already) plus morde and i think 2 others cause other mages bought it all the time so they gut the item and it killed these champs. So then they have to buff these champs then they get broken again due to buffs cause then they find other spikes from items etc. it's a vicious cycle.

So basically the only balance i have ever seen to any champ sure fire is to deny them cash. other then that it's pick your poison and hope they don't pick after you for a real hard counter.

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