Ok, I'm sorry Annies a stupid champion Lol

Guy Fox Teemo·Sep 27, 2015·9 votes·1,752 views

Could we at LEAST, give her fucking tibbers a Cast time? Is that to much to ask for an ability the has ZERO counter play?

39 Comments

SpartenA7991Sep 27, 20153 votes

Then play Le blac, she has a silence....... I mean Talon because his E silen....... Well Kassadin can ....... um...... Malzahar ?

Guy Fox TeemoSep 27, 20151 votes

Leblanc doesn't have a silence :/, Kassadin doesn't either, and nor does talon.

SpartenA7991Sep 27, 20151 votes

Its a joke, the dots mean "OH, wait, not anymore"

For CarthageSep 27, 20152 votes

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IcyPepperSep 27, 20153 votes

With that change, it would probably need more range as compensation. Maybe?

Imo, she just needs a rework. We can talk all day about how Tibbers needs a delay, her passive, or how she's short ranged but is oppressive to melee, and so on and on. She's old, she's kind of outdated even if she's useful.

If it were up to me, we'd get a preteen Annie with the rework. Might take over a year, since she has a lot of skins and they would probably update her appearance a bit.

LeprechaunJinxSep 27, 20151 votes

Personally if they were to rework her I'd like to see less emphasis on spawning Tibbers and more on controlling him. Having a big beefy minion to personally control is pretty sick but right now so much of the power is loaded into the initial burst that comes out of her ult and not so much on its use afterwards.

IcyPepperSep 27, 20152 votes

I can see all of her spells interacting with Tibbers.

Instead of a stun, maybe her passive can snare or cripple (because you're on fire!) and turns into a stun after Tibbers is out, making her bear even more deadly post-summon.

NateThePunkSep 27, 20152 votes

you do realize how hard annie is punished when her tibbers stun is missed right? you miss that your are dead. there is a reason she is not played in the lcs professional play. she is not that good you just have not played enough to obtain the mechanics and knowledge to play against her.

IcyPepperSep 27, 20152 votes

I'm not really a huge hater of Annie, but her ult isn't exactly... a skillshot. It's not point and click, but it's not easy for opponents to avoid it outside of staying outside Annie's range or getting banshee's veil.

And I'm not sure why you're bring that up, that doesn't really have much to do with I said at all. If Annie is terribly punished for missing tibbers stun, or is never played in pro play for a reason, wouldn't that encourage a rework as to spread out her power budget?

I'm honestly thinking you just felt like going out of your way to insult some random stranger for no reason.

she is not that good you just have not played enough to obtain the mechanics and knowledge to play against her.

You have no idea how much I've played against Annie, and nothing beyond a generalization using my rank to properly judge my mechanics and knowledge. I'm aware of her counterplay, I'm just saying a rework would be nice because her kit is old and she could evolve and become a more interesting character for both teams.

NateThePunkSep 27, 20152 votes

she is fine the way she is, i said what i siad bc a silver player is complaining when i a bronze player have no probs against a annie. no she doesnt need a re-works, champions like poppy and yorik need them. all the champions never played bc they are not useful at all need the reworks. and you want her to evolve? evolve from what? almost everyone here is saying she is op and needs to be nerfed. if she is "evolved" that would imply improved to be even better there for meaning she would be more broken than what ppl think she is when shes not.

IcyPepperSep 27, 20152 votes

i said what i siad bc a silver player is complaining when i a bronze player have no probs against a annie.

I'm not even saying she's OP...

It's like you didn't even read the conversation at all.

NateThePunkSep 27, 20151 votes

i don't read the conversation at all, elaborate and express your points in detail. (and you did (passively like passive aggressive in a way) say she is op)

IcyPepperSep 27, 20151 votes

Then you completely missed the context, because I kind of explained my point of view.

And I apologize if I came across that way, I don't really find an issue with Annie. I just think a remake would be nice in the long run, but she doesn't need it now. More like eventually. Like years.

Craft ZeppelinSep 27, 20152 votes

you're meant to counter her in pick screen not in game.

Chuck CharlesSep 27, 20152 votes

annie has plenty of counterplay when her flash is down. to beat her in lane you simply call for a gank pre 6 and force her flash to be burned. then you take advantage of this time where she cant flash engage on you. If you cant get gank, you just farm from a distance and wave clear. if annie has to use her W to wave to clear she wont have it up for all in. barrier is also fantastic against her as it negates a lot of her burst which is her main ticket to killing you. if annie fails to kill you its a pretty big deal. if she does she snowballs pretty damn hard. you just have to play defensive and farm up. generally speaking if she can't one shot someone she isnt very useful. she has her stun but if she explodes right after it thats not saying much

Craft ZeppelinSep 27, 20152 votes

Ok please you people, first thing first if youre going midlane one of the minimal requirements is to be able to defuse an annie consistantly. She is notorious for having one of the most boring, yet low learning curves and to top it all short ranged, AND is easilly countered by long-ranged mages. When you said youre getting owned by a annie, its your time to retire mid.

Because every annie is basically the same and anyone can play her.

lostbob117Sep 27, 20152 votes

She has to get in to about 600 range of you to use it. Might as well say that Malzahar's ult has 0 counterplay to it too.

PredatoreSep 27, 20151 votes

yes please

CaythelesSep 27, 20151 votes

Though i do believe her ult is insane, Putting a cast time on her ult would need to be compensated. So maybe like a Bard ult? Give tibbers abit more Range to spawn and the farther you are, the longer it takes and it would give more warning. Or maybe not letting her hold her stun forever. give it the TF treatment?

IAM2FKINGKawaiiSep 27, 20151 votes

Her stun is what needs changing, not Tibbers. If Annie gets 1 kill mid lane that lane is automatically over and there's nothing the other mid laner can do, except cry like a bitch and only get XP from minions dying 500 miles away.

NateThePunkSep 27, 20151 votes

Annie is not op by no means at all. she has alot of weaknesses. yes yes annie is famous for her flash tibbers. lets think about this, flash tibbers. flash has a 5 min cool down, thats 5mins. you have 5 mins of safety. yes i said safety. annie's skills are very short range compared to most mid laners witch you can abuse this and harass her out of her lane. also you know when her stun is up, if its up you keep a margin safety gap away from her. and if you understand how this game works if annie is hiding her stun (has it on 3 stacks and will proc the 4th with e then go in after you with a stun) a good laner will keep count off her using her abilities to know when her stun is basically ready. "tibbers cool down too low" lets take lux as an example. if you know how to play league of legends, you will always be outside her range not to mention lux has a very very very low cool down on her ult as well. q e r and good bye have a nice day, enjoy your vacation. most mid laners always have a adv against annie bc she has no range at all. you need to learn how to abuse this and poke her down and watch her stacks. its not hard at all.

annie as a sup, again she is very short range and very squishy, adcs can get poke from the distance but she can not. so instead of attacking the adc poke annie down to force her out of lane leaving the adc vulnerable. if annies stun is up in a team fight do not bunch up together thats common since, its like bunching up with a sej near with up your just asking to get a 5 man stun.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20151 votes

change 5 minutes to 216 seconds... so 3 and a half minutes which we shorten to 2 and a half since death timers are about a minute long late game. thats not a very long time also remind me again how 625 range on her abilties is "Short range"

NateThePunkSep 27, 20151 votes

If a annie has that much cdr then she doesnt have the ap in 99% of the cases to one hit burst you. early game shes absolutely does not have that low of a cdr. Also i like how the only thing you attacked on my post was only the range. if your going to defend annie being too op you need to counter everything i said in my post above. your silver 4 and im only a bronze, even i know how to destroy annie all day long. once you understand how league of legends works you will understand how easy it is to destroy annie. most mid lane champions have a longer range than annie. if you can not poke her down b4 she can tibbers you, you have a prob with your mechanics and need more practice.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20151 votes

that much cdr? what do you mean? she gets it from her masteries and distortion.

LaserDeathBladeSep 27, 20151 votes

Yeah that'd be reasonable if she didn't shit on a good number of champs with almost no counterplay in lane too

NateThePunkSep 27, 20151 votes

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Yeah that'd be reasonable if she didn't shit on a good number of champs with almost no counterplay in lane too

Ahri ranges - Q = 880, W = 700, E = 975 Azir Ranges - Q = 875, W = 450, E = 2500 (by league website) Brand - Q = 1050, W = 900, E = 625, R = 750

This is only a small example, most mid laners out range annie like she is a joke

Guy Fox TeemoSep 27, 20151 votes

I... I was asking for Annie to have a channel on her ult? Is that to much to ask for a semi long range ability thats aoe,? You can't just "Ignore" her and have "Safety" in the middle of a team fight retard.

NateThePunkSep 27, 20151 votes

a channel would be very very bad and destroy annie. her tibbers basically has to be casted in your face for the stun to go off. if you ever played annie you realize that if you miss that even just barely, you sir are screwed. your stun is now down and even if you shoot your q and w its not enough dmg and your going to get killed. if annie misses its gg for her.

Sightless66Sep 27, 20152 votes

Is that to much to ask for a semi long range ability thats aoe,?

Well..... yeah. Kind of. Reliability is the only unique trait Annie has. Take that away, and she's not worth playing. I can get AoE stuns with damage in a lot of different ways on a lot of champions that have a lot more flexibility than Annie. The only thing she's got over them is that she's very reliable. If she loses that, she's gone.

Guy Fox TeemoSep 27, 20151 votes

Well then she needs a Rework then, her kit doesn't offer any counter to play to it, besides being out of range, which isn't exactly plausible , for the entire game, whether you think it is or not. You can't be out of annie's range forever or she'll just win the game, by zoning everyone out.

Sightless66Sep 27, 20151 votes

I avree. A rework is the only way that will change. You just can't do less than that.

RebonackSep 27, 20151 votes

Annie is a necessary evil in League of Mobility.

If you really want to complain about horrifyingly over-tuned Mages, might I suggest Lux?

For CarthageSep 27, 20151 votes

You mean Lux who has been here just as long as Annie and was only ever deemed a problem recently when she became god-tier after I had already guessed months ago that she would be because of Luden's 10% MS boost which was already a problem at 7% when combined with its additional nuking potential and she was only really pushed into the limelight by the slightest of buffs - being able to immediately explode her E and having her Q do equal damage to the second target?

How is she any more over-tuned than Annie when she has been basically the same since her release with only itemization and QoL changes to affect her standing? She is certainly stronger right now, but that's more due to Luden's exasperating her range advantage by allowing her to maintain it rather than ever letting people close in on her.

Luden's of course benefits Annie a fairly large amount as well by making her short-range generally a moot issue so long as she can dodge long-range skillshots. Which 10% movement speed boost with alacarity enchanted boots can make that the easiest thing on earth to do.

Also, to address your first statement: Annie having a delay on her ult is controlling her ult's atrocious scaling and base damage by taking off a few ticks of Tibbers' aura if they decide to just stun with W or Q and then ult. Her Q can still function as an auto-target stun and her W is still a wide cone she can stun with as well, so using the argument "But but muh mobility creep muh" is generally moot if she's keeping those two abilities unmolested.

bobsenbobSep 27, 20151 votes

can we please just make annie throw tibbers as has been suggested countless times so you can at least flash out or zhonyas?

NateThePunkSep 27, 20151 votes

you can flash away or zhonyas its not that hard if your paying attention to the game. you have a split second to counter it, not to mention the obvious stun ring around her thats saying "hey im going to tibbers stun you"

RebonackSep 27, 20151 votes