I don't normally use champion.gg as a data point...

SwiftKitten88·Nov 2, 2016·2 votes·1,104 views

because it ignores all elos below plat.

but honestly.. http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee

really? even in the highest elos she is bad.. her win right is only surpasses jungle and

and honestly i wouldn't make as big a deal about this if it wasn't for the OTHER jungle changes. after this season i have kind gotten used to . ( i have had to change my clear route 8 times this season alone)

not being able to smite blue for mana before handing it off to mid,, this is something i almost ALWAYS DO. and the removal of "strength of the ages" which is a flat 300 HP nerf to her hp.

which mean i now NEED to go thunderlords, so i also lose "tough skin", "runic armor", "insight" and "swiftness"

so i am starting to become slightly concerned about my main for season 7. granted i haven't tried her on PBE because i don't have an account, but things are starting to look a little sketchy...

11 Comments

Malicious MetalNov 2, 20164 votes

Well, maybe it's because just like Azir she's insanely oppressive and lacks any real exploitable weakness when mastered?

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20161 votes

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Well, maybe it's because just like Azir she's insanely oppressive and lacks any real exploitable weakness when mastered?

she has plenty of weakness when mastered... the only time she doesn't have a weakness is when you have a 5 player team with voice chat and you can set up a CC on a target for her to spear.

which guess what.. teams at LCS and worlds can do..

the VAST majority of her counterplay is NOT getting hit by the spear. and even if you DO get hit by the spear if it isnt a max rage up spear she wont be a 100/0 you.. and if you have more than 3k hp.. even a max range spear wont let her 100/0 you.

if you are CCed and she can land a max spear on you. that's when all her counterplay goes out the window.. but nidalee has ZERO forms of CC by herself... so as long as she is alone.. she HAS counterplay. but when a 5 man team of worlds with every champ expect nidalee having CC all with voice chat.. any time she comes to gank... they are goign to CC your target long enough for her to land a spear. and therefore pretty much remove her biggest weakness.

SithesisLordNov 2, 20161 votes

the VAST majority of her counterplay is NOT getting hit by the spear.

And ever since the projectile recoding, her spears are even more difficult to hit due to the hitbox being incredibly thin.

SwiftKitten88Nov 3, 20161 votes

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And ever since the projectile recoding, her spears are even more difficult to hit due to the hitbox being incredibly thin.

meh, well they are easier to dodge for sure... i wouldn't say more difficult to hit with though, overall i like it better... being thinner makes it a LOT easier to hit someone when you try to land a spear on a target between minions. but that proably has more to do with me having over 1000 nidalee games and landing a skillshot for me is easier than a point and click spell...

Colgate MinuetteNov 2, 20161 votes

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she has plenty of weakness when mastered... the only time she doesn't have a weakness is when you have a 5 player team with voice chat and you can set up a CC on a target for her to spear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_QEUtWv-tM

cough

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20161 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_QEUtWv-tM

cough

cough

lol you want to see a video of impossible nidalee plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNRMdzUSjGk

and i commented on the video as well

i main nidalee,with over 1000 wins on her i have have seen alot of these montages.. i frequetly watch a challenger main nid steam. but this montage puts even him to shame. every single play i saw there was LCS quality. these kind of play DON'T HAPPEN. every single play was executed with 100% precision had had ZERO room for error and a high amount of luck.

i dont know how long it took you to find this many freaking amazing nid plays. trust me as a nid main when i say this.. no one but and professional player who makes a living off playing league can pull those plays off. those were unreal.

and i already stated this from the start.. but wow.. if i didnt know that these plays are 99.9% impossible to do i would also say "nid OP". but wow im am truly impressed. if i could make 1 nid play like that once in my lifetime id be happy

the point is you can show me as many videos as you want, i know what a NORMAL nidalee play is, and i know what is a 1 in a million nidalee play.

N PelosiNov 2, 20162 votes

It's almost like an endless mobility, ranged, poke, burst, assassin mage is a bad design.

Nidalee simply has an overloaded kit that she is virtually impossible to balance with. They try to nerf her and she just switches it up and still comes out annoying as fuck. From nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic spear launch platform, to ad/Triforce/tank top laner, back to ap jungler, she's never been in a healthy state.

She just needs a full blown rework.

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20161 votes

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It's almost like an endless mobility, ranged, poke, burst, assassin mage is a bad design.

Nidalee simply has an overloaded kit that she is virtually impossible to balance with. They try to nerf her and she just switches it up and still comes out annoying as fuck. From nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic spear launch platform, to ad/Triforce/tank top laner, back to ap jungler, she's never been in a healthy state.

She just needs a full blown rework.

she has been in a balanced state

patch 4.17 to patch 5.2 right after her rework's final tweaks but BEFORE they threw her into the jungle.

she has a 50% winrate in ALL elos... top and mid, and a 48% support.

warpenguin555Nov 2, 20161 votes

Honestly Riot just needs to kick her out of the jungle. Nidalee has had nerf after nerf after nerf and she still is always a top priority jungler and is still just as oppressive as before. I think the only option is to kill nidalee jungle and then buff her up to let her go top or mid.

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20161 votes

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Honestly Riot just needs to kick her out of the jungle. Nidalee has had nerf after nerf after nerf and she still is always a top priority jungler and is still just as oppressive as before. I think the only option is to kill nidalee jungle and then buff her up to let her go top or mid.

direct 4.17 revert would be my dream.

Critmaster GarenNov 2, 20161 votes

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because it ignores all elos below plat.

thats why its the most trustworthy source.

why do low divisions matter for champion balance? game balance at that level of play is by far overshadowed by individual mistakes. both strategic and mechanical.

trying to balance around bronze and silver is trying to fight windmills.