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Why do AP support get to start with so much AP?

SwiftKitten88·Aug 13, 2018·1 votes·667 views

i am making thread AS a person who is secondary support and who plays mains and in that role (with as well)

when i jungle as my actaul main role.. i get to have 20 ap...

yet wheh im supporting i get 30? WHY

that should be the other way around.

there is no reason i should have 30 AP as support at lvl 1

on a mid lanerand a jungler it is essential to have that.. but on a support? why?

shouldnt give any ap and if it does maybe only 5 is fine at 20 and this piece of garbage should have 60-70 to at least make it worthy buying before u finish your 5th item

why on earth would i pay 800 gold for 15 ap and 200 hp? to upgrade to that POS from

i mean sure is like 115% gold efficient.. but is about 165% gold efficient... becuase get got 800 gold sightstone tacked on for ZERO reason

its literally a complete waste of gold to upgrade that when u could be building core items

you want me to pay that 400 gold for the sightstone active on when i already got it for FREE on .

not happening bro..

but back on topic...

why on earth do we as support start with 30 AP?

15? sure... 20? sure... 25... thats pushing it... but THIRTY? .. umm no..

damage creep.. we don't need that.

and no i dont have any idea how to fix the jungler issue unless u add 10 ap to which would then somehow get removed when upgrading to non runic echo's? idk... who knows... but we certainly dont need it as support EARLY game...

later on i want to deal damage... give me some INCENTIVE to upgrade to andf not just 800 gold for 200 hp and 15 ap

when that same 800 gold could be going toward my next core item

8 Comments

DrCyanideAug 13, 20181 votes

item 1056 = 15 AP item 3303 = 10 AP item 1041 = 0 AP item 1039 = 0 AP

It's not that Supports have "so much starting AP", it's that Junglers have so little.

SwiftKitten88Aug 13, 20181 votes

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= 15 AP = 10 AP = 0 AP = 0 AP

It's not that Supports have "so much starting AP", it's that Junglers have so little.

well item 1041 should haven't any ap... but item 1039 should have 10..

and maybe they can keep that 10 on cinderhulk too. i know some ap jungle would like that.. but i dont see why blood razor or warrior would want.

OtterlyLostAug 13, 20181 votes

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well should haven't any ap... but should have 10..

and maybe they can keep that 10 on cinderhulk too. i know some ap jungle would like that.. but i dont see why blood razor or warrior would want.

By that logic, every jungle item would have to give 10 AP. .-. Besides, its not just AP champions who take Talismen. Unless they changed it, Talisman was taken on AOE clear junglers and junglers who have mana sustain issues.

Hell, by your logic, Machete should have 7 AD. :/

As for why supports have more AP than midlaners, I know I tend to start with more AP because I tend to go down inspiration to get CDR and biscuits and that just gives pure AP.

MrFawknSunshineAug 13, 20181 votes

and this is why even AP junglers/ TANK Junglers took AS RUNES to help clear jungle. YOU DONT NEED AP TO CLEAR CAMPS

having ap dont clear any faster in jungle at start of game. having bonus damage to monsters and attack speed or ad does part of why ap junglers/tank junglers are always/usually 2nd class to ad junglers

SwiftKitten88Aug 13, 20181 votes

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and this is why even AP junglers/ TANK Junglers took AS RUNES to help clear jungle. YOU DONT NEED AP TO CLEAR CAMPS

having ap dont clear any faster in jungle at start of game. having bonus damage to monsters and attack speed or ad does part of why ap junglers/tank junglers are always/usually 2nd class to ad junglers

tell that to Fiddlesticks im sure he is really interested in listening to your explanation.

stop taking out of your ass... SOME ap jungler took AS speed runes.. not all of them

MrFawknSunshineAug 13, 20181 votes

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tell that to im sure he is really interested in listening to your explanation.

stop taking out of your ass... SOME ap jungler took AS speed runes.. not all of them

talking out my ass?

wow way to be friendly.

fiddle need cdr and blue buff start to clear not ap.

SwiftKitten88Aug 13, 20181 votes

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talking out my ass?

wow way to be friendly.

fiddle need cdr and blue buff start to clear not ap.

yes.. saying AP junglers dont need AP for their clear is "talking out of your ass"

of course they bloody need AP for their clear.

u know who DON'T need AP to start with? SUPPORTS!!

I PLAY AP SUPPORT!

i am LITERALLY asking for a nerf to my own champions.

those being my 2nd a 3rd favorite champions

and im doing this because it would make the game healthier. rather than let me abuse something to my own advantage.

and you go out and say "AP jungles dont need AP to clear"

why the hell do u think half the ap junglers in the game are in a complete shit spot..

because they cant clear fast enough without ap..

my own jungler.. she CAN clear fast enough but only because of both celerity and waterwalking combined with her passive.

so i can effective have 28 ap rather than 20, which is what makes my clear doable

but other ap junglers dont get that. and they CAN'T clear fast enough.

MrFawknSunshineAug 13, 20181 votes

jungle monster dont even have magic resist you arent spaming abilities early clears to kill them most of it is killed via auto attacks.

to say other wise is wrong. as someone who has played the game since season 2 this was the case.

typical rune page for AP junglers was AP quints, AS reds, ARMOR yellows, and CDR Blues so you started with 15 ap from runes. maybe a bit more from masteries but not alot.

supports dont have to have ap to do their job, except for so called mage supports like brand/zyra janna,raka,sona,lulu,nami, etc can support with out ap. so coin can still be an option starting off

starting ap jungle with 10 ap from runes with a item 1039 which increases mana regen in jungle is fine. you should build into item 1402 item 1414 with item 3675 asap and with the ap jungle item and the ap from runes you have 90 ap and that is fine and more then what supports have.

Nidalee not having more ap at start of game isnt the reason why she isnt meta. there are Evelynn Taliyah jungle who are meta and kicking as as ap junglers.

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