Why does Ekko even have a passive on W

Hibeki·Jul 30, 2016·3 votes·467 views

Despite the nerfs, ekko is just as relevant as ever and has even more burst damage.

Why does W even have a passive? It doesnt fit his theme, the ability, his kit, nothing, it's just extra damage he has for absolutely zero reason

If you want to nerf him PROPERLY, You'd nerf the passive.

an 80% ap ratio on a passive (what?) AND a 60% slow AND an 80% movespeed boost.

I'm fairly sure that's the biggest damage passive, slow passive, and movement speed passive in the entire game.

Not to mention he has more burst damage then FUCKING ANNIE

Ekko burst damage (not even counting W passive): 1040 + 350% AP Annie burst damage (one tibbers dot and basic, not counting E) 950 + 255%

Ekko has more damage than annie, yet still has a revive ult, an escape/gapcloser, two slows, and a movement speed boost.

Do you not see a problem here?

8 Comments

JayblazeJul 30, 20162 votes

Hi Hebiki,

i will respond to all your questions. Ekko's last nerfs were on his base stats, exclusively to nerf the tank Ekko build. Riot said that when they designed Ekko, they wanted him to be an assassin. But these nerfs were making ekko worst either tank or assassin, so they increased the ap ratios on his spells, making assassin ekko, their goal, more rewarding than building him tank and buildhim tank close to useless. Also, now tank ekko falls off quite quickly. They also nerfed his W(the stun duration and the W passive damage). The nerfs made his early game way weaker, so its harder to get kills in laning phase and now you have to play ekko mid cautiously. So, no, hes not as relevant as ever, he was way stronger a few months ago.

Basically, his kit is strong because he is designed to be a squishy assassin. Assassins are by definition mobile and quick killers. Therefore, building him tank was broken because he has decent cc and good mobility, making him able to tank and dodge a lot of things and live forever in fights. The ability to dodge effectively some spells is for assassins, because they are squishy and need to make their way to their target without dying.

Now what is the relation between ekko's w having a passive and ekko's theme as a champion? What make you say that his w having a passive doesnt fit his theme? The reason why he has that, is because hes an ap melee assassin. Ap champions barely do any damage with their basic attacks but have strong bursts with their spells. You might have observed ( though im not sure if you actually do) that ekkos spells, besides his ult, do peanut damage. When ekko deals damage, its when he procs his passive, basically when he is hugging you and pretty fking vulnerable. So Ekko's W gives him strong basic attacks to reward him when he fights melee range, when hes dueling. As you can see, he doesnt have a passive on his w for no reason.

an 80% ap ratio on a passive (what?) AND a 60% slow AND an 80% movespeed boost.

As mentionned above, his passive is his main source of damage. Also mentionned above, this slow and this ms boost because he is designed to be played as an ap assassin. Assassins are meant to be sneaky

I'm fairly sure that's the biggest damage passive, slow passive, and movement speed passive in the entire game.

See above

Not to mention he has more burst damage then FUCKING ANNIE

Ekko burst damage (not even counting W passive): 1040 + 350% AP Annie burst damage (one tibbers dot and basic, not counting E) 950 + 255%

Ekko has more damage than annie, yet still has a revive ult, an escape/gapcloser, two slows, and a movement speed boost.

FKING ANNIE is a mage, not an assassin

AstôlfoJul 30, 20161 votes

He was meant to be an assassin, hence the missing health scaling. And Ekko is fine as he is right now, stop whining. Tank Ekko was the only problem about him, and that got neutered.

AP Ekko's alright. Not strong. But not that good either. Also, he's not even like an assassin like he was meant to be. His entire kit suggests he's more like a dueler/skirmisher/fighter/whatever. His kit literally encourages extended duels with a 3 hit passive, slow projectile Q, delayed AoE stun on his W, his E to help kite around, and his ult to return and heal up if necessary.

HibekiJul 30, 20161 votes

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He was meant to be an assassin, hence the missing health scaling. And Ekko is fine as he is right now, stop whining. Tank Ekko was the only problem about him, and that got neutered.

AP Ekko's alright. Not strong. But not that good either. Also, he's not even like an assassin like he was meant to be. His entire kit suggests he's more like a dueler/skirmisher/fighter/whatever. His kit literally encourages extended duels with a 3 hit passive, slow projectile Q, delayed AoE stun on his W, his E to help kite around, and his ult to return and heal up if necessary.

I would hardly consider tank ekko being neutered. It got hurt from the changes to the item, but go play him and you'll see that it really didnt change that much

AstôlfoJul 30, 20162 votes

I mean you can play Tank Ekko. He's not good. This pertains to people who are actually good at the game and know how to play. If you play Tank Ekko against those people, they will also know how to play against him. And with his nerfs, he will not have a good time at all.

LordGeovanniJul 30, 20161 votes

act like its right that an assassin isnt designed like an assassin but still has assassin burst but very strong utility for an assassin

AstôlfoJul 30, 20161 votes

Uh, no. He was meant to be an assassin. Was designed nothing like an assassin. Doesn't have anywhere close to assassin burst. Has strong utility because he's nothing like an assassin.

LordGeovanniJul 30, 20161 votes

you basically said what i said but said that he doesnt have assassin burst as if you have never been hit by his passive or e before or the true damage return on his q

AstôlfoJul 30, 20162 votes

First of all, his passive is a 3-hit proc. Also, it does not do that much damage without a lot of AP. E by itself doesn't do that much without either a ton of AP or Sheen proc. And his return Q is not true damage, are you drunk?