Ashe's main reason to be picked has become irrelevant in 2019

D357R0Y3R·Apr 20, 2019·6 votes·2,004 views

Literally used to pick ashe in 2012/2013 for her permaslow that was strong against melee champions, so if they had 2 or 3 melees, you picked ashe and had a greater chance to win than other adcs.

but then EVERY SINGLE ADC that gets released is anti-melee, just list me one adc that has a hard time dealing with melee champions I tried, and I would think of possibly jinx, varus, kog and that's it

Lucian? mobile af Kalista? same Jhin? is permaghosted Xayah? has bonus movement speed, ult, and her E deals more damage the closer the enemies are to her Kai'sa? Jesus

the permaslow doesn't matter anymore, you don't need it when you have other tools + better damage than ashe

14 Comments

SaezioApr 20, 201910 votes

Ashe's reason to be picked is her Utility and engage potential. Not her slow. She is not anti-melee. In fact one of her greatest weaknesses is her being immobile as fuck...

Abibyama IIApr 20, 20192 votes

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D357R0Y3RApr 20, 20193 votes

engage potential? Pick sivir then, 100% better engage, or pick kalista her ult is even more reliable to engage than ashe

"utility" , her utiltiy is mainly the slow, she also gives vision like kalista and quinn but you don't pick an adc because "hey she can give vision!"

SaezioApr 20, 20197 votes

The E and the R are the exact reasons she is picked in pro. One E can scout half the jungle without a semblance of risk, quin and kalista can't do that. Her R is one of the few spells that can win a game just like that if you know how to make it invisible.

You really think Ashe is picked in pro for her kiting ability? like....seriously? Who can she kite? Only the people with 0 movement abilities and only during their flash downtime.

Ashe is a "supportive" adc that needs someone else to carry the game while she is doing MANY other things. She is extremely valuable, but relies on a coordinated team to be effective.

D357R0Y3RApr 20, 20191 votes

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The E and the R are the exact reasons she is picked in pro.

No, the reason she's picked in pro is because she does fine against a lot of match ups and THAT'S IT, proplay players don't go "we need vision against enemy jungler pick ashe" else ashe would be 100%pick/ban

Her R is one of the few spells that can win a game just like that if you know how to make it invisible.

No it can't, it can be easily bodyblockable, and in organized play if someone gets ulted, they will protect him with ccs and stuff like braum E If you need engage, Sivir ult combined with a tank running at 700 ms is better

You really think Ashe is picked in pro for her kiting ability? like....seriously?

it used to be like that in the past, now you just pick ashe if you can use her to beat some match ups

Who can she kite? Only the people with 0 movement abilities and >only during their flash downtime.

Let's say you're jax, and you jump on ashe, if you don't instantly kill her her team will cc you, and then you will NOT move at all for the rest of the time and your jump comes back after 4 second, during that time you will die by everyone focusing you

the only one ashe can't kite are hypermobile bruisers, but if said bruiser has 1 movement ability it won't change anything against ashe in 5v5 where her team protects her

SaezioApr 20, 20192 votes

Is Jax's team not in the game too? What kind of scenario is this? Being able to kite means being able to kite in a 1v1 scenario 2v2 tops, not being able to kite with 3-4 people being there for you. What if jax has an ezreal ADC on his team? WQER the ashe in the jax stun and ashe is gone.

Ashe wouldn't be picked in pro if her E and R wasn't so EXCEPTIONAL for pro play. And her R does create cross-map plays, if LCK people don't dodge it 100% of the time it means soloq will dodge it <30% of the time. And it doesn't even show if it's inside terrain.

D357R0Y3RApr 20, 20191 votes

Ashe wouldn't be picked in pro if her E and R wasn't so EXCEPTIONAL for pro play.

She would 100%, she's the only hard counter to lucian, the only way lucian wins lane against her is through jungle pressure

is Jax's team not in the game too?

what exactly are you refering to? that the jax has 4 other divers with him? Because else I don't see anything happening

SaezioApr 20, 20193 votes

I am saying that if the jax has a plan and he is not suiciding 1v5 he has 4 other people doing something or else he would be splitting. I mean if jax has a botlane of Morgana and jinx for example, the ashe is toast. If he has an alistar diving with him, the same. If he has a midlane swain or galio, the same If he has a Vi, lee jungle the same. I seriously don't see any way that a Jax that is not stupid, manages to jump on an ashe and doesn't kill her.

If in your example the jax is unable to be helped by his team, wtf example is that? xD And also, if he is jumping 1v5, what other ADC would die in that scenario? Kiting has nothing to do with it. An exceptional kiter is Kalista for example, or kai'sa

Fízz v2Apr 20, 20191 votes

Tbf they did give her the Q and passive extra damage so her slow cant really be as good anymore i guess

Sir SaltarinApr 20, 20192 votes

But she's still cute

D357R0Y3RApr 20, 20192 votes

fact, she's the coolest adc in the game

Shrek LuigiApr 20, 20192 votes

her R alone makes her a good pick, makes her stupid difficult to 1v1, and can really mess up a team in fights.

also, volley is also one of the better pokes as far as ADCs go imo

OtterlyLostApr 20, 20191 votes

Why are we crying about Ashe when she has the fifth highest ADC winrate as a champion whose entire niche was to be a utility carry? Why are we crying about ADCs in general? They're in a fine spot. Most of the roster, for once in forever, is sitting at a 50% winrate. Even Varus, who was struggling for a long time, is now at a 49%. Even Ezreal and Lucian feel fine to me as, even though they have massive pick rates, their winrate isn't absurd.

Just leave ADCs alone. The only one that I believe could use tuning is Vayne. The rest are fine.