And straight up just dps me down with “poke.” Why is it that Akali can literally bully Olaf, Renekton, etc? You don’t even have to play this champion, she is so damn fail-safe. That wouldn’t bother me so much if she didn’t have the capacity to not only win lane, but dominate it with ease. This champion needs to be deleted and just start over.
Infernape6 votesBecause when CertainlyT made her, he didn't realise the difference between assassin (her ultimate) and DPS fighter/bruiser (her passive and Q).
50CaliberHecate6 votesOk but like she's been completely nerfed to the ground at this point that you're legit asking to basically remove her ability to auto. No q heal, no obscurity, no stun, and completely gutted ult dmg. Like legit loved her design so much but Riot has destroyed her.
HateDaddy1 votesOk but like she's been completely nerfed to the ground at this point that you're legit asking to basically remove her ability to auto. No q heal, no obscurity, no stun, and completely gutted ult dmg. Like legit loved her design so much but Riot has destroyed her.
No revert her last nerfs, and actually nerf her lane phase instead.
BLACK REALM GOD5 votesOk but like she's been completely nerfed to the ground at this point that you're legit asking to basically remove her ability to auto. No q heal, no obscurity, no stun, and completely gutted ult dmg. Like legit loved her design so much but Riot has destroyed her.
not riot. the community. the community destroyed her. right loaded the gun and the community pulled the trigger.
Jinzo Torrance10 votesCan you guys please stop acting like Akali hasn't been a broken pick/ban champ in pro games and high elo for the whole season? Thanks
Champ has only got joke nerfs for a year now
Prestige AkaIi1 votesHmm, removal of stealth under turret. Joke Nerf.
Removal of "true stealth." Joke Nerf.
Removal of extending shroud time when reentering. Joke Nerf.
Removal of Heal on Q. Joke Nerf.
Just this patch, removal of her microstun and upping her ult CD to almost 3 min at level 1. Ha! Joke Nerf.
Halving her Passive Damage. Joke Nerf.
I guess it's not a real nerf until they cut off one of her legs or something. :/
She's gotten tons of strong fucking nerfs. Can you guys please stop acting like Akali hasn't been getting consistently nerfed because of pro games and high elo for the whole season?
Velzard of Koz2 votesThe community didn't design her.
BecaliRules3 votesthe design doesnt work.Its way too op, has way too many ways to escape/poke/all-in.The way champions work in fights is they are either high damage but then they get out of the fight or low damage but very tanky and can do dps in a teamfight and peel for the main carry.Well akali can spend a lot of time in a fight while also dealing tons of damage, and if she gets fed there is almost no way to shut her down if the player is decent on her
The thigh guy1 votesOk but like she's been completely nerfed to the ground at this point that you're legit asking to basically remove her ability to auto. No q heal, no obscurity, no stun, and completely gutted ult dmg. Like legit loved her design so much but Riot has destroyed her.
Except the problem is her kit itself. So it doesn’t matter how much you nerf her.
50CaliberHecate3 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1tqgeKWu,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2019-09-14T20:55:56.160+0000)
Except the problem is her kit itself. So it doesn’t matter how much you nerf her.
But it's not tho. Her kit is fine, players just don't know how to fight her. Distance counters her q, pink counters her w, zhonyas counters her E and her R. Like, it's so simple. Not to mention, take one single MR item on any bruiser and she's fucked. The issue isn't he kitr in any way, it's people thinking they have to be able to kill to win, when objectives should be higher priority.
The thigh guy1 votesBut it's not tho. Her kit is fine, players just don't know how to fight her. Distance counters her q, pink counters her w, zhonyas counters her E and her R. Like, it's so simple. Not to mention, take one single MR item on any bruiser and she's fucked. The issue isn't he kitr in any way, it's people thinking they have to be able to kill to win, when objectives should be higher priority.
No. Requiring you to have 2 different items and not engage her is lack of counterplay.
Every other champion has 1 item that makes them less useful. Ex - Malz and qss.
Not to mention. Akali’s problem is, SHE dictates everything. The other player has zero say in anything with her there.
50CaliberHecate1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1tqgeKWu,comment-id=0001000300000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T22:13:30.468+0000)
No. Requiring you to have 2 different items and not engage her is lack of counterplay.
Every other champion has 1 item that makes them less useful. Ex - Malz and qss.
Not to mention. Akali’s problem is, SHE dictates everything. The other player has zero say in anything with her there.
"Every other champion has 1 item that makes them less useful" that is not true at all.
I can't think of one item that could completely counter these champions.
There are several champions who don't have items designated to counter them and saying "Zhonyas" to everyone I could possibly list is a poor excuse and can be just as argued for against Akali. She doesn't dictate anything unless she lands her E. If you can't dodge one skill shot, then that's not the champions fault. That's like arguing that Lux's kit is an issue because she lands 1 q and you insta-die to her Q+E+R combo, you didn't dodge Lux's q.
Also, the whole point of building items in this game is to counterplay people. If you lack a tank on your team to go against an Akali or your players don't choose to CC her, then your entire team of squishy champs is probably gonna die. Top lane was meant for tanks/bruisers... not this current bs where ADCS and AP mages are topping. It's part of the reason the meta is so ridiculous.
Also, she is an assassin, if you are soloing against her, you are likely to die. The assassins main focus is to flank the enemy back line (Squishy champions), and if you have no front line while facing her in lane, you have a less likely chance to win trades.
What will be solution to her kit, even without removing her R STUN, Obscurity, or her q heal is to remove the extended range on her passive and the movement speed she receives when it activates. That's the only thing in her kit that I see problematic.
MetalStaszek1 votes"Every other champion has 1 item that makes them less useful" that is not true at all.
Yasuo is heavily countered by randuin, Cho is countered by warmog and together with sion is vulnerable to botrk and bloodrazor Warmog is also good against pyke If you fight red kayn, then grievous wounds counter him, if blue you counter him the same way you fight zed talon, etc (phantom dancer, sterak, and other anti assasin items) About ezreal, he is hybrid, like akali, so its hard to itemize against him, but I'd say deadmans works good against him
Weiss Guertena5 votesAh yes, Akali spamming her Q (spamming means "using it two times before she's out of energy" in this situation) for amazing 25-125 base damage per cast is certainly more than enough to bully out Renekton or Olaf. Seriously, just E-Q in her general direction as Renekton and you'll deal more damage in return and also heal up a chunk of what you received.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesso... akali first time in ranked is a valid strategy? just so we're clear here
PhearBunny2 votesbecause, modernized champions are meant to have no weaknessess and be incredibly overloaded. That has been Riots approach for a few years now. Make everything hyperoverloaded, because if everyone is broken, no-one is broken.
mack91122 votesShe has been nerfed right into the ground.
If you can’t solo kill her as renekton then you need to adjust your play style same with Olaf.
Tailypo1 votesShe has been nerfed right into the ground.
If you can’t solo kill her as renekton then you need to adjust your play style same with Olaf.
^^ You've never bullied a real renekton with Akali. The lane goes something like Hexdrinker > farming you under your tower at 6. Dominating with ease lmao??
50CaliberHecate3 votesShe has been nerfed right into the ground.
If you can’t solo kill her as renekton then you need to adjust your play style same with Olaf.
Right? Like... legit, 1 MR item and you basically have no issues against her? The issue with half the people saying she's to strong is that they don't play League in general properly. The object of the game is not to kill the enemy, it's to destroy the enemy base, however most players in lower elo want to go full ham and then get tilted when one little thing steps out of line and they die.
Fuck, I take Ahri against her almost every time she's in game and have won almost every match up. Pink + Charm + Ult when she ults... Countered.
mack91122 votesRight? Like... legit, 1 MR item and you basically have no issues against her? The issue with half the people saying she's to strong is that they don't play League in general properly. The object of the game is not to kill the enemy, it's to destroy the enemy base, however most players in lower elo want to go full ham and then get tilted when one little thing steps out of line and they die.
Fuck, I take Ahri against her almost every time she's in game and have won almost every match up. Pink + Charm + Ult when she ults... Countered.
People will always deflect there own problems.
‘ I lost against riven top ‘ it can’t possibly be that I played the situation wrong it HAS to be that the champion is broken.
Like give me a break
preternatural2 votescan't lower the dmg on her Q it's already low enough can't increase the energy cost it's already high enough lowering the cooldown turns akali into kennen 2.0 where now she literally does not have energy in concept and will just E away from everything instead of even attempting to interact with her E. it's stuck the way it is until someone clever comes up with something.
maybe, give it a charge up, longer hold means more throwing distance on the Q, shorter hold (because someone walked into mellee) grants extra dmg? energy cost is teh same for both uses. cooldown refund is the same for both uses.
Kanzler1 votesThat would make her so clunky
preternatural2 votesThat would make her so clunky
then her Q is what it is and there aren't gonna be better solutions.
Kanzler2 votesPretty bold of you to assume that no one can think of a better solution than your own.
preternatural1 votesPretty bold of you to assume that no one can think of a better solution than your own.
no, i don't see a better solution to her Q than what she currently has. i've already told you why the cd shouldn't be increased. etc. what do you want to do with her Q?
Kanzler1 votesHer Q is fine. I think Akali's main problem is that she is designed to have a really slow kill time for an assassin. However, because she is squishy too, they needed to give her a lot of all-around damage and utility to make her viable in average play.
Personally, I would change her R1 to be targeted, but only damage the target. Additionally, move some damage from R2 to R1. That increases her single target pressure and reduces her aoe damage.
50CaliberHecate1 votesHer Q is fine. I think Akali's main problem is that she is designed to have a really slow kill time for an assassin. However, because she is squishy too, they needed to give her a lot of all-around damage and utility to make her viable in average play.
Personally, I would change her R1 to be targeted, but only damage the target. Additionally, move some damage from R2 to R1. That increases her single target pressure and reduces her aoe damage.
Her only issue in my opinion is the movement speed buff she gets from her passive. When she leaves the ring, she jumps up almost 100 more movement speed. That sets her to boots standard where she's able to constantly poke the enemy with ease. Her heal in her q, shroud obsure, or ult stun was not the issue.
Kanzler1 votesShe still needs to break the ring to proc the passive. It's part of her design to weave in and out.
Without the movement speed, it would be extremely difficult to proc unless the circle diameter was reduced to compensate.
Varkul2 votesNot saying Akali isn't broken or straight up dumb to fight especially if the Akali player is really good... But pretty sure Akali can only "spam" Q about two times then either waste shroud or sit around for energy to build.
KFCeytron2 votesHer shroud should end when she leaves it or attacks, so it's consistent with the way stealth works for every other champion.
Mc Raton2 votesAnything without ressource is a pain in the ass in terms of balance…
Most of the list still cause problems and some were problematic in the past until they get nerfed to the ground… think Gnar being insta picked every LCS game or shen being too dominant because of Ult play etc... not all of them are problems at the moments but some remain… It's time Riot understand that in game health standpoint… no ressource is not healthy.
iiGazeii1 votesShe needs less burst and more sustain. Akali currently straddles the line between assassin and skirmisher, and the extreme safety of her shroud simply is not balance-able on an assassin. Akali has too much mobility and burst to be a true skirmisher, yet the iconic things about her kit are the things that don't belong on an assassin. Being a squishy champion with a powerful defensive tool that lets you stand in teamfights and chase your targets to the ends of the earth is what skirmishers do, not assassins.
Nerf her Q damage and increase the cooldown (2 seconds?), but have her passive-empowered autos give her more energy and a small heal. Make her R1 targeted, but bring back the stun and let her hold the button to vault up to 300 units past the target, even at max range.
Boom. Akali is a skirmisher. Her burst would be much lower, but she'd have much more sustained damage. She'd need to commit to auto attacking and weaving in and out of her passive circles to keep dealing damage, but it would take her much longer to run out of gas. Having her R1 be targeted with the extra vault forces her to use it as an engage only, but it lines up a perfect Q for her. She would be a mobile and persistent attacker that could chase down a single target forever.
SammyDayspring1 votesAnother rework failure. She is too safe. They nerfed her ult, but that isn't where the problem is. She should be high risk high reward, but instead even bad players can pop off on her.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesShe's 200 IQ design that's why
FSRER1 votesBecause when I play any melee champion I have to rely on 2 RNG features, minions not blocking me and pathing not screwing me over while Akali who is almost always sped up from Q and passive, doesn't rely on them. It sounds weird but if every champion had the same minion hitbox (not getting blocked) then Akali would be legit less powerful
