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I have a complaint about last whisper

Trash MammaI··2 votes·500 views

Just played a really long and annoying game that I lost in ranked. It was a gg so I can't really say anything about it besides typical stupid silvers, but in the game I was

Darius with item 3110 item 3512 item 3156 item 3265 item 3083 item 3068 and as I caught this MF out late game who's only armor pen item was LW managed to rape my hp in less than 3 seconds (note this is like 50+ minutes into the game so level/items dont matter since everyone is full on all) She didn't even have a bork in her items. (Before someone comments on zzrot the item was helping us far too much that we lasted even that long)

I know Riot doesn't want tanks being unkillable but there's no reason for tanks to be dying as fast as they are. Yes, I know a lot of retards think it's the tank meta just because tank JUNGLERS got a buff with cinderhulk but it's not. Also I can throw into this the other details like the 1 AA I got from a minion or the fact she kited me a bit before I got her etc. my complaint isn't about dying though. It's how fast I died.

300 - 35% = 195 if I did the math right. Let that sink in. ONE item. Just knocked away 105 armor. If i'm not mistaken a full tank that isn't building only armor items will about around the 200-300's as far as armor go, most probably the 200's.

300 armor melted down to 195 due to a single item that's complete bullcrap. LW needs it's armor pen toned down to 25% and maybe raise the base damage on it if anything make it a melee only item. It's one thing to be getting a huge drop of armor by having it on a ranged champion? Seriously?

Let us not forget the person with LW has a team. Ok, so LW is an issue I should get more armor/hp to counter it. That leaves me open to a ton of damage from magic to the point I wont seem like a tank.

item 3135 If I have 200-300 armor there's no way my magic resist is in the 300's and probably around 250 or so. 250 - 35% = 162 or so MR. This would mean that for building appropriate and being a tank i'm being punished. (I didn't even mention liandrys or sorc boots)

Honestly, it's dumb how bad penetration is in this game. A tank is something defined as a largely durable object (really a vehicle everything else is just a figure of speech) In most games the tank doesn't really deal any reasonable damage but takes it and survives a long time relying on their team to kill.

Lasting 3 seconds in a 1v1 fight ISN'T being a tank that's how long I would expect a bruiser to last. AT LEAST 10 seconds is how long I expect a tank to last. Yes, you have those over the top tanks like sej or amumu or sion who either deal a shit ton of damage for a tank or have so much god damn cc that you can't even move if hit by one. I get that, but not every tank is like that.

Back on topic: Last whisper, rather penetration as a whole needs to be nerfed. Especially if you're going to continue to allow the master race of marksman to have it, along with a %max hp item.

6 Comments

disregardable3 votes

Two things.

  1. If you lost to MF in a 1v1 as Darius at any point in the game, it is because you were bad. It doesn't matter if you were well fed, the same, or underfed.

  2. Resistances have extremely impactful diminishing returns. I know it sounds like you lost 1/3rd of your armor when you went from 300 armor to 200 armor, but in reality you went from like 75% damage mitigation to 66%. It does not make sense to stack much more than 200 armor. If you really wanted to not waste your gold, you should've gotten Cleaver instead of Frozen Heart.

AyRe CoNteMpT3 votes

more than two things:

  1. darius is not a tank regardless of his build. tanking damage in league does not work via items, it works via abilities. you can be a tank nautilus because you can absorb damage with your shield and prevent enemies from even dealing damage with your other abilities to a degree. that is what makes a champ a tank.

  2. you didnt build to kill vayne AT ALL. like in your entire itemset there is only one item that helps with killing vayne, and that is frozen heart and its not like free out of jail card against her. if you want to kill the adc, like if that is your JOB in that specific game (or kill any other squishy) then you would have to build damage. your build is good for basically nothing on darius, there is no benefit. a very strong build for killing squishies in teamfight with flashhook and for dueling in general would be hydra, bloodthirster, trinity, randuins, frozen mallet. in that order to be strong in every stage of the game. boots depending on the enemy team ofcourse, but if you plan on dueling vayne, ninja tabi would be mandatory.

  3. defense is cheaper than damage but doesnt stack up as good. buying one defense item of every class (MR/Armor) is absolutely sufficient and should only be succeeded in numbers if you HAVE to go in first in order to start a fight. like if there is no way to let the enemies come to you or kite back. then you can buy more than one armor item. offense is the best defense. would you rather like to stun a person for 2 seconds or kill him?

like, even if you want to be really tanky, hydra first on darius is almost a must in every matchup (or giants belt, tiamat, boots, hydra, something like that if neccessary) not because he sucks with other items but because its just SO GOOD. ive seen darius go randuins tabi first to tank enemy adc with crippling strike and it works good, but with full builds, there is no way anyone can tank a full damage champ with damage amplifying abilities like vayne. you can only either kill her or disable her attacks, but never take them.

its very good the game is build that way.

OhthePiplup1 votes

Maybe, *maybe * it needs an armor pen nerf but for real? "Only on melee". This item is 95% used for adcs who need to have armor pen. That change would destroy the game in the fact that adcs cannot fight tanks and melees would reign supreme. Most melees can get black cleaver, and if not black cleaver THEY CAN GET LW TOO.

This item is in an ok spot.

BluePolarizer2 votes

ADCs don't need armor pen. I believe a 2nd IE adds more damage than a LW against targets with less than 300 armor or something. The only champs who can afford to get 300 armor and not get shredded by magic damage or do ignorable damage are Malphite Rammus .

ADCs with LW just cheapen the anti-tank ADCs and make bot lane picks all about who is safer, rather than for team comp like every other lane.

Fyzzex1 votes

OK ima give you a helpful triangle, burst beats Sustained dps, Sustained Dps beats tank, and tank beats burst. Now your build lands you in the Tank category and any adc at the 50 minute mark/Full Build is extremely high sustained damage. Also think of it like this, 300+ AD hitting your face 2 times a second, critting for 250% damage atleast 55% of the time(roughly an increase of 140% dps so about 1400 damage per second) means that come the latest part of the game, everything comes down to which adc can output the most damage while staying alive. Does this suck for everyone that isn't an ADC at this point? Yea, it does. but that is why you have an entire role dedicated to getting that adc though the first 15 minutes unscathed and possibly ahead of their counterpart

TL;DR: Late Game ADC's wreck everything that doesn't 100-0 them in less than 2 seconds and are meant to do this

colesy1 votes

"i died to an immobile champion therefore nerf last whisper"

the logic of the OP is strong

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