It buffed crap champs like Volibear, and nerfed bullshit like Zoe, great job!
I think the next order of business is to address Ninja Tabi. Literally every class of champion builds these items for the most part. It just seems extremely (and way too much so) gold efficient at doing what it does. What do you guys think? Botlane often ends up in a "tabi vs tabi" situation and it's really boring. No AD builds Zerkers anymore.
Nyarlathοtep30 votesI think the next order of business is to address Ninja Tabi.
You want to nerf tabi more?! Then i hope you are going to nerf adcs too. They are the reason everyone buys tabi nowadays. Oh and btw, whats the use of more atk speed (zerkers) if you are dead or cced?
Disembark11 votesActually yeah... nerf tabis then nerf ADCs.
Seriously, if tabis passive was on a tank item it’d be SO MUCH healthier.
The reason ADCs even needed buffs in 7.9 was partially because of how strong tabis were. Assassins/Mages/Fighters would literally become unkillable with tabis for an ADC, while still being able to kill them because they sacrificed pretty much nothing to build them. At the same time ADCs would also build tabis cause it’d give them SO MUCH in the 1v1.
Put tabis passive on a tank item, revert IE and zeal costs.
Bruisers/Tanks actually become tanky, ADCs take more time to hit their spikes.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesActually yeah... nerf tabis then nerf ADCs.
Seriously, if tabis passive was on a tank item it’d be SO MUCH healthier.
The reason ADCs even needed buffs in 7.9 was partially because of how strong tabis were. Assassins/Mages/Fighters would literally become unkillable with tabis for an ADC, while still being able to kill them because they sacrificed pretty much nothing to build them. At the same time ADCs would also build tabis cause it’d give them SO MUCH in the 1v1.
Put tabis passive on a tank item, revert IE and zeal costs.
Bruisers/Tanks actually become tanky, ADCs take more time to hit their spikes.
I'd like it if tabis were deleted and merged with Randuins, with some number tuning.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesThen what would tanks by when dealing with AD teams?
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Then what would tanks by when dealing with AD teams?
The new randuins with the other armor items, duh. Didnt say get rid of tabi passive from extstance, just move it to randuins so adc dont get a cheap 1 stop fuck you to assassination attempts unless they sink 3000g into a totally offenceless item.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesI mean as far as boots are concerned.
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I mean as far as boots are concerned.
You don't need to rush T2 boots, and mercs still work for tenacity, or swiftness for slow resist. Thete's still 5 slots for you to go nuts with your armor.
BobaFlautist5 votesTo be fair, assassins and fighters don't have good boots that increase their damage (other than I guess CDR or attack speed boots but that's a little iffy).
If there were like flat armor pen and on-hit boots, Tabi might be less prevalent - mages give up a lot of damage against adcs by opting out of sorc boots.
Hmm not bad idea, but what about about tabis? If you remove their passive you have to buff another part on the boots.
Kanzaki Ranko1 votesYou can just make it so that ranged champions get a reduced effect from tabi
Tanks building it is fine, same with melee champions, but I don't think it's necessarily okay if every ranged carry just rushes tabi so it's a tabi vs tabi duel every game
Oh i totally forgot about this possibility. But given the sped at which riot makes these kind of changes, it will take a while if they ever decide to do it that is.
undesirable team1 votesNyarlathοtep1 votesWOW! ITS ALMOST AS IF IT WORKS AS INTENDED. Look man i really dont get you. It does reduce damage for aa. Ofc its much more apparent in this kind of situation than a bit more atk speed. Plus the fact that draven doesnt benefit that much from atk speed ( compared to other adcs)
Sire Hippington1 votesso an item that is dedicated to reduceing AA based damage and does little vs abillites and nothing vs magic damage(exept corki) is better in a pure AA battle than a general dps item?
next try it with an orianna running sorcs vs an orianna with tabis and see how well tabis do...
Chromatic Eagle19 votesAren't people building tabis to deal with the amount of damage that exists in game? Shouldn't nerfing the damage be the start?
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Aren't people building tabis to deal with the amount of damage that exists in game? Shouldn't nerfing the damage be the start?
I was hoping someone had some common sense. Thanks for not disappointing
LankPants10 votesNinja Tabi in their current state are a crutch that allow tanks and fighters to somewhat survive the absurd damage output of ADCs. Tabi cannot be nerfed unless Riot takes a hatchet to ADC damage and reduces it by 15%+.
The only sensible way to nerf Tabis at current would be to introduce a melee/ranged split to the item to make them a considerably worse choice on ADCs, without other nerfs to ADCs any other nerf to Tabi pushes the game even further into the degenerate direction it's already moving in.
Also where are you seeing Tabi ADCs? Every ADC in every game you play builds Zerks. If your answer's proplay then I don't give a fuck. The game is already too balanced around proplay.
Milton Fletcher1 votesIt’s not pro play. Every game above plat3+ if u have an ad top expect atleast 2+ tabis
LankPants1 votesI'm talking about this guy's claim specifically, that he doesn't see ADCs build Zerks anymore instead seeing them opt for Tabi. Yet if you look at his match history damn near every ADC built Zerks and only a few built Tabi, it's something like an 8:1 ratio of Zerks:Tabi.
Also why would I ever build other boots on a melee? ADCs output the damage of two champs more or less, they're the only real damage threats in the game. Is it really a surprise that in this degenerate form of LoL Tabi are a high value item?
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesNinja Tabi in their current state are a crutch that allow tanks and fighters to somewhat survive the absurd damage output of ADCs. Tabi cannot be nerfed unless Riot takes a hatchet to ADC damage and reduces it by 15%+.
i don't feel tankier against them. But i feel they're tankier
Also where are you seeing Tabi ADCs? Every ADC in every game you play builds Zerks. If your answer's proplay then I don't give a fuck. The game is already too balanced around proplay.
seems like ur lucky, even at my current elo (low plat) i see tabi on adc every day.
LankPants1 votesseems like ur lucky, even at my current elo (low plat) i see tabi on adc every day.
No, you don't, check your own match history. You see a heavy majority Zerks.
Ralik0983 votesThe individual nerfs and buffs were fine but Riot still isn't addressing core issues with the game. Junglers being too important, supports being overloaded, and damage being way too high.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesWell they nerfed outer blast cones, which helped with ganks.
JohnnyNeverSins2 votesYeah tabi is pretty cancer,also top laners with bramble and tabi can fuck you up with no damage items for some weird reason too!
MysticDreams121 votesNo it wasn't. They ruined AP itemization again, on top of buffing one of the worst bullshits in the game- Zed.
One of the worst patches in a while, imo.
SanKakU1 votesYeah, can't wait to see junglers losing to enemy jungler smart enough to buy 
and actually get vision and movement speed.
Malix Farwin1 votesIt over nerfed Zoe so no one will play her and they will get 0 feedback on the champion issues but "Great Patch tho" because it removed a champion from the game. PS: Volibear buffs aren't going to put him back into the meta or change anything about her current position in it.
Jorencice1 votesOver nerfed???
Bro do you even math?
Its like a 6% loss if you do your combo wrong and a 10% buff if you do it right
Thats right. Good zoes will deal more damage than before.
Mizuno1 votesTo nerf Tabis, they could just lower the armor by 5 or 10 to bring it in line with Merc threads
Barkley1 votesexcept that AD is significantly more threatening in the current state of the game.
DNFVixen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Boeing 727,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1s92fab0,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-22T13:58:01.744+0000)
It buffed crap champs like Volibear, and nerfed bullshit like Zoe, great job!
I think the next order of business is to address Ninja Tabi. Literally every class of champion builds these items for the most part. It just seems extremely (and way too much so) gold efficient at doing what it does. What do you guys think? Botlane often ends up in a "tabi vs tabi" situation and it's really boring. No AD builds Zerkers anymore.
I would rather they just nerf all the fucking dmg in the game, i can't stand league as it is right now.
DragonShea1 votesHere is the problem
[{quoted}](name=Boeing 727,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1s92fab0,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-22T13:58:01.744+0000)
It buffed crap champs like Volibear, and nerfed bullshit like Zoe, great job!
I think the next order of business is to address Ninja Tabi. Literally every class of champion builds these items for the most part. It just seems extremely (and way too much so) gold efficient at doing what it does. What do you guys think? Botlane often ends up in a "tabi vs tabi" situation and it's really boring. No AD builds Zerkers anymore.
Here is the problem, Tabi is a necessity against all of these ADC's and they need to nerf over ADC's power while also fixing how tenacity works. I've gotting tabi over and over while covering my ass with a tenacity rune so I don't have worry about merc treads. People don't wanna buy Merc's unless they're facing a heavy AP CC team.
Bârd1 votesNot just 
.
All the upgraded boots are kind of crap design, tbh.
The item line as a whole needs looking at.
MirrorU1 votesExcept why buff zed? He already 1 shots, so now you give him the same ability endgame too? Broken much? Same thing with darius he was not weak by any stretch of the imagination so why buff him?
T4underbolt1 votesZed is in a weak spot. So is talon. Darius was also in bad spot but his buffs are not really hitting the problem. Darius doesn't need to deal more DMG. He has more than enough. It is his survavibility that suffers the most. And I hate Darius a lot for his bullsht design but when I see that he can't even win lane Vs champion he counters you know something is wrong.
MirrorU1 votesWhat weak spot is zed in? He has ranged poke, at which point he builds ghostblade and duskblade and 1 shots everyone who doesn't use a zhonyas, what weak spot? But that's not even the biggest issue, here's some other stuff, they won't nerf cami, even though she's so broken that her and vlad are permabanned in korea, they won't cap crit at 40% which is where it should be instead they are content on letting it sit at 100%+ on champs that already 1shot without it.
T4underbolt1 votesTrue. Camille, Vlad are huge problems, rng of crit items also is (or more like lack of it when you hit 80-100% crit). Zed can be easily outplayed in lane and rendered useless. His poke has 24 seconds cooldown early. It's not even a poke compared to mages. In gold already zed can be stopped by an autodialed support picking Janna or Lulu. It is that easy to render him useless. What you do Vs zed is grouping up like Vs every single target assassin.
MirrorU1 votesI'm assuming you mean grouping up vs every assassin except kat, because that would be very very bad.
kargish1 votesRemember that time provided dogde chance fellas?
Mama Soraka1 votesNon-unique dodge chance at that. 
build done
kargish1 votesNo way, used to go 
because his passive gave him additional HP based on his AP and AD, plus his abilities scaled with both.
FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votesWell let's be real it's the guys and gals with the guns that makes Ninja Tabi so strong
...because anything else would be...not as strong
given the circumstances
Sire Hippington1 votesAgree on 8,4 going in a good direction, but i disagree on tabis. Yes, tabis are built alot, but that's not because they are so strong, but because they are desperatly needed. Few season ago, thy were even stronger and yet rather niche. The big difference since then is the absurd damage creep, the %damage reduction on them feels like a neccesity to not die instantly vs crits. Also, mrecs have become less good, not only was the tenacity nerfed some time ago, there is just so much cc that isn't affected by it and the damage is so high that it doesn't matter wether you're nasred 2 sec or 1.5, you probably won#t survive it if you aren#t full tank, in which case adc dps is your biggest issue so nija's are once again the way to go. Also, adc get so much AS from runes(38% with Precission/inspiration and alacrity compared to ~14% from old runes+masteries) and susally have two zeal items in their first 3 buys, so as from boots is not that important for them anymore.
T4underbolt1 votesNinja tabi are also bought to counter other roles. ADC has too much DMG from crit but other and champions get destroyed by this item. This item is too cost efficient. Mercury's are really bad and not worth the price. Tenacity needs buff on those boots without making price up.
Blåbæret1 votes[{quoted}](name=Boeing 727,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1s92fab0,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-22T13:58:01.744+0000)
It buffed crap champs like Volibear, and nerfed bullshit like Zoe, great job!
I think the next order of business is to address Ninja Tabi. Literally every class of champion builds these items for the most part. It just seems extremely (and way too much so) gold efficient at doing what it does. What do you guys think? Botlane often ends up in a "tabi vs tabi" situation and it's really boring. No AD builds Zerkers anymore.
Yeah man. Nerf tabis and let ADCs dominate even harder! Lmao. Everyone builds tabis because damage is too high if you take zerkers. Tabis isn't the problem.
Downvoted btw.