Death's Dance Attack damage increased from 75 to 80 Unique Passive - changed from 15% to 30% of damage taken is dealt as a Bleed over 3 seconds instead.
Guardian Angel +40 Attack Damage +30 Armor Unique Passive: Upon taking lethal damage, restores 50% of base Health and 30% of maximum Mana after 4 seconds of stasis (300 second cooldown).
Good thing he got that MR nerf on his E, otherwise he'd be broken.
XD
Meep Man33 votesYou see Graves buffs, I see Aatrox.
Legacy Hydralpha1 votesEven better since Aatrox works better with AD after update (IMO). Now imagine if passive scaled off of bonus AD instead of base AD.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesOld Aatrox worked better with AD. Now less. But DD is still a great first item... when u don't take botrk.
Auz the Ripper1 votesi was just about to say, "Hey Aatrox, guess what item you're getting?"
SH Azykan7 votesaatrox doesnt want GA anymore because the GA happens before his passive revive and the GA revival eats his bloodwell time so you cant get the passive revive after. Death's dance would be interesting though
Warlord Zudane7 votesReally? GA triggers before his passive? Seems like reversing that would be an improvement for him, because unless his passive is on CD it shouldn't consider him as 'dead' yet for GA to trigger.
SH Azykan7 votesI agree reversing it would make sense absolutely.
bunnφ1 votesOr let the passiv trigger at reaching 1hp?
RainbowIcee2 votesI think it used to be that way then they reversed it as a way of nerfing him.
Flawless Fetus1 votesYou're right.
Whut Thuh 1 votesits not that they intentionally did it, its just that they coded it as "upon taking lethal damage" so as soon as your hp bar hits 0 ga triggers, and it just happens to have priorith over his passive. but yea switching it would really help him out
YoungSirJ0ey5 votesA) He's not even close to always banned
B) No one builds Death's Dance on him currently. It's not that strong an item.
option paralysis13 votes{quoted} B) No one builds Death's Dance on him currently. It's not that strong an item.
CURRENTLY YES CURRENTLY NOBODY BUILDS IT CURRENTLY. What is this post about ? his state right now combined with his state after these items. So why does it matter what he CURRENTLY builds ? It was built on him before nerfs and it will be built after these buffs again. + his E for armor + the GA = pick/ban.
YoungSirJ0ey1 votesMy point was that this buff really isn't that large. If it's not built on him now, it's not good enough that this change will break it on him.
Dynamiku Entry3 votesLucian + BotRK
BakedLotion24 votesA) He's not even close to always banned
B) No one builds Death's Dance on him currently. It's not that strong an item.
lol maybe not in bronze or silver, but anything above that, he's perma banned
Grimspeake1 voteslol maybe not in bronze or silver, but anything above that, he's perma banned
Maybe in diamond goldies and most plats will let him thru still
YoungSirJ0ey7 votesHm. It seems champion.gg has bamboozled me. How the fuck do they turn a 50% banrate into a 7% one?
Lord Galvatron2 votesThe MR nerf was very significant. He no longer gets +120 MR at max rank E. He's still strong but he's not a ADC tank like he used to be. I think the Guardian Angel and Deaths Dance buffs will prob break a ton of champions and Graves will only be one of many.
YoungSirJ0ey2 votesThat's not what I meant. I meant that other stats websites show Graves with a 50% or higher banrate. Champion.gg shows 7%.
Lord Galvatron3 votesChampion.gg is a more specific search. You can see the stats for specific Ranks (i.e. Plat+)
YoungSirJ0ey2 votesI know, but most stats websites are also plat+, which was what I checked on champion.gg, and they all said a much higher number.
It Hertz When IP2 votesThey might be pulling from too small of a data source. I vaguely recall one of the big data sites for LoL only displays data from the current patch.
Lord Galvatron2 votesMight be a smaller sample size then, ik the algorithms for the websites are different.
DrCyanide1 votesHow do you use a different algorithm for % of games picked/banned?
Even if the sample size is smaller you're still looking at tens of thousands of games, which should still show comparable percentages.
SoyUnPrededor1 votesAh, that's true if you can somehow be certain you've omitted all sampling biases, which, depending on the algorithms used for data collection, could well be present.
Sp33d Zer04 votesI don't know about you, but I have found a lot of champion.gg to have incosistent info with it's own site.
Dessem5 votesI stopped trusting champ.gg. Sometimes it says 50% w/r in the list, then 48% on the champ specific page, with 56% winrate on first-timers to 51% winrate on mains, never once dipping below that. Like what? Where does the 50% w/r come from then?
Autrah Fang1 votesI stopped trusting champ.gg. Sometimes it says 50% w/r in the list, then 48% on the champ specific page, with 56% winrate on first-timers to 51% winrate on mains, never once dipping below that. Like what? Where does the 50% w/r come from then?
i stopped trusting champ.gg when i noticed their "highest winrate build/mastery/etc" displayed for some champions are only pulled from a sample size of +/-10 games. that's hardly enough data to trust, should have an algorithm in there somewhere that makes it only show "highest winrate" stuff of things with a sample size of at least 100 games or more >_>
BakedLotion1 votesHm. It seems champion.gg has bamboozled me. How the fuck do they turn a 50% banrate into a 7% one?
all sites are fucked up right now
o Eon O2 votesPeople do build DD on him actually, it's a usual item for Tarzaned. A lot of people copy Tarzaned
YoungSirJ0ey1 votesSure, but that's not the point. The point is that it's not a good item, even on him, and this won't really change that. As a side note, I think it could work well on Xayah, given that her whole thing is being anti diver/assassin.
o Eon O2 voteshttp://lolalytics.com/champion/Graves/
You say it's not a good item, but the stats say otherwise. it has a 13 percent pick rate, which is comparable to the other popular items. When a game goes late, it's usually a pick up. It also has the highest win rate out of items on him, on top of the number 1 Graves player in NA picking the item up consistently. It's strong on him, it's picked on him, and now it's going to be even better. The numbers prove it.
YoungFarmer1 votesA) He's not even close to always banned
B) No one builds Death's Dance on him currently. It's not that strong an item.
68.17% banrate.
YoungSirJ0ey1 votesYes, I know. I was confused because champion.gg was significantly more wrong than I expected.
Stacona5 votesSo we don't make changes to the game because of one outlier? This community makes a whole lot of logic and sense >.>
ModCaptainMårvelous2 votesI mean any AD item buffs could be seen as Graves buffs.
Personally I'd rather give better stuff to people who need it rather than worrying about the single fringe/problem case. (Albeit Graves does need changes)
Sraeg20132 votesDeath's Dance Attack damage increased from 75 to 80 Unique Passive - changed from 15% to 30% of damage taken is dealt as a Bleed over 3 seconds instead.
O...kay.
Guardian Angel +40 Attack Damage +30 Armor Unique Passive: Upon taking lethal damage, restores 50% of base Health and 30% of maximum Mana after 4 seconds of stasis (300 second cooldown).
Meanwhile at Rito Germs HQ. Remember how we were saying for 3 seasons straight we don't want everybody to be buying GA? Now it's only for ADs!
Spoofghoul2 votes
what mr nerf
ive got ADAPTIVE CIGAR now
Kirius Dark1 votesI see those item changes and still wont get it on graves. They're defensive in nature and playing like a pussy doesnt get you ahead
Faceroll Tactics1 votes80 ad is defensive?
Prison AnaI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Level 18 Feeder,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1kRON27d,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-04-11T16:02:59.931+0000)
I see those item changes and still wont get it on graves. They're defensive in nature and playing like a pussy doesnt get you ahead
do you know how much fucking damage he does and how little graves takes
AmazoX1 votesIMO that guardian angel change is completely stupid, But hey, We as the community will just have to wait & see what those changes result in, Those death dance change are gonna make it insane on AD.
80 AD along with a 30% dmg converted into a bleed. whoop whoop.
PapaGreg211 votesRiot did one of those nerfs for Graves to quiet the community but never really changed how dominant he still is. I ban him first overall if I am jungling over Ivern, Shaco and Lee Sin
SirΤeemο1 votesshhh !! some say graves never buy death's dance .. LOL
charge attack1 votesHe's obviously not permabanned in high elo if someone like Tarzaned is playing him literally every game from gold to challenger on 2 accs within the past 5-6 patches.
