You are not good at a champion until you can consistently perform well at a variety of times.

Marshbouy··70 votes·5,536 views

I'm going to start off this post with a story. I have a friend from school who is very nice, but he has one issue. He always spams the FOTM champions in order to win. When he wins he gloats about how good he is at the champion, while not really being all that good at them. (For example, his season 6 mains were Udyr, Zed, Graves, then post buff Vlad). He was literally the definition of a FOTM player. He'd "main" a champion for some period of time then once they got nerfed or good counterplay against them was discovered he would get destroyed a few times and his self confidence in the game would decrease significantly until eventually he quit.

I'm not going to lie when I say this, I'm guilty of this too. I'm not a huge FOTM player but I've always thought myself to be good at a champion until I run into a few situations where people have learned to counter me, then I just stop playing them because I'm not good at them anymore.

There are bigger problems that can stem from this inflated idea of skill. If you play 6 games of Lee Sin against people who don't understand how to play against Lee Sin, land 2/3 insec kicks, and proceed to call yourself a Lee Sin god and go into ranked to get yourself to plat, you could negatively impact a lot of games.

Skill in this game is not KDA, it's not CS/min, it's not decision making, it's not mechanics, it's a consistent winrate and performance on a champion or role in a solo environment. That may include good KDA, good CS, good decision making, good mechanics, and many other things, but consistency is what matters. If you are consistent in winning 6 out of 11 games, you will climb. Everyone can do incredibly well on Vayne(for example) in one game, but can you do incredibly well on them over 50% of the time in all the games you play?

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Maximum Morde78 votes

I can consistently perform well at the feed role with any champion.

DarkRitual15 votes

It makes them worth more gold for the team to shut down.

It's a bold move Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

50000000000000003 votes

Singed420 does this all the time

Velzard of Koz1 votes

Also, it makes you be worth nearly no gold so you can sacrifice yourself for the good of team and distract by your death the enemy team. It's going to be meta soon.

Schàdenfreude23 votes

This is extremely well said, and also great timing for this post too. After all, we are beginning to see a lot of Camilles in games now. If only this were in the mindset of every League player, we would not have to waste a ban on a new champion.

Ferrous Oxide3 votes

Camel isnt even all that great -.-

Ralanr4 votes

I just ban her so my team doesn't pick her. Too early to trust it in ranked imo.

unicorngirl12 votes

another champ that had this problem was yasuo. he became op and then everyone picked him.

IGotScuttleCrabs1 votes

And didn't stop

MagikarpIsBoss5 votes

What do you mean by and then?

He was always spammed lol

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

She's a no-brainer vs any skirmisher top (and especially good vs the cancer picks Quinn Gangplank Lulu Gnar ). Just don't pick her into tank lanes. Doesn't work out usually.

YuGiHo1 votes

But you know who shes great vs? Singed this guy, even if you think she op cancer its a great feel ulting singed players and then kiling them without having to chase

Comrade Napoleon2 votes

you do realize we just fling you out of it right? actually singed fling is one of the easiest skills to disable her ult, he naturally runs to the edge of it, camile will naturally follow him, then he turns back and flings her out of the edge.

YuGiHo1 votes

in my on experience vs singed as camille she has enough sticking power with item 3078 and the ms from q and q2 90% slow on w stun on e with 2 dashes to force out singed fling if you hold on to fling for when she ults she is just going to kill you without it because she can. once singed flings you is easy to get back on him an ult to secure the kill

PhDs Nuts8 votes

If you can survive hard matchups without the enemy getting unnecessarily stronger because of you, you're in a good spot.

Foodtank7 votes

{quoted}

Skill in this game is not KDA, it's not CS/min

My whole thing is when people brag about "winning the laning phase" with good KDA and CS; that's all fine and dandy, but the real skill lies in translating that into pressure and objectives for your team

Dryditch3 votes

As much as I agree with you, don't forget the power of feeders. You might come out of lane phase 50 cs up, three kills ahead of your top lane opponent, but the same might be true of the enemy ADC, and that's just not going to translate into benefits for your team at all.

notice me Sin pi5 votes

being able to pick whatever's FOTM champs is part of skill too. A lot like how allowing urself to be carried by someone else is part of skill too.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

Well i guess there are no good yasuos because being consistent on him is damn near impossible...

Almighty3 votes

No offence, but your friend is the type of player i despise.

The Meta slave who copies LCS players and top streamers/Youtubers, searching for what is currently trending, and then abusing the hell out of it.

Main champions are something very s[ecial to some of us. Take for example me. I have NEVER played FOTM champions. I like to stick to the champions i enjoy playing. I don't care if Redmercy said my darling precious Taric is a "niche pick", i will always stick with him, trough buffs and nerfs, because i ADORE this champion!

If your friend truly wants to enjoy the game, he should stop tryharding, stop taking the game so seriously, stop copying the pros, and just find a champion who he truly feels a connection with. A champion that actually brings him pleasure. Once that is done, your friend's performance on that chmpion will increase, and with it, his winrate. Then he can say he's "good".

Almighty.

Vesemir3 votes

Fiora : Lost my lane max 3 times. Have 69% win rate. Played 2 rankeds this year. my team fed like no tomorrow in both of my games. I mean if you are going 2/12 on bot lane its obviously your fault. And they proceed to blame you for their mistakes. He says why dont you protect me in tf. Whats the point of protecting some1 who does an absolute no damage...

Ralanr2 votes

I've had a similar experience with Poppy on her release. Poppy was pretty busted and I'll admit I never noticed it at the time. Then when they removed her AA reset my ability to utilize her dropped. My jungle clears were terrible and I couldn't play her top.

I stopped playing her for a while, but I picked her back up because I did find her fun even if frustrating. Currently mastery rank 6 with her and one of my top top laners.

"I do not fear the man who knows 1,000 kicks. I fear the man who has practiced 1 kick 1,000 times"

-Bruce Lee.

Champion balance comes and goes, and some champions just don't work with their kit (hi Aatrox). But actually sticking to main a champion or just becoming comfortable with them outside of their strong periods can be very rewarding.

I never feel bad playing Sion because even when behind I know what I am capable of. He rewards me for understanding him, not for just using him when he's strong.

hunterspec2 votes

he mained zed and vlad who have the lowest win rates? lol

Marshbouy12 votes

He mained Udyr when Udyr was insane during preseason He mained Zed right after the release of Duskblade He main Vlad right after Vlad got megabuffs and was a constant LCS pick with a high ass banrate. OFC once they were nerfed down he stopped palying them.

Off Meta Evan2 votes

i'm gonna have to disagree with you. IMO real skill comes from mechanical skill with your champion. Good win rates come from mechanical skill with your champion. unless you're ACTUALLY a boosted animal, lack of skill with your champion should eventually result in you losing more games than you win. If you have a negative win rate, its because you weren't good enough to carry the game. GRANTED, yes game knowledge, csing, objectives, all very important as well. But the primary thing that i see win games is people just understanding their champion and succeeding at playing them well enough to keep wining team fights so they can keep taking objectives. Winrate is something that probably indicates how good you are at said champ but isn't always clear cut, Gbay99 recently had a 42% winrate on irelia and i think we can all agree his irelia is pretty spicy.

doublelift fg2 votes

diamond 1/master are forced to play fotm, or it's just a free lose

if you play something else and lose/not win you will get reported

Alleo2 votes

I do perfectly well with vayne. I go 0/8 and then flame my team every time, you can't tell me that's not how to play vayne.

6Sfool1 votes

Not sure whether to upvote because it was a funny joke, or downvote because it's a sad truth, or upvote because it's a funny truth that you're ok with. Or downvote for mentioning that you own vayne.

Alleo1 votes

Well I mean...I own all the champs so getting vayne was inevitable.

CarameI Frappe2 votes

I used to think only mobility / healing champions like Nami Soraka Janna were the only way to win Ranked as a Support main. I used to die often as Leona (my main) so I abandoned her to get with the meta. However despite winning more, I would also lose games and fail to help bot lane survive long enough.

So I decided "Screw it, going to spam my main and power through ranked". I ended up improving, understanding how to deal with counters (Morgana) and climb. I ended up Platinum last Season having a 53% win rate on Leona over 300+ games. So yeah play your main religiously and i'm sure you can outplay your enemies if you know your main well enough. Sure you might suck sometimes and lose games regardless, but you'll likely do better because you're so in sync with your main that most situations are easier to solve now.

Vesemir1 votes

I abandoned my main aswell. Farewell doge. My main since s1. item 3070 Nasus item 3070 . Its no fun when the enemy adc just melts you down like butter after he/she buys a item 3036 or item 3033 .

Edit: Seriously though tanks get no bonuses from objectives. Everyone gets damage increases, burns etc.. Leaving it impossible to play a juggernaut. I will never forget Jhin dealing 1.6k damage with his ult to a 230 armor Nasus.

Big Sexy Himself2 votes

When Sion first got re-worked, it was such a strange and awesome thing to see the undead warrior theme reworked. But when he first was out, he was considered to be in a very poor state in terms of gameplay. He was clunky, there were bugs everywhere and his ult could be stopped by spamming the Hold key. But i picked him up, and loved his kit, even in the shitty state he was in. Eventually he was bugfixed, buffed in certain areas and hes been basically left alone since then. I think I've played Sion around 85% of my games since his release. He's such an awesome slow, but giant powerhouse, kinda like King Dedede in the SSB series.

It's awesome how vocal Ralanr is about Sion, because Sion's popularity is only 3.4%, or 96th place out of 133 champions in league. It's awesome playing him to the point where you know his hitboxes precisely, knowing the best places to hide in bushes and charge your Q into unsuspecting followers, knowing where to position yourself before you die so you get maximum hits in his undead form, etc. I've climbed from gold 5 to Plat 5 with him, and am still climbing. He's probably going to be my favorite champion forever. I hope more people pick him up; he's fun, he's a powerhouse, and he's an underrated masterpiece. Everyone should treat themselves once in a while, ya know?

[slayer-jinx-catface]

PS: Buff Sion plz

Chizzah2 votes

Lol I'm good with Vayne until I'm not xD

Envoy of Melody1 votes

I hate FOTM abusing people. You don't make yourself look good by boasting about your rank if all you do is pick the champions that are statistically and gameplay wise out of control and drop them like a hot potato once they're in line again. It's quite the opposite, actually.

I guess you could say I really wish Lee Sin players would get malware on their computer for playing that champion in the current patch for example. Wait until he's nerfed next patch and those bastards go right over to Vi to abuse the fuck out of her, too. Pathetic, honestly.

But hey, whatever makes these %%%%s feel good about themselves. I mean, I play what I feel like playing which is the point of a videogame, but I guess some people would even suck a dick to get into Diamond these days. Pretty pathetic.

DarkRitual6 votes

Playing/abusing FOTM is fine, boasting and acting godlike are not. I had a modedate experience with Zyra pre-MYMU. I was destroying people with her after the update (even before she got buffed). Once she got nerfed some and people learned to play against her, my winrate on her dropped. The freelo train came to a stop, so I played her less. I still had my mains to fall back on though, and didn't move to the next FOTM champ.

I also rocked people with Poppy long before she became LCS star. Now where did I put those hipster glasses...

Samflash31 votes

But then again, what's the long term benefit of being good at a champion?

TeCoolMage1 votes

I have a 66% winrate on Anivia and I still consider myself bad.

Trust me, it's not a magical number of 6 out of 11, it's based on the mastery curve. Taliyah players with 125+ games have an average of 80% win rate despite their champion being considered gutted, and if I was an average Anivia main with 125+ games I'd be boasting a 70-80% winrate right now

RottedApples1 votes

i do play some FOTM now and again but i usually don't do this with the champions that are currently meta. my current fotm is nasus. Why? I like nasus, I like stacking Q into oblivion and one shotting people. I do feel like I have some skill with this champion but I also know i should be getting rekt a bit because I'm doing a risky starting item build with longsword refillable, but i don't feel like i need dorans with the lifesteal nasus already has and i want to go for an aggressive build.

I do remember meta slaving runeglaive ezreal when that was OP but in my defense I've always enjoyed ezreal and ap ezreal. It just felt good to have a champion i like be viable in the meta.

Rakvir1 votes

I won't say I'm "good", but in the past several games I've been Riven support (her kit SCREAMS "abuse me as a tank") and it's won me all except this last one where our Lee Sin jungle fed to the nine hills and couldn't hit a skill-shot when it MATTERED to save his life (heh, ironically, both his and teammate's as well).

Ends the game level 5 when I was fuming in base for 5-8 minutes at how incomprehensibly stupid and impossible it was to even ATTEMPT to fight back in any safe manner whatsoever and even I got level 6 before game ended.

He was, as he said to me in true hypocritical fashion, "less than useless". Turret diving a Draven with a Soraka support ala solo at least a couple times and looking for trouble top, mid, and jungle when he had absolutely no business doing so while MANY levels below every single enemy.

But sure, blame the Riven support who didn't die once until he fed the entire enemy team in one manner or another to the point where it was a pre-20 win.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Riven Support? I'm curious.

How does it work? How do you trade? what about poke from the enemy laners? Relic Shield is the correct support item correct? Do you do the standard Riven build or build differently?

Rakvir1 votes

Relic Shield start, yes. As for which items, it really depends on each individual match but Black Cleaver SHOULD be the only non-tank item you really "need", just because it's any physical damage at all that does the armor shredding and since she is very spammy with the cooldown that comes as a neat bonus...not hard to accomplish.

Unfortunately, I do not have enough games on her with ENOUGH, reluctant to say this because I hate to badmouth just in an over-arcing blanket (as opposed to singular examples where I can hit point-on-point criticisms), competent teams that know anything about self-preservation in the slightest to be able to give as much analysis as I would otherwise like.

However, one game I did kind of regret picking her into a team with a shit-ton of CC. I didn't consider that point and it is a mistake I will not make again.

As for laning phase, generally, as should be common sense, don't trade past level 3 or 4 too terribly much unless you can save your E for getting OUT, as you won't have enough combat stats via items to reliably commit to an all-in unless absolutely desperate.

Start Q, E, then W, and prioritize E from there on in, followed by Q. R is one of those things that, as a support, I wouldn't really put more than one point into unless you get damn fed that you can feel out your item build a little more...brazenly, to put it mildly.

The 2nd Horseman1 votes

Should also include knowing what to do when behind, if you've never been behind on the champion and learned to adept your build to you've probably not even played 8 games on them.

Hella Kaiser1 votes

Mordekaiser lost lane 3 times in the last season.

LichKing2341 votes

same back in late season 3 early season (and though out season 4) i mained aatrox got him at lvl 12 and as i was learning him and i say loosing games may be a blow to your ego but thats how you learn winning is good and all but loosing (when its your fault) is the real teacher it helps you learn your mistakes when you win it shows your improvement.

but back to the story i proceeded to get my ass kick in about everygame i got top in and i learned how to effectively counter my counters as aatrox how to farm under turrent how and when to push and i started to win games so as i said taking looses on your main helps you learn how to play the game

Weasel Kensei1 votes

And did your friend buy those champs with RP when he didnt have them so he could jump on the FotM train ASAP? People like to make their "Where is your tinfoil hat?" jokes when you say Riot messes up the balance creating FotM champs to make $$$.

Still, many players are fickle and choose their champs the way your friend does, and by creating FotM champs they create a market for quick power that people do spend RP on making Riot $$$.

Kinda like that one time last season when they buffed the ever loving fuck out of Xin for no reason when everyone was dumbstruck that he was getting buffs cause he was already in a good spot. then Xin went straight to a 60% win rate cause he was stupid OP from pointless money making FotM buffs... yeah, no Riot never "Chooses" the FotM for $$$ Im just making it up.

To OP's point. Yeah, youre right, people who 'can' win on a champ arnt necessarily good at them.

A Basic Island1 votes

I feel im good at shaco, even tho i only play normal games.

why do i feel this?

i got mastery 7 in 30k mastery points

i win a majority of my games (with silver all the way to diamond players, usually gold~)

I get alot of enemy hate :)

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

. . . And in a variety of roles/positions. You'd be surprised what a true main can accomplish when purposely countered.

ModRito Wuks1 votes

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