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(LOCKED) PSA: Do NOT take a marksmen top, EVER, in ranked. (or normals for that matter)

SnugglePuggle94··5 votes·1,400 views

Marksmen have no reason to be in the top lane. EVER. I don't care if they are fun to play, or "they counter this champ" (when they really DO NOT). They are meant to be in the bot lane with a SUPPORT, because that is what helps them** survive** to be able to get ahead and carry. They can NOT do that when a Riven is busting their ass, or Trynd is cutting them to death in two crits, or whoever plays top lane fighter/tank will kick their a** to infinity and beyond.

I have lost countless games thanks to these **idiots ** who do that, including my last one. He fed Riven early, and our jungler was a clueless idiot too so he kept making bad decisions like trying to 1v4, and I was the support trying to keep EVERYONE alive. Ziggs was our main carry since Xayah wasn't doing crap. But if we had had a tank or fighter top lane, I wouldn't had have to keep them alive as much because they have TOOLS to keep them alive, so I can focus on keeping the ONE main ADC alive or fed jungler/mid laner. And we lost, as I knew we would.

Yes, I'm salty but I know my stuff. And I am TIRED of constantly losing games because of idiots who deserve to be in Wood 5 because they don't pick the right top laner. Sure, 1 out of every 100 games might work out, but in RANKED, when** LP IS ON THE LINE, DON'T FREAKING DO IT. **

**Pick a champ that helps your team, not hinders it. **

I don't follow the LCS so don't make that excuse, but if they somehow do pick an ADC top, that's stupid but they are LCS for a reason. In lower divisions and queues, ADCs are NOT TO BE PLAYED TOP LANE. End of story.

49 Comments

Malza10 votes

Quinn, Vayne, Lucian can top lane.

SnugglePuggle945 votes

HA. HA.

Nope.

Lucian was in my game. He fed Riven to hell.

I've seen many Vayne's and Quinns feed too. ADCS DONT BELONG TOP LANE.

Malza2 votes

Lucian tops played pretty often in KR masters/challenger solo queue (more than any other adc). Vayne is used as a counterpick to champions like Singed, quinns main lane is top.

jwebb01136 votes

Quinn ????

MrHaZeYo6 votes

Lol Quinn? Teemo? Gnar is basically a ADC for the lane phase. Jayce is half n half a ADC.

Even Vayne in the right situation is decent top.

jwebb01132 votes

Kennen ?

MrHaZeYo3 votes

Granted his ADC build was nerfed, yes it still is decent and relevant. Ken can go APC to though.

jwebb01131 votes

didnt classify AD OR AP , just marksmen ... which typically mean ranged auto attackers

Sukishoo2 votes

Then pretty much all ranged champs would end up being called that since all champs can AA. Marksman, are generally AD Ranged attackers, and they aren't necessarily auto attackers at that. Some marksmen such as Varus, Ezreal, Lucian are caster style and like to poke with their abilities more often than just AA.

jwebb01131 votes

Teemo is a marksmen who does ap damage

corki is a marksmen who autos do magic damage and majority of his spells are ap damage

Sukishoo1 votes

Nope.

Teemo is currently classed as a Unique Playstyle as he holds similarities to both Marksmen and Assassin.

Corki is a unique Markman who they call the Magic dealing Marksmen. He is meant to do this as his passive makes his AAs do 80% magic & 20% physical damage.

As I metioned before Ezreal is another one similar to Corki who likes to poke with his abilites and these also do a lot of Magic damage.

Riot has all of their Champions and Classes here http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses

jwebb01131 votes

you can disagree i dont care...

marksmen would include Ashe Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Graves Jhin Jinx Kindred KogMaw Lucian MissFortune Quinn Sivir Tristana Twitch Varus Vayne with some unique champs that would be included Kennen Gnar Teemo

UnboundHades1 votes

no gnar is not an adc his attack range is way to short be to called one

jwebb01132 votes

mini gnar is a marksmen ...

mega gnar is a tank

UnboundHades1 votes

ranged=/=adc with that logic urgot is an adc and so isBard

Sukishoo1 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses

This listing that Riot made shows that Gnar and Mega Gnar are indeed two different classes. Mega Gnar is a melee Vanguard. And Mini Gnar, is a "Unique Playstyle" though they use to place that under Marksmen.

Urgot used to be classed as a Marksmen in the Game Client. They have since then fixed it with his update placing him in the Fighter class as he is a Juggernaut.

jwebb01131 votes

and i have seen on hit crit bard bot lane and top and on hit ap bard mid

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Mini Gnar is indeed a Marksman lol.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

Nope.

Jayce is a fighter. Teemo is a special case but that's only cause his range is too short for bot lane and he sucks there anyway.

Gnar's attack range is too short, plus he gets extremely tanky in Mega form, so he belongs there and isn't an ADC.

Quinn only has her blind going for her, otherwise she's dead. And most people I've seen get murdered on top of that because they can NOT SURVIVE.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Jayce in his Ranged form is a ADC Caster.

Mini Gnar is a Marksman

Teemo whether his range is short or not doesn't change that he is a Marksman

Quinn has more then her blind to allow her to survive as a Top laner lol.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Jayce and Gnar have two forms, but as a WHOLE, they are not classified as Marksmen.

Like I said, Teemo is a special case that is allowed top lane.

Quinn has nothing besides her blind. Her E or whatever one that makes her bounce off them and back into AA range isn't that much of a spell because she isn't able to get very far away, especially if she's against a top laner who has gap closers and stuns. And she can't use her ult while taking damage. Soooooo your argument is basically irrelevant.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Gnar is actually classified by Riot as both a Marksman and a Vanguard depending on what form he is in. So yes he is indeed a Marksman that goes top.

Jayce spends a majority of his time in his ranged form. Thus being a ranged top laner.

Quinn's Vault (E) helps her a lot. She's a ADC she's meant to kite, if a top laner jumps on her she can vault away back into safety while being in safety to kite. Whatever you feel, Quinn is a top laner, that's where she is best utilized.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Like I said, as as WHOLE, Gnar is not a marksman. Good Lord, learn to read for Pete's sake. Anyhow, he has tools to help him survive.

Jayce I don't care. He has tools to keep him safe too.

Quinn- NO. hell no. She's not meant for top lane. Any one who knows their shit can easily grab her after she vaults away. Riven, Irelia, Yas (even though he should be mid), and many others can keep up with her and smash her to pieces. And unless she has a frozen mallet, she's not kiting anyone well.

ADC'S ARE NOT MEANT FOR TOP LANE. EVER.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

You also are only considering top laners who function well against ranged champions lol. Riven, Irelia and Yas. Did you know other champs also go top? Just like any lane counters are a thing. Quinn actually does well vs most Juggernauts.

Just because you dislike top lane ADCs doesn't mean they are unviable top lane.

ZephyrDrake5 votes

"i know my stuff"

clearly you don't

SnugglePuggle943 votes

Yes, I do.

Reported.

ZephyrDrake3 votes

{quoted}

Yes, I do.

Reported.

ah, the classic "reported" answer... thanks for showing me how little you know about the game

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Wow. What a rude jerk you are. Saying "reported" shows nothing of how "much I know the game." I'm saying it because you are being mean, end of story.

I know the game very well. I've seen it through my experience and many games played. I've studied through the boards too. So don't you DARE call me that again.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

{quoted}

Wow. What a rude jerk you are. Saying "reported" shows nothing of how "much I know the game." I'm saying it because you are being mean, end of story.

I know the game very well. I've seen it through my experience and many games played. I've studied through the boards too. So don't you DARE call me that again.

"rude jerk"

you have yet to show how much you know about the game. All you are doing is saying baseless things, with no proof and then getting mad when people call on your lack of knowledge. If you actually know about the game then show it. You getting mad because i am saying you know nothing about the game and still not showing anything that actually proves you know something about the game just proves that you know nothing about the game

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I have not shown baseless things. All you are doing is harassing me and being a troll.

If I could give a website that gave stats on ADCs winrate in top lanes I would, but since they are BOT LANERS, that is where their stats are. Kind of hard to give proof there.

So I have been giving my proof through my KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE. I have gone through countless games where adcs have lost us the game because they took them top.

I have shown my proof. I have shown how I know about the game. So stop harassing me or you will get reported and punished if you keep doing so.

Mysticman891 votes

Plenty of sites give breakdowns by lane.

For example, quinn, whose highest winrate is in top lane: http://lolalytics.com/champion/Quinn/Top/

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I was saying for actual bot laners, not Quinn who shouldn't even be top in the first place. She's meant for bot. If you look at Lucian's page, he only has statistics for ADC and middle. NOT top, which he is not meant for. He just gets his ass beaten every time, just like most squishy champions people stupidly bring there.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

{quoted}

I have not shown baseless things. All you are doing is harassing me and being a troll.

If I could give a website that gave stats on ADCs winrate in top lanes I would, but since they are BOT LANERS, that is where their stats are. Kind of hard to give proof there.

So I have been giving my proof through my KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE. I have gone through countless games where adcs have lost us the game because they took them top.

I have shown my proof. I have shown how I know about the game. So stop harassing me or you will get reported and punished if you keep doing so.

i am waiting for the proof, you are showing nothing and getting mad constantly. That tells me you know nothing about the game. Sorry but that is the truth of it. You wouldn't get mad if what i was saying was false. You have done nothing, what knowledge and experience? oh! you mean like those people who claim to be mains of champions they haven't played in years? that type of experience and knowledge? anyone can say whatever they want. You have not shown anything at all. Show me that you know what you are talking about. Or you can keep getting mad and proving to me that you have no idea what you are talking about

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I have shown my proof. I have done everything I need too. Stop harassing me, you troll. I know what I am talking about, and that's the end of story. I am done talking with you, because you don't deserve the light of day.

Reported also.

Good fing bye.

Galacius1 votes

{quoted}

Yes, I do.

Reported.

You know... I get reports sometimes and I look at the context every single time. I am going to use my discretion here and say do not falsify reports on another user. You can consider this an official warning and any further conduct will result in me acting per the Universal Rules.

Aimléss2 votes

Maybe ranked, but normals? And what about Quinn. Stop being so irrational, you're tripping.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

I am being rational. Quinn still doesn't belong there. I've seen many get murdered.

One Ashe On2 votes

My dude, not to be mean or anything but you are silver 4... you basically have no clue what you are talking about other than bashing people out for not agreeing with you.. Quinn and Teemo belong top lane. I can understand your point about any other marksman but those two are there for a good reason. Teemo ADC bot lane doesn't work as his range is way to short to farm without getting harassed to oblivion and his spell are all AP reliant. Quinn suffer the same issue, low range and has to go in melee range to damage the opponent. If she get caught, it's over and she synergize pretty poorly with typical critical ADC. Pick Caitlyn and Quinn cease to exist. Your whole arguments is based off hatred and not on actual fact so please take time to take critize and opinion instead of shotting down people.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Didn't I hear a lot about Caitlyn making top? It seems to me an experience lead would be good and by keeping a trap on hand she might have an ace up her sleeve (or brastrap or whatever tf Riot got Jessica-fucking-Rabbit-ass-lookin'-new-garbage-Caitlyn still wearing) so as to prevent any ganks coming in from river or behind from jg. She could outrange a lot of her opponents and having level 3 quickly gives her net and trap quickly. Her high range allows her to harass with autos since most of her opponents won't be poking consistently and with a net or trap start, she can hella trade.

Am I just on crack? I'm probably on crack, I've only really played supp bot.

MythPuppy1 votes

Teemo, Quinn, Twitch, Vayne, and like a thousand other marksman champs would like a word with you.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I am not saying another word about those. Go look in the comment section.

Again I will say: ADC'S ARE NOT MEANT FOR TOP LANE. EVER.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

ITT no ADC counters any top laner.

lul

Playing Kennen as an ADC top was the most broken thing in the game for a while. Vayne and Quinn top are decent counters to bullies like Renekton and Darius if you're good with them, though I think anyone that picks Vayne top is either a Gosu wannabe or an asshole.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

That's why I said they do not, because I was telling you all others actually use that excuse to pick them top lane.

Mizaya1 votes

Thing is, there's no actual reason to play an ADC top lane when Gnar and Kennen exist. In the current TP meta, those two picks have TP presence, aka Gnar can ult out of a TP and Kennen can ult. Vayne and Lucian can't do this. Quinn is decent, but she's always been a top laner anyways. The only reason to play an ADC over Kennen or Gnar is if it's a specific counter matchup, which even then doesn't necessarily make it worth picking.

Malza1 votes

Gnar and Kennen are much less oppressive to lane vs as a melee top laner than Vayne/Lucian/Quinn.

They'll still often have more TP presence than the other top laner with how far ahead they'll probably be if they don't get ganked. Problem is if the ADC gets behind at all they're much easier to dive/gank than gnar/kennen, so they're not safe picks.

I look over masters+ KR solo queue games often though and there's definitely way more Lucian top lane there than Quinn. I'd say he's probably the best adc top lane currently.

On probuilds there are currently more lucian top games in the last day than quinn games total in the last 5.

Mizaya1 votes

I feel that Vayne especially is a situational pick, as I often get people picking Vayne top and then getting bullied by the enemy jungler, then acting surprised as if they didn't expect that. As for Lucian, I'm not a fan of having him mid or top in my games either. But KR has always been better at Lucian for whatever reason.

ai wo1 votes

Regardless of viability, people should be allowed to play whatever they want wherever they want. New metas and champion picks are only discovered through these means and the game is only here to have fun. Just let people have fun.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

The meta-slave in this person is high af.

Galacius1 votes

You know... the more I go through this thread the more I realize the OP is insulting and baiting people. There's no discussion here and only the OP making false reports on other users. For that reason, I am locking this thread and going to give the OP an official warning. Refrain from making bait threads in the future.

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